2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

This is Oklahoma and Alabama Jalen.   He and the coaches need to come together right now.  I believe it is possible to see him get better, but last year's standard may be too high to expect.  He seems like a guy who knows he has to get better. 

He knows he has to get better and when he says that every week I believe that he means it. He takes accountability and he takes rresponsibility. The concern here is he just doesn’t have the mental ability to overcome these issues. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He knows he has to get better and when he says that every week I believe that he means it. He takes accountability and he takes rresponsibility. The concern here is he just doesn’t have the mental ability to overcome these issues. 

He has some limitations as a traditional NFL QB.  Nothing that we are seeing now is different than his college appraisals coming out.  He had a great year last year, but that was a little bit of an aberration.  I think its more important to see those around him - coaches and players - get better to help him out.  I'm more concerned about the OC and how the defense is playing, personally.

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

He has some limitations as a traditional NFL QB.  Nothing that we are seeing now is different than his college appraisals coming out.  He had a great year last year, but that was a little bit of an aberration.  I think its more important to see those around him - coaches and players - get better to help him out.  I'm more concerned about the OC and how the defense is playing, personally.

The concern for me though is that this OL is very likely going to be worse next year. The RB situation will be yet another merry go round. And whilst we need a new OC that’s more change.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Jesus god, some of you mf'ers were still pulling for Wentz when he was actively forcing a trade after getting Doug fired, now you're ****ing about Hurts contract after 3 bad games, get the F out.

Wentz needed to go, too. Both can be true. I'll say there's just a tiny difference between Jalen Reagor, John Hightower and Travis Fulgham compared to AJ Brown, Smith and Watkins/Julio/Oz.

Also Hurts has only had 3 good games this season, you have it backwards.

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

 Nothing that we are seeing now is different than his college appraisals coming out.  

His accuracy the last two seasons is way beyond what the scouting reports said was possible with him.

MVP… more like LVP. He’s not even the MVP of his own team.

Meh, I don't think Hurts is the main problem. Sure, he's got some limitations as a passer in that he'll never be a Mahomes/Aaron Rodgers type dropping perfect dimes all over the field off three-step drops, but I think with decent playcalling, he's a good enough player to win a SB. Hell, we came within a couple of plays last year of winning it all. The bigger problem is the lack of creativity on offense. I mean, how many times do you need to throw quick receiver screens that go for negative yardage, nearly get picked off, and get your offensive weapons blown up at the line of scrimmage before you stop using them? It's insane. We have enough talent on offense that we should never get shut down by a putrid Seahawks defense. 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He knows he has to get better and when he says that every week I believe that he means it. He takes accountability and he takes rresponsibility.

Funniest thing I've read all morning

I think its time to bench Hurts. He isn't seeing the field and its not getting any better. Obviously part of this can be attributed to the play calling but I think its time to find out if it is indeed the play calling or if its Hurts. I don't think anyone is going to yell at him if he hits open guys and not throws deep. 

I think AR had a saying sometimes you take a step back to move a mile forward and I believe its that time. McNabb was benched and then he came back out on fire. I think its time to do the same thing with Hurts. We have a few bad teams coming up and honestly at this point it doesn't matter if we are #2 or #5 because the way we are playing we are one and done anyways. If we want to have a spark, this might be the way to go because whats the point of making it to playoffs and then lose like the cowboys.

Hurts turned it over twice, he has regressed this year for sure. Actually the whole team has regressed. Why is Quez still on the team?  He could have prevented one INT with a little effort. Regardless, the D didn't force one turnover to a backup QB and gave up the long TD at the end to seal the Loss. At this point they are at best an average team. If they lost the next 3 games I wouldn't be surprised at this point. 49rs unless injuries occur are going to have a cakewalk to the SB.

He's not getting benched, but he has regressed and his field vision and decision making, at times, is AWFUL.

The whole team, right now, and Coaches, SUCK.

One and done in the playoffs. Lose to TB or NO.

6 minutes ago, GreenMachine said:

Hurts turned it over twice, he has regressed this year for sure. Actually the whole team has regressed. Why is Quez still on the team?  He could have prevented one INT with a little effort. Regardless, the D didn't force one turnover to a backup QB and gave up the long TD at the end to seal the Loss. At this point they are at best an average team. If they lost the next 3 games I wouldn't be surprised at this point. 49rs unless injuries occur are going to have a cakewalk to the SB.

Because any time he has a little bit of contact he panics and ishes the bed. It should have been a penalty for pass interference, but he gives up on the play instead and doesn't play to the whistle. 

Hurts was favourite to win the MVP 3 weeks ago, anyone that thinks they are benching him is delusional. He gives them the best chance to win each week and it isn't even a question 

Benching Hurts wouldn't improve the offensive scheme and then, Mariota. 

This is my favorite part of being an Eagles fan.

5 minutes ago, Erie said:

Benching Hurts wouldn't improve the offensive scheme and then, Mariota. 

Its a short term loss for a longer term gain. Perhaps having him sit will allows him to see the field better and understand the concepts better. 

Also it will be a kick in the rear for the rest of the team. We need a spark at this point. Can't do the same thing week in and week out and expect different results. 

10 hours ago, T-1000 said:

I'm a Hurts guy but his decision making has taken a major step backwards. Trusting Quez Watkins to make a play on a deep ball when they were driving and on the verge of field goal range was just flat out stupid. So was the last play of the game. They only needed 15-20 yards for a legit chance at a game tying field goal and he chucks it up deep into double coverage. I just don't understand how a guy can go from looking so smart one year to looking like his football IQ is a serious concern.

Trusting him to make a play on a ball that was badly underthrown?

There are issues ranging from small to medium to large, and I think the largest issue is Siri and BJ game planning, play design and play calling.  While they have made some smaller adjustments like adding more motion pre-snap, and mixing in some more runs and being committed to the run on certain drives, they then abandon the run and force deep passes to AJ in triple coverage and keep forcing designed QB runs.  When your QB is so severely ill that he flies separate and almost doesn't play, you then run him to death?  The 1st play of the game was a designed QB run. It's like they are trying too hard to show he's fine.  Hurts had some great throws from the pocket and Aikman shared a stat that Hurts leads the league in completion percentage from the pocket.  Yet they keep running him.

The offense has great weapons that aren't utilized properly.  This offense should be scoring 30+ points a game, making it easier on the defense.  They should be running to both RBs with a lot more carries and mixing up the type of run plays.  They should use more short quick passes and RB screens or check downs.  Siri has said repeatedly they coach Hurts to specifically not go through extra reads, they want him to target their top 3.  They don't even care that their backup TEs are only blockers and not pass catchers.  That's coaching.

Complaining about cliche answers in a press conference is peak TATER.  The overreaction and emotional crying and calling him smug and hating him because he...says the right things to the media?  Grow up.

1 hour ago, Soumak said:

I think its time to bench Hurts. He isn't seeing the field and its not getting any better. Obviously part of this can be attributed to the play calling but I think its time to find out if it is indeed the play calling or if its Hurts. I don't think anyone is going to yell at him if he hits open guys and not throws deep. 

I think AR had a saying sometimes you take a step back to move a mile forward and I believe its that time. McNabb was benched and then he came back out on fire. I think its time to do the same thing with Hurts. We have a few bad teams coming up and honestly at this point it doesn't matter if we are #2 or #5 because the way we are playing we are one and done anyways. If we want to have a spark, this might be the way to go because whats the point of making it to playoffs and then lose like the cowboys.

Bench a 25 year old QB who just got a massive long term contract who is coming off a SB appearance and is currently 10-4? Sounds plausible. 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Complaining about cliche answers in a press conference is peak TATER.  The overreaction and emotional crying and calling him smug and hating him because he...says the right things to the media?  Grow up.

 Shhh, let them go. This is part of the grieving process. We still haven't reached the bargaining phase. 

18 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Bench a 25 year old QB who just got a massive long term contract who is coming off a SB appearance and is currently 10-4? Sounds plausible. 

I think that shows the team that you care about performance over plays and their contracts. if you don't play well you get benched. doesn't matter if you are a franchise qb or an undrafted free agent. perhaps this will create the spark that they need. they can't keep throwing Hurts out there and having him make the same mistakes week in and week out. 

the other option is to replace the OC.

So you think Marcus Mariota, a guy that was benched for Ridder and then proceeded to quit on his team, is going to give you a better chance than your 25 year old franchise QB, MVP runner up and the guy that was favorite for the award 3 weeks ago? The same guy that has played through injury and illness at various stages of the year and lead some huge comeback wins? 

1 minute ago, Soumak said:

I think that shows the team that you care about performance over plays and their contracts. if you don't play well you get benched. doesn't matter if you are a franchise qb or an undrafted free agent. perhaps this will create the spark that they need. they can't keep throwing Hurts out there and having him make the same mistakes week in and week out. 

the other option is to replace the OC.

Yeah, I think that kinda sends the opposite message to the team. Benching and publicly humiliating the face of the franchise for a few bad games is far more likely to cause a mutiny than inspire the rest of the team. Hurts is beloved in that locker room. Plus it's not like we have a Bledsoe/Brady situation on the bench. Starting Mariota would be a massive downgrade. 

I agree with getting rid of Brian Johnson. I'd be happy to see him go mid-week. He's been awful. If Desai can get put into the box, I don't see why they shouldn't do that with Johnson as well. Time to officially admit we didn't make the right choices with either of our coordinator openings this offseason. 

Just now, Kz! said:

Yeah, I think that kinda sends the opposite message to the team. Benching and publicly humiliating the face of the franchise for a few bad games is far more likely to cause a mutiny than inspire the rest of the team. Hurts is beloved in that locker room. Plus it's not like we have a Bledsoe/Brady situation on the bench. Starting Mariota would be a massive downgrade. 

I agree with getting rid of Brian Johnson. I'd be happy to see him go mid-week. He's been awful. If Desai can get put into the box, I don't see why they shouldn't do that with Johnson as well. Time to officially admit we didn't make the right choices with either of our coordinator openings this offseason. 

They don't have a ready made replacement sitting there ready to go. Sirianni won't take over play calling duties either

8 minutes ago, Soumak said:

I think that shows the team that you care about performance over plays and their contracts. if you don't play well you get benched. doesn't matter if you are a franchise qb or an undrafted free agent. perhaps this will create the spark that they need. they can't keep throwing Hurts out there and having him make the same mistakes week in and week out. 

the other option is to replace the OC.

Hurts has regressed somewhat yes.  He's also had a knee injury half the year and was so severely ill the last few days he didn't travel with the team and was a game time decision to even play.

Had Mariota played last night and stunk up the field all of you would be wanting Hurts in there.

Siri and BJ are ruining this offense potential.  They have a loaded offensive roster and should be dominating, but their play design, game plan and play calling are holding them back.  They tell Hurts specifically NOT to go through reads to other receivers just force it to Brown, Smitty or Goedert. They don't even have a pass catching TE as a backup, if Goedert is out there is no plan to throw to a TE.  They're calling too many designed QB runs.  

Steichen is sorely missed.