10 hours ago, VeeMak said:

I didn’t predict his future performance. Pointed out that crowning him in training camp is foolish (see Exhibit A: Sam Bradford).   How about YOU wait and see before you foolishly translate training camp heroics into a Lombardi trophy. 

You dopes have crowned him as stealing money. I just pointed out he’s done more in his first four years as a starter than the majority of other Eagles quarterbacks before him. So what happens if he shows you clowns up again? Do you run and hide and rear your ugly heads the first time he throws an interception again? 

16 hours ago, Erie said:

It's absolutely fair to debate whether he regressed or played injured while confined to a simplistic scheme. It's fair to wonder if Howie extended him too soon. Or to wonder if the camp hype will evaporate as soon as the blitzing packages are unleashed week one. 

I have no problem having any of those debates.

Agreeing with BRKMSN, the title of this stupid thread implies that the issue is a lack of football character on the part of Hurts. That's simply not on the table. 

Just like with Wentz, Howie struck at the right time. Also just like with Wentz if Howie needs to get out of the contract I’m sure he will do an excellent job of it. Have you seen the contracts signed since Jalen was signed? They’re flat out atrocious especially Daniel Jones and that contract. 

"According to ESPN's Tim McManus and Jeremy Fowler, multiple sources said the relationship between Sirianni and Hurts was strained with one calling it "fractured" and "unhealthy."

The Eagles started last season 10-1, but they lost five of their final six games to finish 11-6 and fell short of an NFC East title. They were also crushed 32-9 by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the NFC Wild Card Round of the playoffs.”

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10131026-nfl-rumors-jalen-hurts-nick-sirianni-had-unhealthy-relationship-in-2023-season.amp.html
 

They rode on a cart together recently so it’s fine…

13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

You dopes have crowned him as stealing money. I just pointed out he’s done more in his first four years as a starter than the majority of other Eagles quarterbacks before him. So what happens if he shows you clowns up again? Do you run and hide and rear your ugly heads the first time he throws an interception again? 

Nope, we gladly eat crow and praise the man when he deserves it…as I have gladly gotten on here and eaten crow when I was wrong in the past.  As for you calling me a dope…go F your self. You fanboys are all the same.  

6 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Nope, we gladly eat crow and praise the man when he deserves it…as I have gladly gotten on here and eaten crow when I was wrong in the past.  As for you calling me a dope…go F your self. You fanboys are all the same.  

Well then if you claim that you would eat crow then you’re no different than me, because I will criticize and praise any player if they deserve it. Funny how in your feelings you got when you’re the clown who started the mud slinging. Go back into your hate Jalen because… hole that you climbed out of. 

Baller move

 

Not that Wink was going to tell him anything he didn't already know.... Just to reach out to an opposing coach for pointers what to look out for and go to work on it, I respect.

32-9 v the Bucs

Jalen was horrible

Gave up a safety in a playoff game

Over/ under

12 ints

7 fumbles

4 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

32-9 v the Bucs

Jalen was horrible

Gave up a safety in a playoff game

Bucs own qb1. Yea he won during the regular season. Got owned in both PO games

3 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Nope, we gladly eat crow and praise the man when he deserves it…as I have gladly gotten on here and eaten crow when I was wrong in the past.  As for you calling me a dope…go F your self. You fanboys are all the same.  

First season- he sucked deek

Second season- I ate crow

Third season- he regressed and sucked deek again. Decided he wasn't going to listen to his HC anymore because his butt buddy became OC

Fourth season- TBD 

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

First season- he sucked deek

Second season- I ate crow

Third season- he regressed and sucked deek again. Decided he wasn't going to listen to his HC anymore because his butt buddy became OC

Fourth season- TBD 

Exactly.  Got paid and thought he owned the team.  

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

First season- he sucked deek

Second season- I ate crow

Third season- he regressed and sucked deek again. Decided he wasn't going to listen to his HC anymore because his butt buddy became OC

Fourth season- TBD 

The 2023 season creates the whole conversation around him. Number wise he has never actually has been wildly successful,  but he wins...a lot.  Something fell apart last year and now the argument against his numbers become very easy to make. Most decent qbs with Tua skill sets and above with this team should be able to throw for 4300 30+ tds a year. His saving grace has been the 1yard td push into the end zone for the last few years. I believe in the air he was outside the top ten in about every category.  This year he should be able to break into the top ten in a few plus return to winning later in the year or this conversation will continue into next year 

What really makes Jalen such a difficult qb for this fan base to agree upon is the difference between 22 and 23 is almost nothing (minus interceptions) but ones considered a great season and the other is a bust

22) 3701 22 6  vs 23) 3858 23 15

For some they look at that and can justify that his bad season was overblown,  for others...he hasn't actually had a great season yet

 

I'm getting to the point...just keep getting us to the playoffs and I'll leave him alone.  I wad a mcnabb fan and he wasn't always the best, but we were always contending

40 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Exactly.  Got paid and thought he owned the team.  

Got paid and was careless with the ball, mechanics sucked, and thought he could overrule the playcalling

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

The 2023 season creates the whole conversation around him. Number wise he has never actually has been wildly successful,  but he wins...a lot.  Something fell apart last year and now the argument against his numbers become very easy to make. Most decent qbs with Tua skill sets and above with this team should be able to throw for 4300 30+ tds a year. His saving grace has been the 1yard td push into the end zone for the last few years. I believe in the air he was outside the top ten in about every category.  This year he should be able to break into the top ten in a few plus return to winning later in the year or this conversation will continue into next year 

This offense should be electric in the passing game with 2 of the best WR in the game and a top 10 TE. Hopefully Moore's offense helps that

19 minutes ago, Godfather said:

This offense should be electric in the passing game with 2 of the best WR in the game and a top 10 TE. Hopefully Moore's offense helps that

I agree and feel it's been underwhelming if you also include the line in front of him. The team has had success and I guess that's what we want in the end. I feel a more talented passer would have set Philly records back to back seasons, but hard to win more than we did in 22

54 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

What really makes Jalen such a difficult qb for this fan base to agree upon is the difference between 22 and 23 is almost nothing (minus interceptions) but ones considered a great season and the other is a bust

22) 3701 22 6  vs 23) 3858 23 15

For some they look at that and can justify that his bad season was overblown,  for others...he hasn't actually had a great season yet

 

I'm getting to the point...just keep getting us to the playoffs and I'll leave him alone.  I wad a mcnabb fan and he wasn't always the best, but we were always contending

I feel like the difference between 2022 and 2023 was that we imposed our will on people offensively in 2022. Last season, it just never seemed to happen. In 2022, when they keyed on the run, we beat them with the pass and vice versa. Last year, it seemed when one phase struggled, we just kept forcing it instead of making adjustments. 

Personally I thought that there seemed to be an obvious mandate put in for Hurts to protect himself as a runner. He wasn't giving himself up often in 2022, but last season is was not the same. I understand that the team wanted to protect their investment, but instead of replacing the read option with something else, they just ran it less effectively because when Jalen made the read to keep it, he would often slide early instead of trying to break the tackle attempt of the initial defender. If Hurts wasn't going to be allowed to actually run like he did in 2022, then they should have added some other new element to the offense and just scrapped the read option from normal game plans.

Obviously Hurts had the knee issue in week 7 that limited him as a runner for much of the remaining schedule, but he seemed perfectly healthy at the beginning of the season but just appeared to be avoiding many hits by giving himself up.

But Hurts needs to cut down on the turnovers and that alone will give the offense more opportunities. 

The difference between 2022 and 23 is the HC kept a predictable offense and refused to allow the coordinator and the quarterback to make any changes. The same went for that idiot Chip Kelly when his Nick Foles led offense led him to have one of the franchise’s best seasons to the following season him being close to mediocre. Teams adapt to the playing styles of teams and the HC and his offense needs to make adjustments to those adaptations. We have literally witnessed this same stupidity before. 

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I feel like the difference between 2022 and 2023 was that we imposed our will on people offensively in 2022. Last season, it just never seemed to happen. In 2022, when they keyed on the run, we beat them with the pass and vice versa. Last year, it seemed when one phase struggled, we just kept forcing it instead of making adjustments. 

Personally I thought that there seemed to be an obvious mandate put in for Hurts to protect himself as a runner. He wasn't giving himself up often in 2022, but last season is was not the same. I understand that the team wanted to protect their investment, but instead of replacing the read option with something else, they just ran it less effectively because when Jalen made the read to keep it, he would often slide early instead of trying to break the tackle attempt of the initial defender. If Hurts wasn't going to be allowed to actually run like he did in 2022, then they should have added some other new element to the offense and just scrapped the read option from normal game plans.

Obviously Hurts had the knee issue in week 7 that limited him as a runner for much of the remaining schedule, but he seemed perfectly healthy at the beginning of the season but just appeared to be avoiding many hits by giving himself up.

But Hurts needs to cut down on the turnovers and that alone will give the offense more opportunities. 

 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

The difference between 2022 and 23 is the HC kept a predictable offense and refused to allow the coordinator and the quarterback to make any changes. The same went for that idiot Chip Kelly when his Nick Foles led offense led him to have one of the franchise’s best seasons to the following season him being close to mediocre. Teams adapt to the playing styles of teams and the HC and his offense needs to make adjustments to those adaptations. We have literally witnessed this same stupidity before. 

Seem both have it as coaching errors and a changed mindset on Hurts running. I feel I'd rather have prime hurts for 3-4  more years than 8-10 years of whatever last year was. Kelly's offense maybe can teach him that middle ground that has been missing from his game from the beginning 

6 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

 

Seem both have it as coaching errors and a changed mindset on Hurts running. I feel I'd rather have prime hurts for 3-4  more years than 8-10 years of whatever last year was. Kelly's offense maybe can teach him that middle ground that has been missing from his game from the beginning 

Just some of the mistakes from last season. The Eagles ran these designed QB draws that were highly predictable and got Hurts just blasted almost every time and it was obvious he wasn’t running well for most of last season. They were running these long deep routes with few check downs. Their snap was highly predictable often putting their pass rush’s defense in a bad spot before the play even started. They never adjusted well to the blitz heck they never even used motion to try and get the defense to show where the blitz was coming from. The coaches never made adjustments. It was so bad players were basically going rouge on the field. Completely unacceptable. 

17 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just some of the mistakes from last season. The Eagles ran these designed QB draws that were highly predictable and got Hurts just blasted almost every time and it was obvious he wasn’t running well for most of last season. They were running these long deep routes with few check downs. Their snap was highly predictable often putting their pass rush’s defense in a bad spot before the play even started. They never adjusted well to the blitz heck they never even used motion to try and get the defense to show where the blitz was coming from. The coaches never made adjustments. It was so bad players were basically going rouge on the field. Completely unacceptable. 

Part of me wondered how much was bad design, how much was injury,  how much was fear of getting injured with new contract, and how much was the league adjusting. Unlike most mobile qbs, hurts doesn't have dynamic speed like Vick, Jackson, Cunningham types so I'm guessing it's easier to contain if the rest of the offensive scheme is simple.

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

Part of me wondered how much was bad design, how much was injury,  how much was fear of getting injured with new contract, and how much was the league adjusting. Unlike most mobile qbs, hurts doesn't have dynamic speed like Vick, Jackson, Cunningham types so I'm guessing it's easier to contain if the rest of the offensive scheme is simple.

The best news I hear from this camp is that Hurts is getting the ball out quickly on short passes. The offense no longer relying on long developing plays that Jalen is bailing out on to run appears to be over. Of course it all has to play out on the field though. We shall see. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The best news I hear from this camp is that Hurts is getting the ball out quickly on short passes. The offense no longer relying on long developing plays that Jalen is bailing out on to run appears to be over. Of course it all has to play out on the field though. We shall see. 

It's why we play the games. Can't happen soon enough.  

Well after watching QB2 and QB3 I don’t think QB1 has to worry about either of those two guys taking his job. 

37 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well after watching QB2 and QB3 I don’t think QB1 has to worry about either of those two guys taking his job. 

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