On 8/7/2024 at 2:57 PM, toolg said:

Baller move

 

Not that Wink was going to tell him anything he didn't already know.... Just to reach out to an opposing coach for pointers what to look out for and go to work on it, I respect.

Hopefully he told him to not always roll to the right when there's pressure

On 8/7/2024 at 8:23 PM, Shalodeep said:

I agree and feel it's been underwhelming if you also include the line in front of him. The team has had success and I guess that's what we want in the end. I feel a more talented passer would have set Philly records back to back seasons, but hard to win more than we did in 22

He needs to stay in the pocket until absolutely necessary to leave

55 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

He's not done. I think Hurts will go back to his 2022 form/success this year.  He has a ton of offensive talent around him and a proven OC.  Offensively, this team can go to the Super Bowl and he would be among the best to play here instantly. 

I'm just not sure that the defense is good enough to support the offense.

Yup. Too much talent on offense for the team not to score a lot

12 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

He's not done. I think Hurts will go back to his 2022 form/success this year.  He has a ton of offensive talent around him and a proven OC.  Offensively, this team can go to the Super Bowl and he would be among the best to play here instantly. 

I'm just not sure that the defense is good enough to support the offense.

 

Thank you for saying this.  Everyone has a lot to say about Jalen and the O when the reality is it's the Defense that is our major issue to clean up this season.  

35 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

 

Thank you for saying this.  Everyone has a lot to say about Jalen and the O when the reality is it's the Defense that is our major issue to clean up this season.  

Hard to ignore the increase in turnover last year, but it was an outlier season for him. It is odd he has 9 fumbles (but not lost) a year.

4 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Hard to ignore the increase in turnover last year, but it was an outlier season for him. It is odd he has 9 fumbles (but not lost) a year.

 

Death, Taxes and Jalen having 9 Fumbles.  I think the INTS will come down but it seems he's a lock for 9 fumbles, lol.  Honestly some of those INT'S last year were very fluky and not his fault. 

2 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

 

Death, Taxes and Jalen having 9 Fumbles.  I think the INTS will come down but it seems he's a lock for 9 fumbles, lol.  Honestly some of those INT'S last year were very fluky and not his fault. 

Almost any qb can make that argument each year. Rarely does an interception purely come from a bad pass or bad decision. Usually a wrong/bad route or strange bounce is involved

8 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

 

Thank you for saying this.  Everyone has a lot to say about Jalen and the O when the reality is it's the Defense that is our major issue to clean up this season.  

Offense should be able to outscore in shootouts if the defense fails though

On 8/11/2024 at 4:38 PM, Shalodeep said:

Again, the way the team is schemed, I don't think more thank 3-4 could do better. If the team was ran more traditional, would be a few more, but I doubt more than 10-12. He belongs in this league and he is in the top 33%. Any argument against that is in bad faith at this point 

It’s bad something and I’ve seen guy’s supposedly run schemes they were perfect for and still fail. The best person to run Chip Kelly’s zone read offense in the pros was Nick Foles and he’s not supposed to fit that at all. It’s more than scheme after all Pickett failed in a pro style offense. 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s bad something and I’ve seen guy’s supposedly run schemes they were perfect for and still fail. The best person to run Chip Kelly’s zone read offense in the pros was Nick Foles and he’s not supposed to fit that at all. It’s more than scheme after all Pickett failed in a pro style offense. 

I still see anything less than thinking hurts is perfect doesn't sit well with you

21 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I still see anything less than thinking hurts is perfect doesn't sit well with you

Either you haven't read all his posts on the topic or are choosing to ignore some of what he has said. Please show us a post where he said such a thing. He expresses criticisms and even doubts with Hurts at times. Try again ...

8 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

I still see anything less than thinking hurts is perfect doesn't sit well with you

I’m not trying to tell you Hurts is the perfect quarterback nor am I trying to tell you he isn’t without his flaws, but the group that are talking about him stealing money or that he’s done are incorrect. I’m also stating that some assume anyone can do what Jalen does, but in reality there are few quarterbacks in Eagles history who have had as good of a start to their career than Jalen and none of the quarterbacks who have played for this HC have been as good. Now Jalen is in a new system with a new OC, so the whole idea that it’s just the system doesn’t work anymore so we shall see how well he plays in it. Just so you know I don’t really consider myself to be one of Jalen’s biggest fans and I still think he has much to prove. 

20 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

 

Thank you for saying this.  Everyone has a lot to say about Jalen and the O when the reality is it's the Defense that is our major issue to clean up this season.  

Got to admit watching most of the starting defense against the Ravens backups wasn’t that impressive. There were some flashes, but they did let them move the football. It’s early obviously so it’s way too soon to lay judgment. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Got to admit watching most of the starting defense against the Ravens backups wasn’t that impressive. There were some flashes, but they did let them move the football. It’s early obviously so it’s way too soon to lay judgment. 

It's the same kind of defense as Gannons bend but don't break . So yeah teams are going to move the ball on this defense between the 20's. The difference is Vic will hold guys accountable and not put up with any BS. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m not trying to tell you Hurts is the perfect quarterback nor am I trying to tell you he isn’t without his flaws, but the group that are talking about him stealing money or that he’s done are incorrect. I’m also stating that some assume anyone can do what Jalen does, but in reality there are few quarterbacks in Eagles history who have had as good of a start to their career than Jalen and none of the quarterbacks who have played for this HC have been as good. Now Jalen is in a new system with a new OC, so the whole idea that it’s just the system doesn’t work anymore so we shall see how well he plays in it. Just so you know I don’t really consider myself to be one of Jalen’s biggest fans and I still think he has much to prove. 

Definitely isn't stealing money.  When he's on, he's between 4-8th best in league, when he's not 8th-12th... so around 8th... top 25% in the world at what he does, and had an OC who got fired, and the OC before that one took Jalen to the SB and then almost took jalens back up to the playoffs last year and got him a starting gig for the Raiders. I'd say let him work with Moore and see if he can add an EFFECTIVE screen game, and accept the 5 yard dump as a successful play.  A 7/10 arm is just as effect as a 10/10 arm making the right decisions. 

11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Either you haven't read all his posts on the topic or are choosing to ignore some of what he has said. Please show us a post where he said such a thing. He expresses criticisms and even doubts with Hurts at times. Try again ...

Oh calm down. I can admit I lost track of topic for a second.  Convo has been civil. I'm just ready for some football. Got my little girl her first eagles gear, she learned go eagles, and I actually put 100 down on Jalen for mvp because I think with this scheme and the talent, he has a legit shot  (and +1600 ain't bad either). At the end of the day we all love this damn team and this is all for fun

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Got to admit watching most of the starting defense against the Ravens backups wasn’t that impressive. There were some flashes, but they did let them move the football. It’s early obviously so it’s way too soon to lay judgment. 

If it can't stop the run, it's a truly useless defense.  Big boys up front need to be a wall

17 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Offense should be able to outscore in shootouts if the defense fails though

Oh don't get it twisted.  I want 31 PPG this year period.  We have way to many weapons.   But with us FINALLY getting Fangio, I expect the Defense to be vastly improved over last year.  Fangio will not let it get out of control like last year.  

1 hour ago, KINGnabb said:

Oh don't get it twisted.  I want 31 PPG this year period.  We have way to many weapons.   But with us FINALLY getting Fangio, I expect the Defense to be vastly improved over last year.  Fangio will not let it get out of control like last year.  

Do you feel with the lack of any real impact lb and proven impact edge rusher, that his scheme can be successful enough to bail the offense out on rough days? I feel the defense will take about half the season to find it's groove. The offense is talented enough to guess it's way into some wins until then 

4 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Definitely isn't stealing money.  When he's on, he's between 4-8th best in league, when he's not 8th-12th... so around 8th... top 25% in the world at what he does, and had an OC who got fired, and the OC before that one took Jalen to the SB and then almost took jalens back up to the playoffs last year and got him a starting gig for the Raiders. I'd say let him work with Moore and see if he can add an EFFECTIVE screen game, and accept the 5 yard dump as a successful play.  A 7/10 arm is just as effect as a 10/10 arm making the right decisions. 

It’s fair to say Hurts is in the top 15. He’s been up and down in his career. He’s shown he can be elite and he’s also shown when he’s careless with the ball he can really set the team back. Far too many turnovers for my liking last season. I am a bit concerned with him having yet another new OC. Seems like the carousel never stops.

5 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It's the same kind of defense as Gannons bend but don't break . So yeah teams are going to move the ball on this defense between the 20's. The difference is Vic will hold guys accountable and not put up with any BS. 

Gannon’s defense was hated in these parts. 😂 Still was better than the debacle from last season though. I know they were playing vanilla and mostly just wanted to get guys some work. Just wanted to see them be a little more dominant than they showed. 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

Do you feel with the lack of any real impact lb and proven impact edge rusher, that his scheme can be successful enough to bail the offense out on rough days? I feel the defense will take about half the season to find its groove. The offense is talented enough to guess it's way into some wins until then 

Learning curve will be relatively steep. The back of the defense is complex.  Front four will settle in quicker.   It will take the vets a few games to settle in and stop thinking, the younger players will take longer.  The rookies’ heads will probably be spinning for a while.  
 

The offense will need to carry the team for a few weeks IMO.  More vets on offense, Kellen Moore is a significant upgrade, and I am sure he will be looking to help a young defense by winning TOP.  Hopefully, the new look on offense will sustain the team for a while as teams will start dissecting film and find ways to attack, thus giving time for the players to learn Fangio’s system (and for him to learn who he can trust) before defenses catch up.  Hurts HAS to secure the ball because giving offenses a short field with a young defense learning a complex new system could sink this team early in the season.  
 

On a side note, Elliot needs to get the shanks out of his system here in preseason.  There are likely going to be a lot of 1 possession games, even if both offense AND defense are playing great from the jump.  

15 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Learning curve will be relatively steep. The back of the defense is complex.  Front four will settle in quicker.   It will take the vets a few games to settle in and stop thinking, the younger players will take longer.  The rookies’ heads will probably be spinning for a while.  
 

The offense will need to carry the team for a few weeks IMO.  More vets on offense, Kellen Moore is a significant upgrade, and I am sure he will be looking to help a young defense by winning TOP.  Hopefully, the new look on offense will sustain the team for a while as teams will start dissecting film and find ways to attack, thus giving time for the players to learn Fangio’s system (and for him to learn who he can trust) before defenses catch up.  Hurts HAS to secure the ball because giving offenses a short field with a young defense learning a complex new system could sink this team early in the season.  
 

On a side note, Elliot needs to get the shanks out of his system here in preseason.  There are likely going to be a lot of 1 possession games, even if both offense AND defense are playing great from the jump.  

My fear is the run D isn't going to allow us to control TOP the way we hope, and we lose our patience on offense and we make the mistake before the opponent does. That may just be the stink of the second half of last season lingering around.

38 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Gannon’s defense was hated in these parts. 😂 Still was better than the debacle from last season though. I know they were playing vanilla and mostly just wanted to get guys some work. Just wanted to see them be a little more dominant than they showed. 

I never understood the hate lol the team played their ass off for him and we were in the qbs lap every other snap. Was fun times . People want perfection

9 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I never understood the hate lol the team played their ass off for him and we were in the qbs lap every other snap. Was fun times . People want perfection

They got a lot of sacks, but tbh, they really benefitted from the offense getting leads and forcing the opponent to be one dimensional.   They were objectively better than last year's defense, but I never thought they were as good as they were hyped up to be.   

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

They got a lot of sacks, but tbh, they really benefitted from the offense getting leads and forcing the opponent to be one dimensional.   They were objectively better than last year's defense, but I never thought they were as good as they were hyped up to be.   

They also were nowhere near as bad as the fanbase acts. Dude got one of thirty two available jobs in the world from the DC position in an offensive league 

 

40 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

They also were nowhere near as bad as the fanbase acts. Dude got one of thirty two available jobs in the world from the DC position in an offensive league 

 

That's the case with our fanbase in general - the overly critical minority is always louder.    I never hated Gannon, but I was never a huge fan either - also, he got that position based on the sacks and back to back blowouts we had in the playoffs. We'll see if he lasts more than 5 seasons.  I believe some of the defensive staff involved in the success we had went to Baltimore, and they ended up having the same success last year, while we regressed. So it makes me question who was actually more influential?