20 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Didn't know we were discussing coaches lol if that goal post is being moved to coaches....neither XD 

Coaches matter. Jalen’s carrying his. By the way your guy just lost (after completing only 9 passes)  so maybe 30 teams aren’t clamoring for him after all. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Coaches matter. Jalen’s carrying his. By the way your guy just lost (after completing only 9 passes)  so maybe 30 teams aren’t clamoring for him after all. 

Pretty sure if he went on the market, this game wouldn't be the determining factor lol I get it though. It's the bye week, washington got another game up, and for the first time since the end of the 2021 season, jalen is being questioned. Do what ya gotta do to feel better about yourself. Questioning easily a top 2-3 qb in the league vs a dude slowly falling out the top 12 is a nice way to burn a sunday 

Oh, and if jalen is carrying nick, I say Howie is carrying jalen with this roster 

15 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Pretty sure he leads the league in turnovers since the beginning of 2023 and not since December 3rd.... also, this is pretty much the same team we are fielding. Offensive scheme has a little bit of motion now, but Jalen runs it the same and the defensive scheme is literally the same scheme lol we lost two of our leaders to retirement and our sack leader was replaced with a guy who has as many sacks as i have had sincw high school. so we may actually be worse 

Since the beginning of 2023, Hurts has 27 turnovers (20 last season). Josh Allen has 24 (22 last season), Mahomes has 22 (17 last season), Tua has 22, Lawrence has 22, Howell had 23 last season and hasn't played this year. 

Hypothetical question --- If Hurts over the next 10 games has the fewest turnovers among starting QBs in that 10 game span will people be posting QB comparisons of that span or will they be lumping the first 4 games into it ... or will they lump those and 2023's stats into it?

It all depends on the narrative. I would prefer in that situation, we compare Jalen's first 4 games to his next ten only to show improvement in protecting the ball, but fully understand that the 1st 4 games also counted this season (especially when compared to other QBs). But last season has absolutely nothing to do with this season and if you want to compare careers, then compare careers without cherry-picking a time span to fit a narrative. 

22 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

 for the first time since the end of the 2021 season, jalen is being questioned. 

LOL

33 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Pretty sure if he went on the market, this game wouldn't be the determining factor lol I get it though. It's the bye week, washington got another game up, and for the first time since the end of the 2021 season, jalen is being questioned. Do what ya gotta do to feel better about yourself. Questioning easily a top 2-3 qb in the league vs a dude slowly falling out the top 12 is a nice way to burn a sunday 

Do you foolishly think Jalen wouldn’t get opportunities if he was on the market too? Heck Garner Minshew gets opportunities and sucks. 😂

59 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Didn't know we were discussing coaches lol if that goal post is being moved to coaches....neither XD 

We weren't, he just made an all time stupid take and had no other retort.

Pretty common for him

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Do you foolishly think Jalen wouldn’t get opportunities if he was on the market too? Heck Garner Minshew gets opportunities and sucks. 😂

I didn't say he wouldn't lol 😆 you are really struggling today with these conversations. It's cool eazy. 😎 we good. 

39 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Since the beginning of 2023, Hurts has 27 turnovers (20 last season). Josh Allen has 24 (22 last season), Mahomes has 22 (17 last season), Tua has 22, Lawrence has 22, Howell had 23 last season and hasn't played this year. 

Hypothetical question --- If Hurts over the next 10 games has the fewest turnovers among starting QBs in that 10 game span will people be posting QB comparisons of that span or will they be lumping the first 4 games into it ... or will they lump those and 2023's stats into it?

It all depends on the narrative. I would prefer in that situation, we compare Jalen's first 4 games to his next ten only to show improvement in protecting the ball, but fully understand that the 1st 4 games also counted this season (especially when compared to other QBs). But last season has absolutely nothing to do with this season and if you want to compare careers, then compare careers without cherry-picking a time span to fit a narrative. 

So the ENTIRE thread is named about him getting paid and being done. He was paid before the 2023 season. That being the starting point to the conversation makes sense....

To your hypothetical, if he has the least amount of turnovers the next ten games, I feel that is a large enough sample size to make a valid point of a change in behavior. If jalen wasn't turning the ball over like he was last year,  I wouldn't be saying anything and consider last year an outlier just like Dak had that weird year. The fact we are now nearly a quarter of the season in and it has continued means it's not a coincidence, but a problem that hasn't been fixed.  

16 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I didn't say he wouldn't lol 😆 you are really struggling today with these conversations. It's cool eazy. 😎 we good. 

The idea that Jalen hasn’t been a vital part to the success of this team is ridiculous. Now we can all agree the man is indeed struggling right now, but keep it real. On top of that the Eagles had no other alternative but to give Jalen that contract just like the Giants gave that contract to Jones. Just like the Jags gave that money to Lawrence. That’s a part of doing business with quarterbacks in the NFL these days. It sucks, but it’s true. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The idea that Jalen hasn’t been a vital part to the success of this team is ridiculous. Now we can all agree the man is indeed struggling right now, but keep it real. On top of that the Eagles had no other alternative but to give Jalen that contract just like the Giants gave that contract to Jones. Just like the Jags gave that money to Lawrence. That’s a part of doing business with quarterbacks in the NFL these days. It sucks, but it’s true. 

I would of went through one more season, and definitely had quicker outs and definitely not had no trade clauses in the contract.  I don't think jalen is a JAG. I said and stand behind him being between 8-12th ranked qb when everyone is healthy, but i feel he will continue sliding down that list if his play doesn't turn around quickly.  Regardless of how he plays, he is the qb 2025 and 2026 unless a mid round qb brought in for backup comes in for injury and absolutely murders it, and I just don't see that happening.  Just watch the breakdown I posted earlier. It's some obvious things being missed. Even the bad receivers are wide open, but Jalen doesn't understand the simple route concepts in year 5. 

29 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

So the ENTIRE thread is named about him getting paid and being done. He was paid before the 2023 season. That being the starting point to the conversation makes sense....

To your hypothetical, if he has the least amount of turnovers the next ten games, I feel that is a large enough sample size to make a valid point of a change in behavior. If jalen wasn't turning the ball over like he was last year,  I wouldn't be saying anything and consider last year an outlier just like Dak had that weird year. The fact we are now nearly a quarter of the season in and it has continued means it's not a coincidence, but a problem that hasn't been fixed.  

The premise of this thread is stupid. Not all the discussion about Jalen within is, but the thread itself, the title, and the OP's claim are absurd. 

People are using this topic because that's the way this board works. They don't want 50 threads about the same player. But if you want to defend the claim that "Hurts got paid" and "is done" trying, competing, playing, etc... then let's hear your argument for that. I don't think any reputable poster on the EMB that is also a Hurts critic is trying to defend the OP's premise. They tend to be making other arguments and that's what we have been discussing. Some believe he has regressed, some believe he peaked in 2022, some believe that year was an outlier, etc... and may feel like the contract was a bad decision. But I haven't seen many people argue that he gave up now that he got his money. I mean, that's JaMarcus Russell's M.O. back when rookies potentially made more than vets. But you won't see teammates standing behind a player like that or coaches trusting their fate to such a loser.

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The premise of this thread is stupid. Not all the discussion about Jalen within is, but the thread itself, the title, and the OP's claim are absurd. 

People are using this topic because that's the way this board works. They don't want 50 threads about the same player. But if you want to defend the claim that "Hurts got paid" and "is done" trying, competing, playing, etc... then let's hear your argument for that. I don't think any reputable poster on the EMB that is also a Hurts critic is trying to defend the OP's premise. They tend to be making other arguments and that's what we have been discussing. Some believe he has regressed, some believe he peaked in 2022, some believe that year was an outlier, etc... and may feel like the contract was a bad decision. But I haven't seen many people argue that he gave up now that he got his money. I mean, that's JaMarcus Russell's M.O. back when rookies potentially made more than vets. But you won't see teammates standing behind a player like that or coaches trusting their fate to such a loser.

I don't think he's is lacking effort at all. I think his shortcomings have nothing to do with attitude, effort, film study,  gym time, leadership skills, or any other off the field thing you can think of.

I think a few things have occurred.

1) The style of play in 2022 doesn't work in 2024. Cutting the field in half and rpos have been way less effective since the superbowl just like the wildcat the following year once the league got film on it. If jalen had unique speed like Lamar or Daniels, he could still take the corner and get the first, but they are just waiting for him, and we have seen him caught from behind numerous times now, which wasn't the case before. You can argue that he hasn't lost speed, but film says something has changed with him physically.

2) As the Eagles kept trying to develop him as a QB, they kept changing the voice doing so at OC and Jalen has shown to be slow to trust others. This is the argument his defenders make about him unwilling to throw to other receivers so with that logic, it makes sense for him to struggle to hand his development off to a new person every off-season slowing his development down.

3) maybe...just maybe his football IQ isn't what was impressive,  but his on field instincts. I say this because he is struggling 5 years in to understand route concepts that some of the rookie qbs are taking advantage of THIS year. Jalen always seemed aware of the clock, his surroundings (unless in pocket post 22), when to throw it away, when to get out of bounds, when to get down so he always got praised for high football IQ, but QB fundamentals escape him like throwing across his body and setting his feet when there is no pursuit to deliver the deep ball.  

Jalen seems to be good at a lot of places, but not great anywhere. Good arm strength, good speed, overall good accuracy. I think leadership is a little overblown when he plays gargoyle on the bench vs communicating with coaches and teammates to figure out what's up. The two things that stand out that I don't know that can be fixed is that pocket awareness problem (the carson killer) and the slow process of the field (understanding route concepts and letting it go under 3.15 seconds).

Money hasn't ruined Jalen.  Jalen isn't ruined, it's just the league has caught up and it's up to him and the eagles to adjust. We can't add anymore weapons around the kid so its either play better or we try to eventually find someone who does. 

12 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Since the beginning of 2023, Hurts has 27 turnovers (20 last season). Josh Allen has 24 (22 last season), Mahomes has 22 (17 last season), Tua has 22, Lawrence has 22, Howell had 23 last season and hasn't played this year. 

Hypothetical question --- If Hurts over the next 10 games has the fewest turnovers among starting QBs in that 10 game span will people be posting QB comparisons of that span or will they be lumping the first 4 games into it ... or will they lump those and 2023's stats into it?

It all depends on the narrative. I would prefer in that situation, we compare Jalen's first 4 games to his next ten only to show improvement in protecting the ball, but fully understand that the 1st 4 games also counted this season (especially when compared to other QBs). But last season has absolutely nothing to do with this season and if you want to compare careers, then compare careers without cherry-picking a time span to fit a narrative. 

He’s thrown 22 interceptions in his last 23 starts after throwing 12 in his previous 25. It's bad. I do not see it changing.

52 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

1) The style of play in 2022 doesn't work in 2024. Cutting the field in half and rpos have been way less effective since the superbowl just like the wildcat the following year once the league got film on it. If jalen had unique speed like Lamar or Daniels, he could still take the corner and get the first, but they are just waiting for him, and we have seen him caught from behind numerous times now, which wasn't the case before. You can argue that he hasn't lost speed, but film says something has changed with him physically.

IMO, the only thing that has changed in his running style is the carefree attitude he had while on his rookie deal. Once the team committed the franchise QB $ investment, there was clearly a decree to protect himself and their investment. 

This is just from the 1st two quarters of the first game last season (first game after the extension):

This is what fans supposedly wanted, him to stop taking unnecessary hits as a runner. It's not something I argued in favor of. Now that he protects himself more, people think he lost what speed he had ...

But fans like you are confusing his self-preservation glide speed with the real Jalen:

 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

He’s thrown 22 interceptions in his last 23 starts after throwing 12 in his previous 25. It's bad. I do not see it changing.

I'd have to double check that claim (no time right now), but Jalen's last 23 starts would include the 2022 postseason where he threw 0 picks in 3 games. I mean ... do you see Mahomes' 19 regular season  picks since last season changing?

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

IMO, the only thing that has changed in his running style is the carefree attitude he had while on his rookie deal. Once the team committed the franchise QB $ investment, there was clearly a decree to protect himself and their investment. 

This is just from the 1st two quarters of the first game last season (first game after the extension):

This is what fans supposedly wanted, him to stop taking unnecessary hits as a runner. It's not something I argued in favor of. Now that he protects himself more, people think he lost what speed he had ...

But fans like you are confusing his self-preservation glide speed with the real Jalen:

 

Fans like me...not the experts who break it down and say something is obviously different. It may be him making executive decisions at this point to protect himself more, but that decision is making him way less effective. I've put up all the stats to defend the decline and that 2022 is an outlier. What you choose to do with that is up to you. I'm hoping for a stronger end of the season at this point point because I am an EAGLES fan.  

On 10/5/2024 at 10:46 PM, brkmsn said:

lol @ the perception he can't run anymore. 

He has still posted a faster speed than Lamar Jackson to date this season. Explain that ...

So, you are on record saying that Jalen is faster than Lamar Jackson?

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I'd have to double check that claim (no time right now), but Jalen's last 23 starts would include the 2022 postseason where he threw 0 picks in 3 games. I mean ... do you see Mahomes' 19 regular season  picks since last season changing?

Mahomes is one of the kind. His interceptions are high...but he is clutch when it comes to winning, even with average targets. Jalen needs everything to be perfect around him.

Jalen Hurts sucks

 

That is all

QB1 has accounted for 25 percent of red zone turnovers through week 5

 

42 minutes ago, Godfather said:

QB1 has accounted for 25 percent of red zone turnovers through week 5

 

and it took him only 4 games to do it 🤦‍♂️

10 hours ago, VeeMak said:

So, you are on record saying that Jalen is faster than Lamar Jackson?

No. I'm just stating that Jalen's 19.47 mph speed achieved on a run this season is a faster speed than Jackson has reached this season so far. 

If the two were to race, Jackson should win because he is quicker. I believe their combine 40 times should prove that much. But I'm just pointing out that Jalen can move when he wants to and the people claiming he's "slow" or "slower than he used to be" are just not paying attention to what he's doing. I feel like this year he's often running slower behind the LOS because he's trying to extend a pass play instead of fully committing to the run.

So before trying to put words in my mouth, read what I actually say and quote my actual quote instead of trying to claim I said something else. 

Watch Howie pull off a trade of Hurts and maneuver to land Arch Manning

Just pointing out that Hurts hasn't thrown an INT in his last 89 attempts. Hopefully he keeps that up.