October 6, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Shalodeep said: I wouldn't of paid either, but I know why they did it. For me personally until you have a few years showing you are that dude, you are proving it still. Howie wants to get ahead to save 3 million a year lol but they didn't need to pay him, they could have tried to trade him after thet big year. They had to see his limitations, but that would have been a gutsy call and I'm not sure we have the coaching staff to really coach up Jalen or someone else. so there's that as well.
October 6, 20242 yr Just now, DieselEagle said: but they didn't need to pay him, they could have tried to trade him after thet big year. They had to see his limitations, but that would have been a gutsy call and I'm not sure we have the coaching staff to really coach up Jalen or someone else. so there's that as well. I said after 2021 I would of went a different direction...i feel 2022 was a stand out year like Ryan or Newton's mvp year and shouldn't be expected moving forward. The numbers prove that...his paycheck says Howie and lurie gambled and lost
October 6, 20242 yr 13 minutes ago, Shalodeep said: I said after 2021 I would have went a different direction...i feel 2022 was a stand out year like Ryan or Newton's mvp year and shouldn't be expected moving forward. The numbers prove that...his paycheck says Howie and lurie gambled and lost Sometimes people get out of hand with their comments. How exactly did they gamble and lose? He’s taken this team to the playoffs every year since he’s been named the starter. His career record is 36-19. I could run off a bunch of guys here who make as much or more than Jalen who have a worse record than that. On top of that he’s doing it with an idiot at coach, a soft defense, constant new coordinators, and a fan base that never really had his back.
October 6, 20242 yr 10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Sometimes people get out of hand with their comments. How exactly did they gamble and lose? He’s taken this team to the playoffs every year since he’s been named the starter. His career record is 36-19. I could run off a bunch of guys here who make as much or more than Jalen who have a worse record than that. On top of that he’s doing it with an idiot at coach, a soft defense, constant new coordinators, and a fan base that never really had his back. If the goal is playoffs and Todd bowles sends you home, then well worth it. If we can stay 100% healthy at all times, then well worth it. If we can keep drafting and producing pro bowl level lineman at all times including very competent backups, then well worth it... the fan base actually overall has his back. Significantly more love him than question him. Nick has the same win-loss record for an idiot head coach and deals with those coordinators that Howie picks for him(don't like nick btw but you cant use this argument to defend hurts and not nick), and that defense gets few financial investments and a crap ton of short fields due to hurts recklessness with the football...
October 6, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Shalodeep said: If the goal is playoffs and Todd bowles sends you home, then well worth it. If we can stay 100% healthy at all times, then well worth it. If we can keep drafting and producing pro bowl level lineman at all times including very competent backups, then well worth it... the fan base actually overall has his back. Significantly more love him than question him. Nick has the same win-loss record for an idiot head coach and deals with those coordinators that Howie picks for him(don't like nick btw but you cant use this argument to defend hurts and not nick), and that defense gets few financial investments and a crap ton of short fields due to hurts recklessness with the football... As if even going to the playoffs is a common occurrence. Josh Allen has been hot garbage in the playoffs, but I bet you would be gushing all over yourself if he was our guy. Tall me how many times Wentz actually made it to the playoffs.
October 6, 20242 yr Just now, EazyEaglez said: As if even going to the playoffs is a common occurrence. Josh Allen has been hot garbage in the playoffs, but I bet you would be gushing all over yourself if he was our guy. Tall me how many times Wentz actually made it to the playoffs. Wentz hasnt been here in quite some time.... And yes, I would love to have Allen on this team...as would 30 other teams lol
October 6, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Shalodeep said: Wentz hasnt been here in quite some time.... And yes, I would love to have Allen on this team...as would 30 other teams lol Wentz was that last guy here son. We can talk about Minshew or those other guys who haven’t won here if you like. Clearly if you’re soiling your pants for Allen then it’s really not about winning to you.
October 6, 20242 yr Howie needs to call the browns and trade for Myles Garrett. Throw in Winston and we’ll give them a real franchise qb in hurts 🥴
October 6, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Wentz was that last guy here son. We can talk about Minshew or those other guys who haven’t won here if you like. Clearly if you’re soiling your pants for Allen then it’s really not about winning to you. Allen has one of the highest winning percentages in the nfl? Jalen is 2-3 in the post season and josh is 5-5..... Beyond jalens superbowl performance, he hasnt been great in playoff games. I get defending jalen, but like the dude above said.... Josh Allen isn't the guy to compare against
October 6, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, Shalodeep said: Allen has one of the highest winning percentages in the nfl? Jalen is 2-3 in the post season and josh is 5-5..... Beyond jalens superbowl performance, he hasnt been great in playoff games. I get defending jalen, but like the dude above said.... Josh Allen isn't the guy to compare against Real rough day to be a "josh allen is so great" guy.
October 6, 20242 yr 26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Josh Allen has been hot garbage in the playoffs So hilariously false you should probably never post here again.
October 6, 20242 yr 7 minutes ago, jsb235 said: Real rough day to be a "josh allen is so great" guy. Been a real rough ...year-ish for Hurts can do no wrong types huh
October 6, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, Swoop said: So hilariously false you should probably never post here again.
October 6, 20242 yr How many more false arguments that Hurts and Allen are comparable do we need to put to bed?
October 6, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Swoop said: How many more false arguments that Hurts and Allen are comparable do we need to put to bed? They both play qb and weren't great at it when they started....that's about where the comparison forks and becomes two different stories.
October 6, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, wrestlevessel said: When are we getting a real Franchise QB? So frustrating that twice in a row we have had regressing QBs when we thought we found the guy. Maybe we can try to get Wentz back? BTW, one thing that Wentz was able to do was work with whatever receiver you gave him. He made Fulgham seem like a pro bowler. It would be interesting to see what he can do with the weapons we have. A decent QB should be able to put up 300+ yards every week with these weapons, easily.
October 6, 20242 yr 36 minutes ago, opa-opa said: Maybe we can try to get Wentz back? BTW, one thing that Wentz was able to do was work with whatever receiver you gave him. He made Fulgham seem like a pro bowler. It would be interesting to see what he can do with the weapons we have. A decent QB should be able to put up 300+ yards every week with these weapons, easily. Gotta move on from wentz lol . Definitely need more production from the qb position, but I'll just take jalen not turning the ball over and distributing to the talent like purdy vs whatever the hell he is trying to do now. With the money tied into him, he is the dude one way or another
October 6, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, Shalodeep said: Been a real rough ...year-ish for Hurts can do no wrong types huh It's no longer 2023. We are currently 2-2. I know your camp has to keep hammering "the 'historic' collapse unlike ever witnessed before in sports and even before sports were invented ..." But that is so 2023. BTW, when posting 2023 stats, I just want to remind you that the season stats didn't begin on December 3. Hurts isn't just 3-8 in his last 11 games, he's also 13-9 going back to the beginning of last season. But I digress... He and the team are 2-2 this season and have 13 more regular season opportunities to play better football.
October 6, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, Shalodeep said: Allen has one of the highest winning percentages in the nfl? Jalen is 2-3 in the post season and josh is 5-5..... Beyond jalens superbowl performance, he hasnt been great in playoff games. I get defending jalen, but like the dude above said.... Josh Allen isn't the guy to compare against The point is neither player wins in the postseason, but who would you rather have as a coach? 6 seasons 5-5 and that does it for you?😂🤣😂
October 6, 20242 yr 29 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: The point is neither player wins in the postseason, but who would you rather have as a coach? 6 seasons 5-5 and that does it for you?😂🤣😂 Didn't know we were discussing coaches lol if that goal post is being moved to coaches....neither XD
October 6, 20242 yr 41 minutes ago, brkmsn said: It's no longer 2023. We are currently 2-2. I know your camp has to keep hammering "the 'historic' collapse unlike ever witnessed before in sports and even before sports were invented ..." But that is so 2023. BTW, when posting 2023 stats, I just want to remind you that the season stats didn't begin on December 3. Hurts isn't just 3-8 in his last 11 games, he's also 13-9 going back to the beginning of last season. But I digress... He and the team are 2-2 this season and have 13 more regular season opportunities to play better football. Pretty sure he leads the league in turnovers since the beginning of 2023 and not since December 3rd.... also, this is pretty much the same team we are fielding. Offensive scheme has a little bit of motion now, but Jalen runs it the same and the defensive scheme is literally the same scheme lol we lost two of our leaders to retirement and our sack leader was replaced with a guy who has as many sacks as i have had sincw high school. so we may actually be worse
October 6, 20242 yr 20 minutes ago, Shalodeep said: Didn't know we were discussing coaches lol if that goal post is being moved to coaches....neither XD Coaches matter. Jalen’s carrying his. By the way your guy just lost (after completing only 9 passes) so maybe 30 teams aren’t clamoring for him after all.
October 6, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Coaches matter. Jalen’s carrying his. By the way your guy just lost (after completing only 9 passes) so maybe 30 teams aren’t clamoring for him after all. Pretty sure if he went on the market, this game wouldn't be the determining factor lol I get it though. It's the bye week, washington got another game up, and for the first time since the end of the 2021 season, jalen is being questioned. Do what ya gotta do to feel better about yourself. Questioning easily a top 2-3 qb in the league vs a dude slowly falling out the top 12 is a nice way to burn a sunday
October 6, 20242 yr Oh, and if jalen is carrying nick, I say Howie is carrying jalen with this roster
October 6, 20242 yr 15 minutes ago, Shalodeep said: Pretty sure he leads the league in turnovers since the beginning of 2023 and not since December 3rd.... also, this is pretty much the same team we are fielding. Offensive scheme has a little bit of motion now, but Jalen runs it the same and the defensive scheme is literally the same scheme lol we lost two of our leaders to retirement and our sack leader was replaced with a guy who has as many sacks as i have had sincw high school. so we may actually be worse Since the beginning of 2023, Hurts has 27 turnovers (20 last season). Josh Allen has 24 (22 last season), Mahomes has 22 (17 last season), Tua has 22, Lawrence has 22, Howell had 23 last season and hasn't played this year. Hypothetical question --- If Hurts over the next 10 games has the fewest turnovers among starting QBs in that 10 game span will people be posting QB comparisons of that span or will they be lumping the first 4 games into it ... or will they lump those and 2023's stats into it? It all depends on the narrative. I would prefer in that situation, we compare Jalen's first 4 games to his next ten only to show improvement in protecting the ball, but fully understand that the 1st 4 games also counted this season (especially when compared to other QBs). But last season has absolutely nothing to do with this season and if you want to compare careers, then compare careers without cherry-picking a time span to fit a narrative.
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