I hope that Lurie isn't so wishy-washy that he would fire his head coach after 3 winning seasons, 3 playoff seasons one of which was a Super Bowl season. Maybe retool, get better assistants, Frank Reich is out there, might he be good as an OC/Assistant HC?

Who might be out there for DC? Is Juan Castillo available?  

Maybe Sirianni will need to be fired, but I'm not at the point of wanting to demand it and I'd be surprised... no, shocked, if Lurie would pull that trigger right now. 

Just now, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Maybe Sirianni will need to be fired, but I'm not at the point of wanting to demand it and I'd be surprised... no, shocked, if Lurie would pull that trigger right now. 

Can I ask though why you aren’t at the point of demanding it? What about Sirianni makes you think he can turn it around? That’s not being critical I just wonder why.

It's time to get some experienced coaches. Enough of these "geniuses." 

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Can I ask though why you aren’t at the point of demanding it? What about Sirianni makes you think he can turn it around? That’s not being critical I just wonder why.

You beat me to this question.....

Worst case scenario:

What im afraid of is that firing Desai wasnt Siris decision and came from the top. If thats the case then they cant fire Siri and make him the scapegoat, they will keep him just to keep him quiet. In that case nothing gets fixed and we are screwed.

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

I really wonder what the game plan even was...or if there was one.  They were woefully un-prepared for the entirely predictable Bucs pass rush.  They could not convert 3rd downs.  They allowed Baker Mayfield to look like Tom Brady out there.  Our screen game was a disaster.  They got run on for more than 100 yards.  Offensive play calling looked desperate and unscripted (again).  The one area that has not been a mess all season, Special Teams, looked lost out there.  

I mean, honestly, what exactly did they do to prepare for this game??

Same thing they did for the last 7 weeks....nothing.

32 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

If you're going to fire him, you'd better have a good replacement plan. Because they need a new OC & DC too.

It would never happen but Bellachick and Harbaugh are both available and both "win now" coaches". They'd have no problems putting their staffs together. If we did that we'd be contenders next year. But Lurie will want a puppet he can control. 

How many 3rd downs did the Eagles Offense convert against the Bucs? 0 for 9 on third down?

Did I count correctly when I counted to ZERO? Is that even possible?

What is this, make believe?

 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

It would never happen but Bellachick and Harbaugh are both available and both "win now" coaches". They'd have no problems putting their staffs together. If we did that we'd be contenders next year. But Lurie will want a puppet he can control. 

I think you may be right about the control issue. If they keep Sirianni, we'll know for sure.

It's 330 pm and sirianni is still the hc? 

29 minutes ago, ThinkGreen said:

It's time to get some experienced coaches. Enough of these "geniuses." 

If Sirianni is fired, which I think is a bad idea, then yeah. Younger coaches and Philadelphia are disastrous because younger coaches tend to have more to learn and Philadelphia doesn't have the patience anymore. It's pretty much rings or bust here now.

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Can I ask though why you aren’t at the point of demanding it? What about Sirianni makes you think he can turn it around? That’s not being critical I just wonder why.

I understand, and I don't mind if it's being critical. I've been on the EMB for a lot of years, so I have a thick skin lol. 

I never want to fire a coach too soon. I didn't want Andy fired when we fired him. I didn't want Doug fired. I didn't want Chip... err... well, Ok, I wanted him fired (or in front of a firing squad). But Chip is the exception (in the 21st Century). Go back to Kotite or the Swamp Fox, and I was ready for them to be gone. But they hadn't had big success.

I believe that you let him try to work it out. You don't pull a Daniel Snyder or do what the Browns do/did and fire a coach every 2 to 4 years (or sooner). 

What forms that opinion for me? 48 years of watching how teams operate. Go back in time to a different era, one that's long gone and would never happen today but forms the basis of how I feel. Let's look at the Cowboys. If Clint Murchison had had an itchy trigger finger, he'd have fired Tom Landry before the Cowboys began to have the success that they enjoyed through the 70's and 80's (I wish he had fired him). In Landry's first 6 seasons the Cowboys went 25-53-4 with their first season being a 0 win year. 

If the Steelers had that itchy trigger finger, Chuck Noll would have been fired after his first 3 seasons where he went 12-30.

I'm not suggesting that Sirianni will become a Hall of Fame legend and I'm not suggesting that he'll have any greater success than he's already had. I'm saying that I don't want any itchy trigger fingers pulling the trigger too soon. Let him succeed or fail, but give him the time to do it and I don't believe that a coach who's record is 34-17 over 3 seasons with all 3 resulting in playoff appearances with one of them being a Super Bowl appearance, should be fired solely because of a late season collapse where we lost 6 of the final 7 games, as infuriating and unacceptable as that is. 

Can he turn it around? I don't know but I want to know, and I don't want to know it because he wins a Super Bowl for some other team.

Will I feel the same way a year from now if we have an even worse season than this one? No, likely not. Will I then be ready for big decisions to be made? Yes, likely so. But not right this moment. 

5 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I understand, and I don't mind if it's being critical. I've been on the EMB for a lot of years, so I have a thick skin lol. 

I never want to fire a coach too soon. I didn't want Andy fired when we fired him. I didn't want Doug fired. I didn't want Chip... err... well, Ok, I wanted him fired (or in front of a firing squad). But Chip is the exception (in the 21st Century). Go back to Kotite or the Swamp Fox, and I was ready for them to be gone. But they hadn't had big success.

I believe that you let him try to work it out. You don't pull a Daniel Snyder or do what the Browns do/did and fire a coach every 2 to 4 years (or sooner). 

What forms that opinion for me? 48 years of watching how teams operate. Go back in time to a different era, one that's long gone and would never happen today but forms the basis of how I feel. Let's look at the Cowboys. If Clint Murchison had had an itchy trigger finger, he'd have fired Tom Landry before the Cowboys began to have the success that they enjoyed through the 70's and 80's (I wish he had fired him). In Landry's first 6 seasons the Cowboys went 25-53-4 with their first season being a 0 win year. 

If the Steelers had that itchy trigger finger, Chuck Noll would have been fired after his first 3 seasons where he went 12-30.

I'm not suggesting that Sirianni will become a Hall of Fame legend and I'm not suggesting that he'll have any greater success than he's already had. I'm saying that I don't want any itchy trigger fingers pulling the trigger too soon. Let him succeed or fail, but give him the time to do it and I don't believe that a coach who's record is 34-17 over 3 seasons with all 3 resulting in playoff appearances with one of them being a Super Bowl appearance, should be fired solely because of a late season collapse where we lost 6 of the final 7 games, as infuriating and unacceptable as that is. 

Can he turn it around? I don't know but I want to know, and I don't want to know it because he wins a Super Bowl for some other team.

Will I feel the same way a year from now if we have an even worse season than this one? No, likely not. Will I then be ready for big decisions to be made? Yes, likely so. But not right this moment. 

I would normally agree.  But this is different than anything I've seen in the many years I've been following this team.  The Eagles will be hard pressed to put together a good staff if Siri is retained.  Too many coaching vacancies this year.  And the roster desperately needs to be retooled.  But the bottom line is that Siri lost the locker room, and from the look on his face during the game, he lost confidence as well.  I think it's too hard to put that genie back in the bottle.

Maybe it was just too late to change drastic course 11 games in. Teams figured out we ran a high school offense and we have no linebackers. But how do you overhaul the offense 11 games into the season? You really cant. They are who they are. They rely on explosive plays and Hurts making plays. Its like the Randall offense from the 90s. And we were stuck with Morrow and Fraudberry. Even if Siri wanted to bench him we have no one else. That one is on Howie.

Maybe Lurie realizes that and will give Siri another chance?

8 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I believe that you let him try to work it out

And I get your reasons and you have a hell of a lot more experience with this than I do so I value your opinion. I just can’t sit back and give this HC another year. The way this team fell apart and quit is just really unacceptable. And the way he had no answers that worked is unacceptable. To me he is way out of his depth and as an offensive minded HC there’s nothing special about his offense.

3 hours ago, time2rock said:

I really hope when reflecting on the season to determine if Sirianni should be fired or retained that Lurie looks at the 1-6 end to the season and weighs that more heavily than the 10-1 start (which now seems like a lifetime ago).  Also take into consideration that many of those 6 losses we were blown out … some to crap teams like NY.  

 Some in their front office can't even take a dump unless they figure out an analytical equation on time, and amount of toilet paper squares is optimal.  So they know by point differential, record, and bubble screens, that the Eagles were actually an 8-9 team, that with Hurts regression should have Siriani gone by the end of the week.  

 

15:47 on the east coast.  Is he fired yet?

9 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Can he turn it around? I don't know but I want to know, and I don't want to know it because he wins a Super Bowl for some other team.

Will I feel the same way a year from now if we have an even worse season than this one? No, likely not. Will I then be ready for big decisions to be made? Yes, likely so. But not right this moment. 

I think the only other think you are leaving out is that there are good coaches available right now that are better than Sirranni. If there were no coaches available except for OC/DCs as first time head coach, i would agree with you. Also none of the other Eagles coaches had this type of a meltdown except kotite (this was before my time). I mean they don't even look like a team at this point on top of the fact that we saw the same mistake over the last 7 games without it getting fixed. If the team was trying hard and playing competitive and still losing, this is a whole another conversation. The team looks disinterested, dejected, and in a panic. Seems like their solution is Hurts figure it out or nothing. 

Its going to get their franchise QB hurt. I don't think Lurie is going to find that acceptable. You know exactly whats going to happen next year if Sirranni comes back. All defenses are going to blitz them on offense 75% of the time and they don't have a solution and Nick is going to get fired early to mid season and we won't have any good coaches to bring in. 

Also Nick is 13-12 without Steichen calling his plays.

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And I get your reasons and you have a hell of a lot more experience with this than I do so I value your opinion. I just can’t sit back and give this HC another year. The way this team fell apart and quit is just really unacceptable. And the way he had no answers that worked is unacceptable. To me he is way out of his depth and as an offensive minded HC there’s nothing special about his offense.

I'm just not ready to give up on a coach after 6 (7 really, can't forget the Jets) losses a year after being in the Super Bowl.  But like I said, I'm usually slow to want (most) coaches fired. That's why I'm glad it isn't up to fans to make those decisions. 

It is 8:53pm in London, has Sirianni been fired yet?

1 minute ago, Soumak said:

I think the only other think you are leaving out is that there are good coaches available right now that are better than Sirranni.

I'm not a 'two birds in the bush' kind of person. Hire Belichick and watch him do what he did with the Browns? No, I don't want that. Hire Carrolle and watch him do what he did with the Patriots? No, I don't want that. If I could count on a new coach having big success, sure. But you can't count on that. Keep the bird in the hand and let him succeed or fail. 

But I understand the overriding sentiment of everyone that wants him fired. That's just not me... not that being that way (for me), is right. I defended some of those people who had to be banned from here who then turned around and attacked me personally. So I know that my opinion can be entirely wrong lol. 

3 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Siri is an unserious clown. I think Hurts has had enough of him.

To be fair, Socrates was frivilous in comparison to Hurts.

8 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I'm not a 'two birds in the bush' kind of person. Hire Belichick and watch him do what he did with the Browns? No, I don't want that. Hire Carrolle and watch him do what he did with the Patriots? No, I don't want that. If I could count on a new coach having big success, sure. But you can't count on that. Keep the bird in the hand and let him succeed or fail. 

But I understand the overriding sentiment of everyone that wants him fired. That's just not me... not that being that way (for me), is right. I defended some of those people who had to be banned from here who then turned around and attacked me personally. So I know that my opinion can be entirely wrong lol. 

What about what AR did with KC? What about what Belechick did in NE after the Browns let him go? Tony Dungy from Bucs to Colts? There are definitely proof of going the other way too. I think for me, its the team being disinterested that really gets me. we were being outplayed by the giants and cardinals not because of talent but because of coaching. I think on this one we'll have to agree to disagree.

But at the same time, I do agree with you that chances of Lurie firing him is lower than people think. Lurie has never fired a HC without a losing record (except chip).

40 minutes ago, Gannan said:

It would never happen but Bellachick and Harbaugh are both available and both "win now" coaches". They'd have no problems putting their staffs together. If we did that we'd be contenders next year. But Lurie will want a puppet he can control. 

Belichick can F right off. If we really must get a new coach, I'm calling Mike Tomlin and asking how many zeroes he wants on his contract