January 17, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: There's always a first of course, but Lurie's never hired a former NFL Head Coach to be the head coach. Ray Rhodes, Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Doug Pederson and Nick Siriana. Other than Kelly, all assistant coaches. That doesn't mean that he won't go after one of those fired head coaches, or Harbaugh. Just that it's not part of his MO. Good point, but I wonder if the fact that his last two coaching hires struggled to regain their prior success after their initial coordinators were poached following a Super Bowl appearance, would change the approach this time around? Pederson was at least able to get another playoff win under his belt in 2018 in the WC game against the Bears before the WC loss to the Seahawks in 2019. Pederson was supposedly let go because he wanted to promote Press Taylor to OC (which would have been a bad move at the time) and we ended up with that weird OC committee approach in 2020 instead. Things were not the same after Frank Reich left, although Pederson was lucky that he got to keep Jim Schwartz at DC. Sirianni either chose poorly himself or was stuck with two inexperienced coordinators picked by the FO that later proved to be a bad gamble after losing Shane Steichen and Jonathan Gannon to the Colts and Cardinals respectively.
January 17, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, LacesOut said: I'm still shocked that they started 10-1. Yes. But even then, we could tell - vividly - that something wasn't right. The record was telling a story that our eyes knew was false. The only game this entire season that made me think, through the entire game, that we were dominating the other team and going to win was the Rams game. And even in that one, it may have been the sake talking to me. (I'd had quite a bit while walking around the tailgates.) 10-1 or not, this year's team was never good.
January 17, 20241 yr 49 minutes ago, ilikepargo said: Yes. But even then, we could tell - vividly - that something wasn't right. The record was telling a story that our eyes knew was false. The only game this entire season that made me think, through the entire game, that we were dominating the other team and going to win was the Rams game. And even in that one, it may have been the sake talking to me. (I'd had quite a bit while walking around the tailgates.) 10-1 or not, this year's team was never good. The last 7 games is the biggest disaster for Eagles that I have seen since 1979. I can’t think of higher expectations, and such monumental loss of professionalism since then. The entire philosophy of the team at every level has to be reexamined. If Siri is still here next season…I just might stop watching until the new owner is in town. Too much BS.
January 17, 20241 yr I’m on the fence. Ideally, I’d like Sirianni to stay with new and capable coordinators. But can they attract any? I still refuse to believe this is talent issue, Eagles should be very attractive situation for playcallers on offense and defense. Yet a year ago it seemed like all the credible options especially on defense said no and we ended up with the buffoon Desai and his bend-and-break defense. Siri came with effectively no pedigree and no connections, if the situation is that with him as HC they can only attract unknown buffoons then he needs to go.
January 17, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, DKing said: I’m on the fence. Ideally, I’d like Sirianni to stay with new and capable coordinators. But can they attract any? I still refuse to believe this is talent issue, Eagles should be very situation for playcallers on offense and defense. Yet a year ago it seemed like all the credible options especially on defense said no and we ended up with the buffoon Desai and his bend-and-break defense. Siri came with effectively no and no connections, if the situation is that with him as HC they can only attract unknown buffoons then he needs to go. Lurie has never been able to hire a coach with great "pedigree", what makes anyone think he can do it this time? Ae we sure Mike Vrabel would even want the job? Also it's likely the problems plaguing this team can't be solved by switching coaches. I think the real problem is that 3 years into the Hurts era this team still doesn't have an "identity" and neither does Hurts. Are we still an RPO team? A finesse team? An explosive big play team? Is Hurts a pocket passer or not? Does anyone know? I think this has to be all figured out before this team can get back on the right track. I mean you can lack success and still have an identity. We have neither.
January 17, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Can I ask though why you aren’t at the point of demanding it? I've been thinking more about this question, and I think maybe I might feel differently if my situation was different. As it is, I can really only watch the 1PM games. For the 4PM Games, I can catch about half. For anything later than that, I can only follow on NFL.COM's little animated system. For Monday's game, I didn't see a single play. If I had been able to watch everything, I'd likely be more pissed and more ready for a change. So whatever happens, happens and I'll go with the flow... not that I can do any differently. But it'll be what it'll be.
January 17, 20241 yr Just now, VaBeach_Eagle said: I've been thinking more about this question, and I think maybe I might feel differently if my situation was different. As it is, I can really only watch the 1PM games. For the 4PM Games, I can catch about half. For anything later than that, I can only follow on NFL.COM's little animated system. For Monday's game, I didn't see a single play. If I had been able to watch everything, I'd likely be more pissed and more ready for a change. So whatever happens, happens and I'll go with the flow... not that I can do any differently. But it'll be what it'll be. Yeah I mean for me that’s why I want them to fire Sirianni and start afresh. We all put so much time in to following this team. We watch the games, we spend money on merchandise and we spend time on here discussing the Eagles. And for them to put in that ish show and that collapse? And then I mean I choose to get up at 1am to watch the games and they don’t try? And they have no answers? It’s unacceptable.
January 17, 20241 yr 22 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Yeah I mean for me that’s why I want them to fire Sirianni and start afresh. We all put so much time in to following this team. We watch the games, we spend money on merchandise and we spend time on here discussing the Eagles. And for them to put in that ish show and that collapse? And then I mean I choose to get up at 1am to watch the games and they don’t try? And they have no answers? It’s unacceptable. Yea I feel you on that. Game start here was 3am and I turn it on to see half the team clearly doesn't want to be there based on their body language. This was supposed to be a redemptive game but the team had already buckled. Say what you will about Doug, I didn't see his teams act that way and makes me wonder about Nick. It's not even about the collapse, that can happen to a team, it's how they didn't even fight to try to get out of it. I'm not a reactionary and generally would say give the team another year, etc. - but the fact that he couldn't get his team focused on this game gives me real pause and makes me wonder if last year it was just the vets, the talent, and the league not knowing how to stop Hurts. The league adjusts, but if the coach can't do that and get his team ready it won't be a problem that he can just grow out of. It remains to be see what it is, or if he'll get a chance to prove that the problem isn't him.
January 17, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Thunda32 said: Yea I feel you on that. Game start here was 3am and I turn it on to see half the team clearly doesn't want to be there based on their body language. This was supposed to be a redemptive game but the team had already buckled. Say what you will about Doug, I didn't see his teams act that way and makes me wonder about Nick. It's not even about the collapse, that can happen to a team, it's how they didn't even fight to try to get out of it. I'm not a reactionary and generally would say give the team another year, etc. - but the fact that he couldn't get his team focused on this game gives me real pause and makes me wonder if last year it was just the vets, the talent, and the league not knowing how to stop Hurts. The league adjusts, but if the coach can't do that and get his team ready it won't be a problem that he can just grow out of. It remains to be see what it is, or if he'll get a chance to prove that the problem isn't him. So with Doug I got why he was given more time. And they tried to work things out with him but the coaches stuff ultimately forced their hand. But with Sirianni I just don’t see any reason to keep him. He seems to have lost the players and he isn’t exactly a great offensive mind.
January 17, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Yeah I mean for me that’s why I want them to fire Sirianni and start afresh. We all put so much time in to following this team. We watch the games, we spend money on merchandise and we spend time on here discussing the Eagles. And for them to put in that ish show and that collapse? And then I mean I choose to get up at 1am to watch the games and they don’t try? And they have no answers? It’s unacceptable. My goodness, I can´t remember a season with so many 2am kickoffs... and it´s not as if I have the stamina of youth to handle it these days. A killer, right enough
January 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: I've been thinking more about this question, and I think maybe I might feel differently if my situation was different. As it is, I can really only watch the 1PM games. For the 4PM Games, I can catch about half. For anything later than that, I can only follow on NFL.COM's little animated system. For Monday's game, I didn't see a single play. If I had been able to watch everything, I'd likely be more pissed and more ready for a change. So whatever happens, happens and I'll go with the flow... not that I can do any differently. But it'll be what it'll be. Man that’s sucks. There were very few 1pm games this year. Just a couple.
January 17, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, opa-opa said: Lurie has never been able to hire a coach with great "pedigree", what makes anyone think he can do it this time? Ae we sure Mike Vrabel would even want the job? Also it's likely the problems plaguing this team can't be solved by switching coaches. I think the real problem is that 3 years into the Hurts era this team still doesn't have an "identity" and neither does Hurts. Are we still an RPO team? A finesse team? An explosive big play team? Is Hurts a pocket passer or not? Does anyone know? I think this has to be all figured out before this team can get back on the right track. I mean you can lack success and still have an identity. We have neither. I'm going to have to disagree with you on the identity part. Last year we absolutely had an identity on both sides of ball and basically did what we wanted. Very heavy into RPO, run game, occasional deep shots, a lot of intermediate on offense and get after the QB and stop the pass on defense. Even in 2021 we had an identity but just didn't have all the personnel pieces in place. This season, no we didn't have an identity on either side. Everything you described about not having an identity was exactly what this season looked like. BJ/Siri aren't nearly half the play caller Steichen was and they both looked clueless and clearly over their heads. This offense and the plays called are completely different than last year. It's like Steichen took the playbook and only left them with the 7 plays they run every year. Siri and his arrogant and cockiness got exposed big time. I read a comment somewhere that actually makes sense. Frank Reich as OC and Rivera as DC? I would be stoked if that were to happen knowing their HC days are probably over and we won't have to worry about them getting poached again.
January 17, 20241 yr Lurie to meet with Sirianni today. Per Jeff McLane, Lurie has made no final decisions on Sirianni's future. I'm sure Lurie will want to know what Sirianni's plan is for fixing all the issues that led to such a historic collapse and if he doesn't like the answers (e.g. "I plan to add extra fertilizer to the water for the plants"), that could lead to being fired. Stay tuned ...
January 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Heavywchamp said: I'm going to have to disagree with you on the identity part. Last year we absolutely had an identity on both sides of ball and basically did what we wanted. Very heavy into RPO, run game, occasional deep shots, a lot of intermediate on offense and get after the QB and stop the pass on defense. Even in 2021 we had an identity but just didn't have all the personnel pieces in place. This season, no we didn't have an identity on either side. Everything you described about not having an identity was exactly what this season looked like. BJ/Siri aren't nearly half the play caller Steichen was and they both looked clueless and clearly over their heads. This offense and the plays called are completely different than last year. It's like Steichen took the playbook and only left them with the 7 plays they run every year. Siri and his arrogant and cockiness got exposed big time. I read a comment somewhere that actually makes sense. Frank Reich as OC and Rivera as DC? I would be stoked if that were to happen knowing their HC days are probably over and we won't have to worry about them getting poached again. Eh, I'm still a fan of Sirianni, but he definitely needs a competent OC/DC. Our offense really stunk in the final few weeks, but they were overall a good offense when you look at what they did over the course of the season. Just look at the Chiefs this season. They lose Bienemy and then Mahomes has a down year, they set records for games under 20 points with Mahomes, and the entire team suddenly can't catch footballs. I don't think firing Sirianni is the right move, they just need to get good replacements for Brian and Desai.
January 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Heavywchamp said: I'm going to have to disagree with you on the identity part. Last year we absolutely had an identity on both sides of ball and basically did what we wanted. Very heavy into RPO, run game, occasional deep shots, a lot of intermediate on offense and get after the QB and stop the pass on defense. Even in 2021 we had an identity but just didn't have all the personnel pieces in place. This season, no we didn't have an identity on either side. Everything you described about not having an identity was exactly what this season looked like. BJ/Siri aren't nearly half the play caller Steichen was and they both looked clueless and clearly over their heads. This offense and the plays called are completely different than last year. It's like Steichen took the playbook and only left them with the 7 plays they run every year. Siri and his arrogant and cockiness got exposed big time. I read a comment somewhere that actually makes sense. Frank Reich as OC and Rivera as DC? I would be stoked if that were to happen knowing their HC days are probably over and we won't have to worry about them getting poached again. The identity was passive puss with a tush.
January 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Heavywchamp said: I'm going to have to disagree with you on the identity part. Last year we absolutely had an identity on both sides of ball and basically did what we wanted. Very heavy into RPO, run game, occasional deep shots, a lot of intermediate on offense and get after the QB and stop the pass on defense. Even in 2021 we had an identity but just didn't have all the personnel pieces in place. This season, no we didn't have an identity on either side. Everything you described about not having an identity was exactly what this season looked like. BJ/Siri aren't nearly half the play caller Steichen was and they both looked clueless and clearly over their heads. This offense and the plays called are completely different than last year. It's like Steichen took the playbook and only left them with the 7 plays they run every year. Siri and his arrogant and cockiness got exposed big time. I read a comment somewhere that actually makes sense. Frank Reich as OC and Rivera as DC? I would be stoked if that were to happen knowing their HC days are probably over and we won't have to worry about them getting poached again. That might have been one of my posts after Rivera was let go 😄 I think it's a realistic scenario since both Reich and Rivera are gonna have a hard time landing HC spots at this juncture and both have ties to the Eagles/respected within the organization. That combo is probably Nick's best bet if they give him another year.
January 17, 20241 yr 57 minutes ago, judunno said: The identity was passive puss with a tush. That's one of 7 different plays a game they run
January 17, 20241 yr Just now, NOTW said: If Lurie buys whatever he says it’s going to be a very long year for us next season. Top 5 pick long.
January 17, 20241 yr Lurie is not dumb, Siri had 7 weeks to fix this mess and he wasn't able to do it. The fact that they weren't competitive the last few weeks of the season, they showed players fighting on the sidelines during the game (Goddert/Hurts) and a defense that can't even make a tackle that all spoke volumes Monday night. I would be very disappointed in Jeff if he doesn't pull the trigger and fire Siri today.
January 17, 20241 yr 54 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: If Lurie buys whatever he says it’s going to be a very long year for us next season. Top 5 pick long. That's how I see it. If he stays, its a throw away year. Reminds me of Staley and the Chargers. Everyone knew he was in over his head and they just couldn't fire him because he made the playoffs (never mind that half the teams in the NFL make the playoffs now). So they had to give him another year in which literally everyone knew they were going to suck.
January 17, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Gannan said: That's how I see it. If he stays, its a throw away year. Reminds me of Staley and the Chargers. Everyone knew he was in over his head and they just couldn't fire him because he made the playoffs (never mind that half the teams in the NFL make the playoffs now). So they had to give him another year in which literally everyone knew they were going to suck. I wonder if they evaluate what coaches will be available like they do with what players will be available. I feel like this is the year for getting a good HC.
January 17, 20241 yr I'm good with letting Siriani going. Hiring Jim Harbaugh would be my choice of HC. His resume is outstanding being a NFL QB, Stanford coach, SF coach, Michigan coach. He know offense and can identify top notch defensive coordinators. Only problem is that he probably is too Alpha to work for Lurie.
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