GroundAttack Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 There's many reasons to lose a locker room. I'm back and forth if the players are there yet and if Nick really lost this team. One big move he made where I feel the players were affected by this is when Nick made the DC change from Desai to Patricia. Was it a move that had to get done? Yes and No. The defense was struggling when Nick made the change but now they are struggling at a historic rate after the change. Was it a panic move by Nick? Do the players look at it that it was a panic move? He didn't make this change just to do it. It could have gone 2 ways. Really good and he looks like a genius or really bad and look like a fool that it didn't work out and look like he did it out of panic. The move has backfired tremendously. Part of me says the move affected the players especially when it was made late in the season. I hope I'm wrong and the trust is still there with the coach from the players because once you lose the locker room, you can't get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Howie and Lurie should have never brought Patricia in to begin with 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawkins4prez Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It hasn't backfired it just didn't work. They were just as awful before. Eli Ricks, Josh Jobe and Zach Cunningham? C'mon, the back 7 is littered with stiffs! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LacesOut Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Good and fair points, OP. IF they play like dogs against TB, then yeah, then Nick has lost the room. But, wouldn't it be insane to fire a HC that just took the team to 3 straight playoff appearances?? Not that you mentioned firing Nick. Just my thought. On a side note, the Bills fired their OC mid to late season, and have played pretty damn well since then. I thought they were dead after the Eagles beat them. But wow, they vaulted up to the #2 seed. So sometimes it CAN work. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 When you have the rah rah type of coaches or the super tough coaches (think Tom Coughlin) those guys eventually run their course with a football team and eventually the players stop responding to their coaching styles. Why this happened so abruptly (and why replacing the coordinators won’t be enough) is due to when the players were looking at their coach for answers he had none. Just more motivational speeches. They tuned him out so there’s no way if he comes back they will trust him. It’s over record be dammed. The Eagles have to replace Sirianni. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, LacesOut said: Good and fair points, OP. IF they play like dogs against TB, then yeah, then Nick has lost the room. But, wouldn't it be insane to fire a HC that just took the team to 3 straight playoff appearances?? Not that you mentioned firing Nick. Just my thought. On a side note, the Bills fired their OC mid to late season, and have played pretty damn well since then. I thought they were dead after the Eagles beat them. But wow, they vaulted up to the #2 seed. So sometimes it CAN work. It works for the Bills because they trust their head coach. If the Eagles comeback with Sirianni I liken it to how the Chargers ran it back with Staley. They should have fired that guy, but they didn’t and it basically cost them the year. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road to Victory Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 The problem is we don’t hire great football minds because the head coaching job is not desirable. Howie is always meddling and is constantly in a power struggle with someone. Howie is the weak link. If we got rid of Howie, we could hire better scouts, player personnel guys and coaches. I really liked DP but he’s far from a great football mind, same with Sirianni, Both guys were offensive coordinators with no experience calling plays. Our head coaches have to be surrounded by great assistants and this year they’re not and it shows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBW Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Until you’re in the locker room, don’t talk about the locker room. Enough with the BS. Stop listening to derrick Gunn and Marcus Hayes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opa-opa Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Road to Victory said: The problem is we don’t hire great football minds because the head coaching job is not desirable. Howie is always meddling and is constantly in a power struggle with someone. Howie is the weak link. If we got rid of Howie, we could hire better scouts, player personnel guys and coaches. I really liked DP but he’s far from a great football mind, same with Sirianni, Both guys were offensive coordinators with no experience calling plays. Our head coaches have to be surrounded by great assistants and this year they’re not and it shows. Yeah I agree. The only way this team will ever win another SB is if Howie does what he did in 2017 again, ie assemble the best roster in football. It certainly wont be because of great coaching. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Norseman Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 17 hours ago, GroundAttack said: There's many reasons to lose a locker room. I'm back and forth if the players are there yet and if Nick really lost this team. One big move he made where I feel the players were affected by this is when Nick made the DC change from Desai to Patricia. Was it a move that had to get done? Yes and No. The defense was struggling when Nick made the change but now they are struggling at a historic rate after the change. Was it a panic move by Nick? Do the players look at it that it was a panic move? He didn't make this change just to do it. It could have gone 2 ways. Really good and he looks like a genius or really bad and look like a fool that it didn't work out and look like he did it out of panic. The move has backfired tremendously. Part of me says the move affected the players especially when it was made late in the season. I hope I'm wrong and the trust is still there with the coach from the players because once you lose the locker room, you can't get it back. I am no fan of Nick at the moment, but to be fair...the decision to move on from Desai could very well have been made by Howie and/or Jeff Lurie. Whoever made it, it was clearly a reaction to the media pressure and backfired big time. I happen to agree though, the Desai move would be the most obvious catalyst to the locker room implosion....which looks to be near complete at this point. That being said, this defense was in bad shape prior to him leaving too.....so who really knows if we'd be better off with him. I tend to think that a lot is going to leak out into the media after this season ends. It will be interesting to see what actually happened behind the scenes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF POON Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 18 hours ago, LacesOut said: Good and fair points, OP. IF they play like dogs against TB, then yeah, then Nick has lost the room. But, wouldn't it be insane to fire a HC that just took the team to 3 straight playoff appearances?? Not that you mentioned firing Nick. Just my thought. On a side note, the Bills fired their OC mid to late season, and have played pretty damn well since then. I thought they were dead after the Eagles beat them. But wow, they vaulted up to the #2 seed. So sometimes it CAN work. The Bills fired their OC and somehow it made the defense better. They've been winning due to running more and their defense stepping up. If it's going to take firing Brian Johnson for the Eagles D to play better, then I hope Lurie fires him today! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 It depends. If the locker room doesn't like the coordinator but likes the HC, they may like the change. If the locker room thinks the coordinator was just made a scapegoat, then perhaps. It depends on the situation. Bills and Steelers fired coordinators this season and turned things around. The Bills had the opposite season of the Eagles starting out bad then winning their division and getting hot. In this case the defense is a mess regardless of coordinator, it looked worse under Patricia but it was also a move done too late in the season. The roster on defense is bad to begin with so any DC doesn't have enough to work with. Some pieces were expected to be good but haven't been. On paper they thought the defensive talent was enough. It was not. Their plan was: A high scoring offense with a stacked roster, so the opponent would be passing more than running Strong D line and pass rush with Reddick and adding Nolan Smith to attack the QB After CJG left, the plan switched to bring back Bradberry who had an awful season Slay and Bradberry as 2 veteran corners to pair with a strong D line that led the league last year in sacks Safety had a band aid free agent, a 2nd year UDFA who showed promise and an exciting young prospect in Brown. But the returning veteran corners and D line would make up for that supposedly Linebackers? Who needs linebackers? They let 2 starting LBs walk. Edwards was not going to stay, he wanted to go to Chicago. But they should have re-signed Kyzir White. Relying on Dean was foolish and then he got hurt again like he was pre-draft which is why he fell. Signed a scrap in August in Cunningham who is the tallest midget of the unit. Reddick is a pass rush specialist not a cover LB like Patricia is trying to do with him. Reddick has been double teamed and held all season. DT was supposed to be full of studs. Three 1st round picks in Cox, Davis and Carter (who for a rookie had a good year). Davis disappointed. All of them had injuries. Milton Williams is a good backup but had injuries a bit as well. They have been awful against the run. Defensive Ends? Oh we have 1.5 defensive ends, no worries. Sweat regressed a bit as well. He's a solid player but needs to be paired with a full-time starting DE. Graham has been solid and still producing but is a part-time rotational player. Many fans wanted a DE drafted high the last 2 years, let's see what happens this year. Barnett was at least good to have in the rotation so now they're relying on DTs and LBs who aren't really LBs but pass rush specialists and it's all a mess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opa-opa Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 hours ago, The Norseman said: I am no fan of Nick at the moment, but to be fair...the decision to move on from Desai could very well have been made by Howie and/or Jeff Lurie. Whoever made it, it was clearly a reaction to the media pressure and backfired big time. I happen to agree though, the Desai move would be the most obvious catalyst to the locker room implosion....which looks to be near complete at this point. That being said, this defense was in bad shape prior to him leaving too.....so who really knows if we'd be better off with him. I tend to think that a lot is going to leak out into the media after this season ends. It will be interesting to see what actually happened behind the scenes. I thought the whole decision to go with the Fangio style passive bend not break defense comes from the top. Desai was just there to implement. So seems kinda dumb when u blame him for teams being able to rack up huge yards on the Eagles, which is exactly what bend not break is supposed to do? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kz! Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Meh, we have a smattering of undrafted free agents getting significant time in the secondary and a linebacker core that would probably be unemployed if we hadn't picked them up. I don't think anyone "lost the locker room" so much as we just have a bunch of guys playing at about the level you'd expect. Is what it is. We need a hefty infusion of youth on the defensive side of the ball in the offseason and we need our Bulldogs to develop quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 hours ago, NOTW said: It depends. If the locker room doesn't like the coordinator but likes the HC, they may like the change. If the locker room thinks the coordinator was just made a scapegoat, then perhaps. It depends on the situation. Bills and Steelers fired coordinators this season and turned things around. The Bills had the opposite season of the Eagles starting out bad then winning their division and getting hot. In this case the defense is a mess regardless of coordinator, it looked worse under Patricia but it was also a move done too late in the season. The roster on defense is bad to begin with so any DC doesn't have enough to work with. Some pieces were expected to be good but haven't been. On paper they thought the defensive talent was enough. It was not. Their plan was: A high scoring offense with a stacked roster, so the opponent would be passing more than running Strong D line and pass rush with Reddick and adding Nolan Smith to attack the QB After CJG left, the plan switched to bring back Bradberry who had an awful season Slay and Bradberry as 2 veteran corners to pair with a strong D line that led the league last year in sacks Safety had a band aid free agent, a 2nd year UDFA who showed promise and an exciting young prospect in Brown. But the returning veteran corners and D line would make up for that supposedly Linebackers? Who needs linebackers? They let 2 starting LBs walk. Edwards was not going to stay, he wanted to go to Chicago. But they should have re-signed Kyzir White. Relying on Dean was foolish and then he got hurt again like he was pre-draft which is why he fell. Signed a scrap in August in Cunningham who is the tallest midget of the unit. Reddick is a pass rush specialist not a cover LB like Patricia is trying to do with him. Reddick has been double teamed and held all season. DT was supposed to be full of studs. Three 1st round picks in Cox, Davis and Carter (who for a rookie had a good year). Davis disappointed. All of them had injuries. Milton Williams is a good backup but had injuries a bit as well. They have been awful against the run. Defensive Ends? Oh we have 1.5 defensive ends, no worries. Sweat regressed a bit as well. He's a solid player but needs to be paired with a full-time starting DE. Graham has been solid and still producing but is a part-time rotational player. Many fans wanted a DE drafted high the last 2 years, let's see what happens this year. Barnett was at least good to have in the rotation so now they're relying on DTs and LBs who aren't really LBs but pass rush specialists and it's all a mess. I feel like Nolan Smith was injured more than he played 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Norseman Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Meh, we have a smattering of undrafted free agents getting significant time in the secondary and a linebacker core that would probably be unemployed if we hadn't picked them up. I don't think anyone "lost the locker room" so much as we just have a bunch of guys playing at about the level you'd expect. Is what it is. We need a hefty infusion of youth on the defensive side of the ball in the offseason and we need our Bulldogs to develop quickly. I dunno man. I see serious regression from our QB all the way to our defensive line. Guys that were playing at a high level earlier in the season now look lost out there. Either the team has given up mentally or the coaching staff has them all completely dumbfounded. Basic stuff like tacking, blocking, coverages, not prematurely leaving the pocket, etc.are all a mystery to this team. Either the coaches have messed this team up so badly they literally cant play...or, they've lost the locker room and guys are just completely checked out. If they play like they did last week in Tampa I don't know how you keep any of these coaches around after this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beto_eagles Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 It's ridiculous that people are calling Sirianni and Pederson bad coaches. We really don't deserve sustained success if we think it's a good idea to fire a coach who has taken the team to the playoffs in all of his 3 seasons and should have probably won the SB if not for a few unlucky bounces. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonblood Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/9/2024 at 3:52 PM, GroundAttack said: There's many reasons to lose a locker room. I'm back and forth if the players are there yet and if Nick really lost this team. One big move he made where I feel the players were affected by this is when Nick made the DC change from Desai to Patricia. Was it a move that had to get done? Yes and No. The defense was struggling when Nick made the change but now they are struggling at a historic rate after the change. Was it a panic move by Nick? Do the players look at it that it was a panic move? He didn't make this change just to do it. It could have gone 2 ways. Really good and he looks like a genius or really bad and look like a fool that it didn't work out and look like he did it out of panic. The move has backfired tremendously. Part of me says the move affected the players especially when it was made late in the season. I hope I'm wrong and the trust is still there with the coach from the players because once you lose the locker room, you can't get it back. Siri didn't make the DC change. Howie and Lurie did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeM37 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 hours ago, opa-opa said: I thought the whole decision to go with the Fangio style passive bend not break defense comes from the top. Desai was just there to implement. So seems kinda dumb when u blame him for teams being able to rack up huge yards on the Eagles, which is exactly what bend not break is supposed to do? I despise it....I mean I really really hate that bend but dont break dumb arse philosophy.....its the dumbest thing I have ever seen in football..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 hours ago, The Norseman said: I dunno man. I see serious regression from our QB all the way to our defensive line. Guys that were playing at a high level earlier in the season now look lost out there. Either the team has given up mentally or the coaching staff has them all completely dumbfounded. Basic stuff like tacking, blocking, coverages, not prematurely leaving the pocket, etc.are all a mystery to this team. Either the coaches have messed this team up so badly they literally cant play...or, they've lost the locker room and guys are just completely checked out. If they play like they did last week in Tampa I don't know how you keep any of these coaches around after this season. You fire coordinators…deservingly so…and you bring back the same owner, same management puppet of the owner, the same or similar yes men who follow directions from up top and do not talk to the media, or have original ideas. Welcome to 2024_2025 Eagles. Players leave? Let’s call it Youth movement. Talent regresses? Let’s get more guys from the best college team Alabama. Amazing Fup in drafting strategy that no one is talking about. Every heralded Alabama pick in the beginning of the year is either not on the field, or playing like a looser. The more things change..the more they remain the same. I am praying for a talented head coach who will tell the owner to go F himself and win or loose, but do it his way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/10/2024 at 2:03 AM, DBW said: Until you’re in the locker room, don’t talk about the locker room. Enough with the BS. Stop listening to derrick Gunn and Marcus Hayes. No need to talk about the locker room. What they’re all about is strewn all over the field and the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, Talonblood said: Siri didn't make the DC change. Howie and Lurie did. No worries, because even is Sirianni is here or not he won’t be hiring the next OC or DC either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeze 44 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I'm not giving the players a pass with this they weren't happy with Desai being removed crap..every year we come up with an excuse as to why certain guys didn't perform. How about Jordan Davis doesn't put on 30lbs during the season... how about Slay worries more about the game then social media... Bradbury studies more, Fletcher goes to the sideline when he can't frigg'in breath and account for anything out there. The offense is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundAttack Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 13 hours ago, Talonblood said: Siri didn't make the DC change. Howie and Lurie did. is that confirmed? must of missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kz! Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 18 hours ago, The Norseman said: I dunno man. I see serious regression from our QB all the way to our defensive line. Guys that were playing at a high level earlier in the season now look lost out there. Either the team has given up mentally or the coaching staff has them all completely dumbfounded. Basic stuff like tacking, blocking, coverages, not prematurely leaving the pocket, etc.are all a mystery to this team. Either the coaches have messed this team up so badly they literally cant play...or, they've lost the locker room and guys are just completely checked out. If they play like they did last week in Tampa I don't know how you keep any of these coaches around after this season. Yeah, there's been a regression since the SF game, but the problems they've had have been present all season, even when we were grinding out close wins and a 10-1 start. Hell, even going back to week one, we let Mac Jones light us up for 316 yards. He's averaging around 190 per game on the season. We needed a flukey pick 6 to even win that game. Have they "lost the locker room" or do they just have subpar talent on defense who are playing their worst football of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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