Just now, DiPros said:

And the candidate with the delegates can give them up after a primary.  Is this not true?  

I really am not getting this at all.

Some posters stated that a primary vote for Biden was a primary vote for Kamala which is not true.

 

The delegates are free to vote for whomever they choose which is the issue diehard has.

3 minutes ago, DiPros said:

And the candidate with the delegates can give them up after a primary.  Is this not true?  

I really am not getting this at all.

Yes, the Candidate has the power to transfer his delegates to another candidate. However, the delegates can vote for another candidate, if they choose to, but usually there are repercussions if they don't vote for the candidate they pledged to vote for. In this case the delegates have all pledged to vote for Harris. 

5 minutes ago, BBE said:

Key word is Biden clinched the nomination.   Contrary to what the libs are saying, the VP is not chosen by the primary.  It is chosen by the candidate. 

For an incumbent who didn't incite a riot to hang the sitting VP, it's pretty obvious who the presumptee nominee's VP would be.

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

you do care, and it's great that you do, regardless of if we agree or not. 

The hypocrisy and inability to admit their party did some shady crap does, but not what the Dems actually did.    

@Diehardfan You want to see shady, look into Trump forcing SC Justice Kennedy to step down.  Now that was some shady sheet.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Correct, though it appears they will. But my understanding is they are free to vote for anyone. Although they have said they are voting Harris, there is no binding requirement to do so.

That is correct.  Which leads to arguments in the diehard/ Glen Greenwald line of thinking. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

For an incumbent who didn't incite a riot to hang the sitting VP, it's pretty obvious who the presumptee nominee's VP would be.

Was any ballot in the Presidential primary cast for Kamala?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

The hypocrisy and inability to admit their party did some shady crap does, but not what the Dems actually did.    

i mean, you did back peddle a bit. 

3 minutes ago, BBE said:

While it is possible, that is not probable.

It was likely a mixture

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Good point. Hillary had far more skeletons I suppose.

I didn't say anything about controversies or scandals. Was just curious if the Dems in here think she's a better candidate than Hillary was.

I was asking if she had any skeletons as well. I don't think she does like Hillary

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

All I can go on was the stories that came out, his personal statements, campaign statements, and the fact his staff was caught off guard. That doesn't change the fact they had a debate in June with the purpose of having him removed from the ticket. 

He definitely sounded stubborn about it but I think Jill and others very close to him talked him into stepping down. With Jill likely having the strongest influence. Just my opinion

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

@Diehardfan You want to see shady, look into Trump forcing SC Justice Kennedy to step down.  Now that was some shady sheet.

Not to mention how shady it was to deny Obama's nomination a floor vote for a vacant Court seat. Talk about shady sheet. 

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4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

@Diehardfan You want to see shady, look into Trump forcing SC Justice Kennedy to step down.  Now that was some shady sheet.

I'd agree with you. I stated other examples of him doing much worse stuff and saying it was much worse. I also said GOP people need to stop defending it or just let it go the same way Dems should just say yeah that was some crap they pulled and move on. That was in my first few posts. 

4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm not sure a KY Gov moves the needle. Don't overthink it, just go with Kelly or Shapiro, please. 

This.

You're never going to win KY and their EC votes aren't worth it anyway.

 

Although I will say it'd be worth the price of admission to watch the meltdown happen locally. 

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Why that can't just be accepted for what it was is beyond me

Because you're wrapping it up in a conspiracy theory with an RFK Jr bow that's holding it all together. I already said that part of what you're saying makes sense but when you go all conspiratard with the "They planned this all out on purpose to disenfranchise their own voters!" you lose me entirely.

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i mean, you did back peddle a bit. 

I'm pretty sure my first few posts said just that. 

Just now, BBE said:

That is correct.  Which leads to arguments in the diehard/ Glen Greenwald line of thinking. 

Anyone is free to launch an effort to win delegates right now. By the rules, this is a free for all. Basically the last 2 episodes of the 6th season of the West Wing.

In reality the party is united behind Harris, and none of the potential challengers (Whitmer, Shapiro, Newsom) are going to go for it. Which makes sense. They are all young and would rather wait on 2028 if she loses. You're coming into this campaign an underdog, and with limited time to develop a national following. So it's basically Harris by default, before even thinking about the warchest.

10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

They asked him.

Like 37 times per day for 3 weeks until they got the answer they needed. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Because you're wrapping it up in a conspiracy theory with an RFK Jr bow that's holding it all together. I already said that part of what you're saying makes sense but when you go all conspiratard with the "They planned this all out on purpose to disenfranchise their own voters!" you lose me entirely.

RFK and others got tied into it many posts later. They did conspire to have him removed or they wouldn't have had that debate in June. I also said I can't blame them. Pretty sure I said it was smart at one point, but still some shady crap. 

3 minutes ago, BBE said:

Some posters stated that a primary vote for Biden was a primary vote for Kamala which is not true.

 

The delegates are free to vote for whomever they choose which is the issue diehard has.

Can you quote them? I think the posts were saying that voting Biden for president ultimately was voting Kamala for president as she would be next in line (I was one of them saying this specifically)

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I'd agree with you. I stated other examples of him doing much worse stuff and saying it was much worse. I also said GOP people need to stop defending it or just let it go the same way Dems should just say yeah that was some crap they pulled and move on. 

Look, I get it.  It's rare.  It's happed before but it's not the usual.  But the guy was fading.  And the people that voted for him wanted him to step aside.  So this is how it's going down.

Do I feel bad for Biden?  Yeah, of course.

But do I wish it happened before the primary?  Actually, no, because I think this is more strategically well timed to win.

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How do you know it wasn't just a family decision? You're assuming he was forced. Jill could have had a serious talk with him about his age 🤷‍♂️

This is where diehardfan does make a good point though, it was pretty clear that it took some convincing before Biden relented. He wasn't on-board with this at all for at least the first couple weeks, and he's still gonna have to sell this to his longtime supporters in his address tomorrow to avoid them becoming embittered.

To get this thread back on track:

 

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Like 37 times per day for 3 weeks until they got the answer they needed. 

He still could've said no though.   You can bet if it were Trump, he would've gone down in flames.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm pretty sure my first few posts said just that. 

You should probably lay off all the conspiracy shite. It's bad for mental health.

You seem like a salvageable guy or I wouldn't be saying anything... just making fun of you like I do @EagleVA.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can you quote them? I think the posts were saying that voting Biden for president ultimately was voting Kamala for president as she would be next in line (I was one of them saying this specifically)

And by the rules of the primary you are wrong.