December 31, 2024Dec 31 24 minutes ago, Portyansky said: From what I remember they read on the Fanatic.... just all pro, pro bowl, make NFCCG, make SB. I believe 250k each. So he will have 2m headed his way. Ok, so sitting him (if they do), won't affect his incentives if one of the incentives was to break the all time record. Spraking of incentives, I remember way back in the 80's Mark Moseley had incentives in his Redskins contract that if he broke various FG records, that he'd earn a bonus. He broke a record, then went on to break that new record several more times with each FG thereafter. So there was a dispute on payment, did he break the record once or multiple times. Moseley was also the Eagles kicker for a period of time in the early 70's. Spoiler Quote Moseley Files Grievance Over $30,000 Incentive Bonuses By Gary Pomerantz August 2, 1983 Kicker Mark Moseley, the National Football League's most valuable player last season, has filed a formal grievance against the Washington Redskins to collect $30,000 in bonus payments he feels he earned last year, but has not yet received. The grievance applies to an incentive clause in Moseley's contract, which notes that Moseley will receive a bonus "for each additional NFL record he sets" in the 1982 season. Among five subclauses was a $5,000 bonus for "most consecutive field goals." Herein lies the point of contention: In 1982, Moseley converted his first 20 field goals, thereby breaking the previous NFL single-season mark of 16. Since Moseley also converted his final three field goals of the previous year, his 23 consecutive field goals overall broke the previous league record of 20 in a row. The Redskins say Moseley broke the one NFL record last season for "most consecutive field goals" and paid him his $5,000 bonus. Moseley says each time he bettered his own record with an additional field goal, he had set one more "additional NFL record." By Moseley's interpretation, he therefore set four different NFL single-season records and three different NFL records for consecutive field goals. Consequently, Moseley feels he is entitled to $35,000 in bonus payments, for breaking seven different "most consecutive field goals" league records. "The Redskins feel I set one record. I feel I set seven," said Moseley, 35, entering his 12th NFL season. Moseley's $148,000 base salary last year was highest in the league among kickers. "I don't want to cause any trouble. I'm not a troublemaker. I've always worked hard and I feel very loyal to the Redskins . . . But I feel I have a legitimate clause in my contract." Presenting the Redskins' view, Lawrence Lucchino, team general counsel, said today, "The club's position is that Mark is unentitled to the bonus payments that the grievance requests. His lawyer's reading of the contract goes far beyond the letter as well as the spirit of the agreement. We regret the dispute has developed, but we expect it can be resolved amicably." "The (contract) language does say 'for each additional record.' It does not say 'If he sets one of the following records," said Dick Berthelsen, counsel for the NFL Players Association, who is representing Moseley. "When Mark kicked his 17th through 23rd field goal in a row, he was each time breaking an additional NFL record . . . If the team or anyone is to contend that the (contract) language is vague, it would seem the vagueness could be resolved in the player's favor if that player had been the league's most valuable player." Berthelsen said he filed the grievance with the Redskins, by telex, on July 22. He said that, according to procedure defined in the new collective bargaining agreement, the Redskins had one week to reply, but have not yet done so. (Lucchino said yesterday the next step in the case is likely to be a rejection of Moseley's grievance by the NFL Management Council, on behalf of the Redskins.) Next, Berthelsen said, a representative of both the players union and the NFL Mangement Council would begin a "fact-finding mission." The findings of each side, he said, then would be referred to the Player-Club Relations Committee (PCRC), which next meets this month. If resolution still is not reached, Berthelsen said, the case then would go to arbitration, where Sam Kagel, a West Coast lawyer who has served as arbitrator in past league cases, would hear it or designate the case to someone else. "This is not something that Mark wanted to make a big public issue out of," Berthelsen said. "A grievance was filed only out of necessity . . . Item five (in the subclauses) says 'most consecutive field goals.' Certainly, that could be most consecutive field goals overall and most consecutive field goals in a season and Mark broke those records a number of times each." "The only way to keep either side from feeling shafted, is to take this to a neutral arbitrator," Moseley said. "That way there will be no hard feelings on either side."
December 31, 2024Dec 31 We actually now have an opportunity to do something that Detroit or Minnesota won’t get… A week’s rest. Next week Minnesota travel to Detroit with the #1 seed on the line and both teams are going to beat the snot out of each other and one of them isn’t going to get a rest the week after.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 Give the starters at least a half. Need to at least give it a try. If he gets close then keep him in.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 I'm a little surprised at how many want us to go for the record. I'd rather let all our starters get a bye week to get healthy for a SB run. Also, "breaking a record" on a 17 game schedule kinda cheapens the accomplishment for me. I mean, sure, it'll be a new "record" for a few years, but it's definitely not as special as accomplishing the feat under the same conditions.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: I'm a little surprised at how many want us to go for the record. I'd rather let all our starters get a bye week to get healthy for a SB run. Also, "breaking a record" on a 17 game schedule kinda cheapens the accomplishment for me. I mean, sure, it'll be a new "record" for a few years, but it's definitely not as special as accomplishing the feat under the same conditions. It's one more game, but far from the same conditions like you said. Dickerson was the beneficiary of a team that was all in for the record at the expense of everything else. In 16 games, Barkley didn't get the record, but reached 2000 rushing yards with 12 less fumbles and added 139 more receiving yards. In 16 games, he surpassed Dickerson in scrimmage yards. I don't know what makes Barkley's season less special even if it ended at 16 games. It's a better season already.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 Nobody put an asterick next to Dickerson's record, even though it took him 16 games and OJ did it in 14. If Saquon and the offensive line want the record, F it, let them go for it. 100 yards is nothing for those guys. Go get it and pull them right afterwards.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 21 hours ago, JeeQ said: I can't imagine our O-Line talking about this season years from now and saying, "Sure, we could've set the record for most rushing yards in a season, but we decided to take a rest day" A team wins the Super Bowl every season regardless of stats But this record has been standing longer than I or any player on the Eagles has been alive. No one remembers who won the Super Bowl in 1984, but everyone knows who has the rushing record for the past 40 seasons I do. Great matchup between all-time great QBs.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 I think it's worth the risk. Not trying at all is just not what this team has been about this year. I think they will come up with a good rotation where he can get it and not have 31 touches. A dozen could do it. Also, what is NY playing for anyway? Better they lose and get a better draft pick spot.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 BTW... I forgot that the WRs used to line up in a 3 point stance during this era. I thought that ended in the 1970s... I guess by this point it was starting to change over to the 2 point stance for the WRs.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 9 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: Ok, so sitting him (if they do), won't affect his incentives if one of the incentives was to break the all time record. Spraking of incentives, I remember way back in the 80's Mark Moseley had incentives in his Redskins contract that if he broke various FG records, that he'd earn a bonus. He broke a record, then went on to break that new record several more times with each FG thereafter. So there was a dispute on payment, did he break the record once or multiple times. Moseley was also the Eagles kicker for a period of time in the early 70's. Hide contents It's not in there.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 He carrie your team all year. This is a special record. If the players and Barkley want to go for it, let them. Usually, when you play not to get hurt- THEN you get hurt. I say go for it. I think Barkley deserves it.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 I am on the side of let him play. I am assuming he is healthy and ready to go. He and the team won't get this chance again and I don't see it as some supernatural choice between going for the record and a guaranteed SB win if he sits. Injuries are not controllable so I don't worry about them. If behind the scenes, Saquon is banged up more than we know and HE think he needs the rest, then by all means rest him. Otherwise, go for it.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 It's interesting that around the league other coaches play starters for records. Bills are starting Josh Allen for a bit then benching for rest, just so he can get a consecutive starts record (Eagles once did that for Kelce). Lions played starters last night. Also Siri has a history...
December 31, 2024Dec 31 1 hour ago, Portyansky said: It's not in there. I'm not surprised, but maybe I am just a little. I'd think that teams would throw that in there to inflate the size of the 'potential' contract. But then if it's in there and they don't let him go for it, maybe that creates a grievance or hard feelings that could blow things up.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 45 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: I'm not surprised, but maybe I am just a little. I'd think that teams would throw that in there to inflate the size of the 'potential' contract. But then if it's in there and they don't let him go for it, maybe that creates a grievance or hard feelings that could blow things up. They had the Cows demoralized, and pulled him with 11:30 in the game. If they wanted the record, I think they would have left him out there and IMHO i feel he could have gotten another 50 easy. Which then would make Sunday an easier task. Kinda hope I'm wrong and at the same time, hope I'm right lol
December 31, 2024Dec 31 There was a lot of fighting in the game, Cowboys were frustrated, don't need them taking cheap shots. Made sense to rest Barkley there. In the moment, sit him. Then evaluate options during the week, which they're doing.
December 31, 2024Dec 31 3 minutes ago, Portyansky said: They had the Cows demoralized, and pulled him with 11:30 in the game. If they wanted the record, I think they would have left him out there and IMHO i feel he could have gotten another 50 easy. Which then would make Sunday an easier task. Kinda hope I'm wrong and at the same time, hope I'm right lol They pulled him, but that was only for a single series, a 3 and out with under 5 minutes to go in a blow out. If it's a close game, do they still pull him after reaching 2,000 yards? So I don't read too much into that alone. I could envision them going for it against the Giants, but I can more envision them resting everyone. Has a team ever forfeited and not suited up? We could make NFL history here!
December 31, 2024Dec 31 Just now, VaBeach_Eagle said: They pulled him, but that was only for a single series, a 3 and out with under 5 minutes to go in a blow out. If it's a close game, do they still pull him after reaching 2,000 yards? So I don't read too much into that alone. I could envision them going for it against the Giants, but I can more envision them resting everyone. Has a team ever forfeited and not suited up? We could make NFL history here! Or we can score 100 points bc they will put all 11 in the box. 🤷🏻♂️
December 31, 2024Dec 31 3 minutes ago, Portyansky said: Or we can score 100 points bc they will put all 11 in the box. 🤷🏻♂️ Starting at QB for the Philadelphia Eagles vs. the Giants on Sunday:
December 31, 2024Dec 31 Just do it.. if he starts getting lit up by giants early and they're stuffing him, sit him.
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