February 24Feb 24 1 hour ago, pgcd3 said: How about Chip hiring Jeff Stoutland and then drafting Lane Johnson? Chip, chip, chip ... searching memory banks ... does not register.
February 24Feb 24 Pick any Barkley long run for a TD. After a while, we stopped counting. And then he did it again.
February 25Feb 25 On 2/24/2025 at 4:18 PM, Procus said: What about the singularity that some theorize preceded the big bang? What about if the singularity was preceded by a big crunch? I approve of this theory in some ways. IF - and it's a big if - gravity is strong enough, eventually the universe will stop expanding and begin contracting. Eventually, forming anothe singularity. This will then lead then to another big bang, perhaps with a different set of physical laws. I used to work in a university with some serious cosmolgists. The bits I could understand were mind-bending. And a surprisingly large proportion of them were quite religious. Anyway, to the initial question. There are so many factors that played into the development of this team. For me, the one stand-out moment was hiring Sirianni. I understood why people hated it at the time, though I could see potential. I had no idea how perfect for this team he would turn out. Lurie and Howie could easily have gone in a different direction.
February 25Feb 25 20 hours ago, pgcd3 said: How about Chip hiring Jeff Stoutland and then drafting Lane Johnson? Decent shout.
February 26Feb 26 Really there was not a singular move that got this team to where it is ... it was a combination of many moves: drafting Hurts trading Wentz (and acquiring Carter, Smitty, Brown, and Coop with the picks from that transaction) signing Barkley in free agency signing Baun in free agency signing Becton in free agency drafting Mitchell and Coop to solidify the secondary hiring Fangio Howie's overall drafting recently (ever since the Reagor fiasco when he was (rightfully) heavily criticized, he has hit on his top 3 picks every year: 21 - Smith, Dickerson, Williams, 22 - Davis, Jurgens, Dean, 23 - Carter, Smith, Steen, 24 - Mitchell, DeJean, Hunt). Drafting, especially on defense, was a sore spot for Howie for a long time leading up to that stretch ... he hit on all high defensive picks in those drafts! as strange as this may sound, drafting Reagor with the 21st pick in 2020 (the scrutiny Howie faced from that pick while also watching Jefferson tear it up in Minny led to a change in drafting philosophy that led to the point just above) There are probably more that I missed but you get the point ...
February 26Feb 26 1 hour ago, time2rock said: Really there was not a singular move that got this team to where it is ... it was a combination of many moves: drafting Hurts trading Wentz (and acquiring Carter, Smitty, Brown, and Coop with the picks from that transaction) signing Barkley in free agency signing Baun in free agency signing Becton in free agency drafting Mitchell and Coop to solidify the secondary hiring Fangio Howie's overall drafting recently (ever since the Reagor fiasco when he was (rightfully) heavily criticized, he has hit on his top 3 picks every year: 21 - Smith, Dickerson, Williams, 22 - Davis, Jurgens, Dean, 23 - Carter, Smith, Steen, 24 - Mitchell, DeJean, Hunt). Drafting, especially on defense, was a sore spot for Howie for a long time leading up to that stretch ... he hit on all high defensive picks in those drafts! as strange as this may sound, drafting Reagor with the 21st pick in 2020 (the scrutiny Howie faced from that pick while also watching Jefferson tear it up in Minny led to a change in drafting philosophy that led to the point just above) There are probably more that I missed but you get the point ... The Reagor move seems to have scared Howie straight 😀
February 26Feb 26 Author 8 hours ago, pgcd3 said: The Reagor move seems to have scared Howie straight 😀 The Reagor move turned out to be a blessing in disguise.
February 27Feb 27 I was not active here in April 2020 so I have no receipts but here was my thinking: QB... not expected., but I can understand Howie wanting a quality backup since Wentz has not made it through 2017, 2018, and 2019. I know Hurts from his high profile college career, let's see what he can do if/when we need him to play. It made no sense at the time to fully grasp that Nick Foles was not a 16 game QB but not also see that Wentz was not looking like a 16 game QB either. I loved Foles. I respected the hell out of Wentz's 2019 effort but they were not Eli or Favre with the endurance. It was one of the only reasons I put up with the Wentz over Foles decision, but it was now a factor for Wentz as well. I was neutral on the pick with a lean on Trust in Howie. I had ZERO outrage. This pick is now looking like a Joe Montana or Tom Brady level brilliant move (I'm not promising 4+ SBs, just that the rest of the league thought so little of a league and SB MVP candidate) Note: Its one thing for fans to be passionate about getting a LB or a CB or adding to the lines and being surprised and upset about a QB pick instead. Its another for the local and national media to personally insult Howie for a good 6 months. It was disgusting and it shows just how completely worthless they all are. You can disagree without going to insults. It was like the whole sports world turned into that useless moron who attacked Hurts in August 2022 and went after Embiid for his dead brother.
February 27Feb 27 1 hour ago, Procus said: The Reagor move turned out to be a blessing in disguise. it was one hell of an ugly rock but I will take the ripples.
February 27Feb 27 @time2rock I think there are a lot of parallels between 2017 and 2024 Patrick Robinson Nick Foles Long and LG from the champs Alshon Torrey Smith even the Wiz helped out in a pinch. Rasul and Barnett were nowhere near the impact of this draft class but Barnett forced a fumble in the NFCCG and grabbed the fumble in the SB.
February 27Feb 27 Howie was actually asked this very question at a combine interview with NBC. He said it's been a series of things, usually based on what's happening with the player and the organization at the time. He said about past moves "they all came from some level of disappointment." He pointed to the Sam Bradford trade after drafting Wentz as the first example. Said Wentz helped their teambuilding. Then had to rebuild again in 2020. Looking forward: have to keep in the big picture, continue to bring talented players in and not fall behind.
February 27Feb 27 On 2/24/2025 at 10:30 AM, ManchesterEagle said: I think they must have done to a degree. Although it was presented as drafting a back up, there is no way a team uses a second round pick on a back up (particularly as Hurts was seen as a developmental QB). At the very least they must have had serious doubts about Wentz and wanted a plan B. They might if the starter had shown a propensity to get injured and not being available for the playoffs. Foles was starting QB in 2017 and 2018 playoffs. Given that trend I wouldn't want a mediocre or worse QB#2. And I think Lurie has a propensity for "dual threat" QBs.
February 27Feb 27 If you look at past teams that have won multiple super bowls, they usually have really good draft a year or two ahead of their championship season, especially, 3rd and 4th rounders or guys who were surprise picks. I was mad as hell that the eagles took a QB in the 2nd round when they had so many other needs.....but I didn't realize how toxic the situation with Wentz had become. And it reverberated thru the team that year with Peterson and the lousy record. But since then, the draft has been amazing, the free agents have been productive and the team is becoming a perennial contender with another Super Bowl under it's belt.
February 28Feb 28 It was almost like a 40 year old man fumbled twice at QB for the Eagles in a playoff game in the very last game before they drafted Hurts.
February 28Feb 28 Look at all the retarded defensive coordinators we have had the last 7-8 years. Fangio has a LOT to do with the Eagles winning it all. Give him a special teamer, edge rusher LB and he turns him into an all star inside LB. Give him rookies- and he starts them and they THRIVE. Give him a mediocre d- line, and they all overachieve. This guy is f_in magic. I don't think they win the playoff OR Super Bowl with out him.
February 28Feb 28 7 hours ago, Talonblood said: Look at all the retarded defensive coordinators we have had the last 7-8 years. Fangio has a LOT to do with the Eagles winning it all. Give him a special teamer, edge rusher LB and he turns him into an all star inside LB. Give him rookies- and he starts them and they THRIVE. Give him a mediocre d- line, and they all overachieve. This guy is f_in magic. I don't think they win the playoff OR Super Bowl with out him. Fangio's great, but the D-line definitely isn't mediocre. Carter is a bona fide superstar. Williams is going to get paid 20 million per year. Davis and Smith are both first rounders and developing into really good players. Sweat's always been a borderline pro-bowl guy. We have a ton of talent there. For my move, maybe I'll just say making Howie GM and sticking with him through various coaching changes. The dude put together an absolute juggernaut of a roster. He's probably the real MVP.
March 1Mar 1 Author On 2/28/2025 at 3:17 AM, Talonblood said: Look at all the retarded defensive coordinators we have had the last 7-8 years. Fangio has a LOT to do with the Eagles winning it all. Give him a special teamer, edge rusher LB and he turns him into an all star inside LB. Give him rookies- and he starts them and they THRIVE. Give him a mediocre d- line, and they all overachieve. This guy is f_in magic. I don't think they win the playoff OR Super Bowl with out him. Jim Schwartz was a legit DC, but Fangio is in a whole different stratosphere. We haven't seen this good of a DC in Philly since Bud Carson.
March 3Mar 3 On 2/24/2025 at 7:13 AM, time2rock said: The move to deal Wentz to the Colts has to be a close 2nd. That singular move set in motion the subsequent moves to land Carter, Brown, Smitty, and Coop. Hard to think we are playing for a championship without all of them on the roster. It has to be this. 3/4 of these guys had touchdowns in the Super Bowl and the odd man out has the sack that saved the season.
March 10Mar 10 On 2/23/2025 at 11:36 PM, Procus said: I was having a talk with somebody about this tonite. Eagles took a couple of steps down after the 2017 team. By the Covid year 2020, the wheels fell off, Dougie was fired, and Wentz wanted out. It looked like a multi year rebuild was in the offing. But by 2021, the team was in the playoffs, and 2022, the SB. With a few more moves, this monster of a roster was assembled and the results speak for themselves. But going back to the question in the title - I'd say drafting Jalen Hurts in 2020 spun the wheels in motion. The headlines and fans were screaming about the Justin Jefferson, Jalen Reagor fiasco. But as so often happens, the importance of drafting Hurts, who grew into being the team's franchise QB, etc. fell under the radar. This move facilitated Wentz' exit from the organization which in turn jump started a series of Howie trades that built a dominant roster. But the transformative move was having the gonads to draft Hurts in the second round and recognizing the simmering issues with Wentz. Dougie's leadership, not being bolstered by a stronger coaching staff, faltered along with the team. Some house cleaning was in order. Hurts survived and became a cornerstone of the team going forward. To me, it all began with the drafting of Hurts in the second round. A gutsy move that paid off handsomely. Any different thoughts? If we go back to where it all started...that would be drafting Lane Johnson. A shutdown tackle. And then every success afterwards added to it.
March 10Mar 10 Author 19 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said: If we go back to where it all started...that would be drafting Lane Johnson. A shutdown tackle. And then every success afterwards added to it. Johnson in my book is the silent MVP of this team. The Eagles do not have a good record when he's down.
March 10Mar 10 On 2/23/2025 at 11:36 PM, Procus said: What move jump started this Eagles team? Easy answer:
March 11Mar 11 The question now becomes, which move will we make that helps to jump start our next title run. <— then we’ll need to revise this emoji
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