38 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They say he banned him for doing something to a kid including one from an attorney for victims, but keep grasping at straws instead of taking the L as you love to say.

3 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

@DrPhilly Mountain is on the other side of the valley.

Grok...

Here are additional sources that discuss Donald Trump banning Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago due to inappropriate behavior toward a teenage girl, specifically the daughter of a club member:

1. CNBC (August 4, 2020): The article reports that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after Epstein allegedly hit on the teenage daughter of another member, as detailed in the book The Grifter’s Club. It notes that Epstein’s membership was closed in October 2007, and a club member stated Trump acted to protect his brand from the potential scandal.

2. Miami Herald (August 4, 2020): This source confirms that Epstein was a Mar-a-Lago member until 2007, when Trump banned him after the incident involving a member’s teenage daughter. Investigative reporter Sarah Blaskey, a co-author of The Grifter’s Club, stated that a club member described the incident as a threat to the Trump brand, prompting Epstein’s removal. The article includes details from Mar-a-Lago’s membership registry, showing Epstein’s account was closed in October 2007.

3. The Independent (August 5, 2020): This report reiterates that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago in 2007 after Epstein harassed a club member’s teenage daughter, as per The Grifter’s Club. It notes the incident led to the closure of Epstein’s account, contradicting earlier Trump Organization claims that Epstein was never a member.

4. Vox (July 23, 2025): The article cites attorney Brad Edwards, who represented Epstein’s victims, stating that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago because Epstein "sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.” While Edwards’ claim lacks corroboration in specific details, it aligns with other reports about the incident involving a member’s daughter.

5. CNN Politics (July 19, 2025): This source references multiple reports, including The Grifter’s Club and a Wall Street Journal article, linking Epstein’s ban from Mar-a-Lago to his alleged overtures toward a teenage daughter of a club member. It notes that Trump’s former aide, Sam Nunberg, also recalled Trump mentioning banning Epstein due to misconduct with a young woman at the club.

These sources consistently point to Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward a teenage girl at Mar-a-Lago as the primary reason for his ban, with the incident occurring around 2007, before Epstein’s 2008 guilty plea. While some sources, like The Washington Post (), mention a 2004 real estate dispute over a Palm Beach property as a possible factor in their falling out, the consensus across these reports emphasizes the misconduct incident as the key reason for the ban. No source conclusively supports the idea that the ban was solely or primarily due to a real estate dispute

here you go

@Diehardfan - Ok, so I asked Grok "did Trump ban Epstein from Mar-A-Largo in order to protect the Trump ban?" and the response is below.

Yes, according to multiple sources, Donald Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after Epstein allegedly harassed or made inappropriate advances toward a teenage daughter of a club member in 2007. The book The Grifter’s Club: Trump, Mar-a-Lago, and the Selling of the Presidency by Miami Herald journalists Sarah Blaskey, Nicholas Nehamas, Jay Weaver, and Caitlin Ostroff reports that Epstein was a member of Mar-a-Lago until October 2007, when his membership was revoked following this incident. A club member recounted that Trump "kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member,” with Blaskey noting that "such an act could irreparably harm the Trump brand, leaving Donald no choice but to remove Epstein.”This suggests that protecting the reputation of the Trump brand was a significant factor in the decision to ban Epstein. However, some sources, like The Washington Post, propose an additional or alternative motive, suggesting the falling out may have been influenced by a 2004 dispute over a Palm Beach property, Maison de l’Amitié, which both men competed to purchase.While the primary narrative from The Grifter’s Club and related reports emphasizes the incident with the club member’s daughter as the key reason, the exact motivation—whether solely to protect the Trump brand, a reaction to Epstein’s behavior, or a combination of factors including the property dispute—remains debated, as Trump himself has not publicly detailed the reasons beyond confirming a falling out.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

here you go

This post brought to you by people who said ALL the sources said it was for the brand when it was actually just two. Take the loss you are picking your ball up and walking it to the hole.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

This post brought to you by people who said ALL the sources said it was for the brand when it was actually just two. Take the loss you are picking your ball up and walking it to the hole.

Do you really want me to dig into the other ones? No doubt they refer to that club member's statement as well. In any case, Grok set you straight.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

@Diehardfan - Ok, so I asked Grok "did Trump ban Epstein from Mar-A-Largo in order to protect the Trump ban?" and the response is below.

Cool. Mine had links not it's opinion if it was for the brand.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Cool. Mine had links not it's opinion if it was for the brand.

Are you saying Grok is wrong?

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Do you really want me to dig into the other ones? No doubt they refer to that club member's statement as well. In any case, Grok set you straight.

If you are that deranged and a sore loser go for it. Start with the one by the attorney representing the victims

Just now, Diehardfan said:

If you are that deranged and a sore loser go for it. Start with the one by the attorney representing the victims

How about we just stick to Grok at this stage? You saying Grok is wrong?

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Are you saying Grok is wrong?

Saying mine had links and you are going to get a different answer every time you ask

Donald Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago around October 2007, according to multiple sources, including the book The Grifter’s Club by Miami Herald journalists. The primary reason cited was Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward the teenage daughter of a Mar-a-Lago member, specifically described as Epstein "hitting on" or "harassing" her. This incident was seen as a potential threat to the Trump brand, as such behavior could damage the reputation of the exclusive club. Sarah Blaskey, a co-author of the book, noted that a club member described the act as something that "could irreparably harm the Trump brand,” leaving Trump no choice but to remove Epstein. Additionally, some reports suggest a concurrent factor: a 2004 dispute over a Palm Beach property, Maison de l’Amitié, where Trump and Epstein were rivals in a bidding war, which Trump won. However, the incident with the teenager appears to be the decisive reason for the ban, as confirmed by Mar-a-Lago’s membership registry, which showed Epstein’s account closed in October 2007, shortly before his 2008 conviction for procuring a child for prostitution.

There’s no evidence Trump was aware of Epstein’s broader criminal activities at the time of the ban, and Trump later claimed he hadn’t spoken to Epstein for about 15 years after their falling out, calling himself "not a fan.” While protecting the Trump brand was a significant concern, the specific trigger was Epstein’s misconduct toward a member’s daughter, not a direct response to his later-confirmed crimes

Just now, DrPhilly said:

How about we just stick to Grok at this stage? You saying Grok is wrong?

I'm saying if you ask Grok it will keep giving other answers. Mine had links.

@Diehardfan

Grok again. I asked Grok "what motivated Trump to ban Epstein?" and the response is below.

Bradley Edwards, in his book Relentless Pursuit: My Fight for the Victims of Jeffrey Epstein, suggests that Donald Trump's motivation for banning Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago was primarily to protect the reputation and integrity of the club. Edwards indicates that Trump took swift action upon learning of Epstein's sexual assault of an underage girl at Mar-a-Lago, implying that Trump’s decision was driven by a desire to distance his property from Epstein’s criminal behavior and to avoid any association with such misconduct. While Edwards does not provide explicit details on Trump’s personal motivations beyond this, the context suggests Trump acted to safeguard his business interests and public image.

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

If you are that deranged and a sore loser go for it. Start with the one by the attorney representing the victims

Grok checked on it for me. Checkmate.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

@Diehardfan

Grok again. I asked Grok "what motivated Trump to ban Epstein?" and the response is below.

Cool...

The CNN and New York Times stories provide additional context on Donald Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and the Mar-a-Lago ban, but they don’t directly contradict the primary reason for the ban being Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward a teenage girl to protect the Trump brand. Here’s a breakdown of relevant details from these sources:CNN Stories:

• A CNN article from July 22, 2025, highlights newly uncovered photos and videos showing Trump and Epstein together at events, including Trump’s 1993 wedding to Marla Maples and a 1999 Victoria’s Secret fashion show. These confirm their close social ties in the 1990s and early 2000s.

• Another CNN piece from July 23, 2025, notes that Attorney General Pam Bondi informed Trump in May 2025 that his name appeared in Epstein’s files, part of a broader Justice Department review. The article references the Mar-a-Lago ban, citing reports that it was due to Epstein’s overtures to the teenage daughter of a club member, aligning with the brand-protection motive. The White House emphasized Trump "kicked him out for being a creep.”

New York Times Stories:

• A July 19, 2025, article details their 15-year friendship, noting they socialized extensively until a falling-out around 2004, before Epstein’s first arrest. It mentions the ban but doesn’t specify the reason, focusing more on their social history.

• A July 20, 2025, piece includes an account from Maria Farmer, a former Epstein employee, who reported a troubling encounter with Trump to the FBI in 1996 and 2006, suggesting scrutiny of their relationship. This doesn’t directly address the ban but highlights concerns about Trump’s association with Epstein.

• Other NYT articles (e.g.,,) discuss Trump’s handling of the Epstein files and political fallout but don’t provide new details on the ban itself.

Analysis: The CNN stories reinforce the narrative that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago due to inappropriate behavior, explicitly linking it to protecting the club’s reputation, as seen in the "creep” comment and references to the 2007 incident with a member’s daughter. The NYT stories, while detailing their long friendship and public scrutiny, don’t offer a specific reason for the ban but corroborate the timeline of their falling-out around 2004-2007, before Epstein’s legal troubles intensified. Neither source suggests a motive beyond brand protection, such as personal moral outrage, as the primary driver. The brand-protection motive remains more likely, given Trump’s documented focus on his business image and the lack of evidence for a deeper personal objection to Epstein’s actions at the time.If you want me to dig deeper into specific aspects of these stories or cross-reference other sources, let me know!

I have no idea what ridiculous point you are trying to make, though past just desperately trying to find something to grab onto. Is brand important to him? Absolutely. HE JUST DID IT TO PROTECT THE BRAND!!! Whatever. Act like a loser.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Grok checked on it for me. Checkmate.

I posted like 5. Women don't like to lose, huh? Again, you were like ALL the sources say that. They don't. Big L on that forehead.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I posted like 5. Women don't like to lose, huh?

Checkmate, you lose. The specific guy you suggested I should look into laid it our clearly in his own book.

I've finished the hole with a birdie. Take another mulligan if you want. I'm heading over to the next tee.

Why don't we just ask Grok why Trump won't release the Epstein list? Easy peasy

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Checkmate, you lose. The specific guy you suggested I should look into laid it our clearly in his own book.

I've finished the hole with a birdie. Take another mulligan if you want. I'm heading over to the next tee.

For starters You said ALL the sources say that. They don't. Big Loss.

Also I just asked

The sources do not indicate that protecting the Trump brand was the only motivation for Donald Trump banning Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago, but it is the most prominently cited reason. The primary trigger for the ban was Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward the teenage daughter of a club member in 2007. Below, I’ll summarize the evidence from the sources to address whether other motivations were involved, focusing solely on the reasons for the ban without assuming brand protection as the sole driver.Key Reasons and Motivations from Sources:

1. Epstein’s Inappropriate Behavior (2007 Incident):

   • CNN (July 22, 2025; July 23, 2025; July 24, 2025): Reports consistently state Trump banned Epstein due to his overtures toward a teenage daughter of a Mar-a-Lago member. The White House labeled Epstein a "creep,” suggesting the behavior itself was unacceptable and prompted the ban.

   • NYT (July 19, 2025): Confirms Trump’s claim to associates, backed by lawyer Brad Edwards, that the ban was due to Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward a member’s daughter.

   • CNBC (August 4, 2020): Cites The Grifter’s Club, stating the ban was due to Epstein hitting on a teenage girl at the club.

   • The Washington Post (July 31, 2019): Notes the ban was linked to Epstein recruiting a young woman for massages, aligning with the 2007 incident.

   • Analysis: This incident is the most consistently cited reason across sources. The motivation appears tied to the specific act, potentially due to its inappropriateness or the risk it posed to the club’s environment, though no source explicitly states Trump’s personal moral stance as the driver.

2. Real Estate Dispute (Maison de l’Amitié):

   • NYT (July 9, 2019): Suggests the falling-out between Trump and Epstein was partly due to a competitive bidding war over the Maison de l’Amitié property in Palm Beach around 2004. Trump outbid Epstein for the property, which may have strained their relationship.

   • The Washington Post (July 31, 2019): Also references the real estate dispute as a factor in their falling-out, noting it preceded the ban.

   • Analysis: This dispute is mentioned as a contributing factor to their broader falling-out, which began around 2004, but it is not directly tied to the 2007 Mar-a-Lago ban in most sources. It suggests a business-related motivation separate from the 2007 incident.

3. Other Potential Motivations:

   • Avoiding Legal or Public Scrutiny: Some sources imply Trump distanced himself from Epstein as his legal troubles began to surface. For example, The Washington Post (July 31, 2019) notes the ban occurred before Epstein’s 2008 guilty plea, suggesting Trump may have acted to avoid association with Epstein’s emerging scandals. However, no source directly confirms this as a primary motivation for the ban.

   • Personal or Social Disapproval: There’s no direct evidence in the sources that Trump banned Epstein out of personal moral outrage or disapproval of his broader activities. The focus remains on the specific 2007 incident and, to a lesser extent, the real estate dispute.

   • X Posts (e.g.,

     @allenanalysis

     ,

     @DOGEQEEN

     ,

     @RickyDoggin

     , July 2025): Public discussions on X mention the ban in context of Epstein "being weird” or the 2004-2007 timeline, but these do not provide primary evidence of additional motivations beyond the 2007 incident or business disputes.

Evaluation:

• Primary Motivation: The 2007 incident involving Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward a teenage girl at Mar-a-Lago is the most consistently cited reason for the ban across all sources (CNN, NYT, CNBC, The Washington Post). This suggests the immediate trigger was addressing Epstein’s actions at the club.

• Other Motivations: The real estate dispute over Maison de l’Amitié is noted as a factor in their earlier falling-out (circa 2004), which may have contributed to the context of the ban but is not directly linked to the 2007 decision. Avoiding association with Epstein’s emerging legal issues is a plausible but unconfirmed secondary motivation, as the ban predates Epstein’s 2008 conviction.

• Brand Protection: While you requested no mention of brand, it’s worth noting (as context) that sources like The Grifter’s Club (via CNBC) and CNN frame the ban as a response to protect Mar-a-Lago’s reputation. However, this is not explicitly stated as the only motivation, and the sources allow for the possibility that the inappropriateness of Epstein’s actions alone was sufficient to prompt the ban.

• Lack of Moral Motivation: No source suggests Trump acted out of personal moral objection to Epstein’s behavior beyond the specific incident at Mar-a-Lago. The focus is on the event itself rather than a broader stance against Epstein’s character or activities.

Conclusion:The ban was primarily motivated by Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward a teenage girl at Mar-a-Lago in 2007, as consistently reported across sources. A prior real estate dispute (circa 2004) likely contributed to their strained relationship, providing a secondary motivation, but it’s not directly tied to the ban itself. There’s no evidence that brand protection was the sole driver, though it’s a significant factor in some accounts. Other potential motivations, like avoiding legal scrutiny, are speculative and not strongly supported. The 2007 incident remains the central reason, likely due to its immediate impact on the club’s environment.If you want me to explore any specific motivation further or check additional sources, let me know!

Another loss. So yeah pick up your ball and move it to the hole and then drive to the next hole.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Why don't we just ask Grok why Trump won't release the Epstein list? Easy peasy

Reasons Trump Has Not Released a Supposed "Epstein Client List":

1. Official Stance: No Client List Exists

   • The Justice Department and FBI’s July 6, 2025, memo explicitly stated that their review found no evidence of a "client list" used by Epstein to blackmail prominent figures. This position suggests there is no list to release, which aligns with statements from Epstein’s former attorney, David Schoen, who claimed no such list is being withheld.

   • The absence of a list could explain Trump’s reluctance to release further documents, as fulfilling demands for a non-existent list is impossible. However, this has fueled skepticism among supporters, given prior promises of transparency.

2. Legal and Procedural Constraints

   • Grand jury testimony and other Epstein-related materials are typically kept secret under federal court rules, only released under specific circumstances, such as for ongoing investigations. The Justice Department has requested the release of grand jury testimony, but this requires court approval, which is not guaranteed and could take weeks or months. A federal judge denied one such request, with two others pending, indicating legal hurdles.

   • Some materials may contain sensitive information, such as child pornography or victims’ personal details, which the DOJ cited as reasons for not releasing additional files. These legal and ethical concerns may limit what Trump’s administration can disclose, regardless of his intentions.

3. Political Backlash and Internal Division

   • Trump faces significant pressure from his MAGA base, who believe a cover-up is protecting influential figures, and from GOP lawmakers like Rep. Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene, who are pushing for transparency via a discharge petition to force a vote on releasing Epstein files. This internal revolt, amplified by influencers like Elon Musk and Laura Loomer, suggests that withholding files could be a strategic move to avoid further fracturing his coalition.

   • Conversely, releasing files could exacerbate political damage if they contain controversial details or fail to satisfy conspiracy-driven supporters who demand more. Trump himself noted that "nothing will be good enough for the troublemakers,” indicating a belief that releasing files may not quell the controversy.

4. Personal Association with Epstein

   • Reports indicate that Attorney General Pam Bondi informed Trump in May 2025 that his name appeared multiple times in Epstein’s files, which may influence his hesitation to release more documents. While Trump denies involvement in Epstein’s crimes and claims he banned him from Mar-a-Lago for inappropriate behavior (the 2007 incident involving a teenage girl), the appearance of his name could fuel speculation about his motives for withholding files.

   • Critics, including some X posts, speculate that Trump’s reluctance is due to his own inclusion in the files, though no public evidence ties him to Epstein’s criminal activities. Trump’s administration counters that he banned Epstein for being a "creep,” aligning with the 2007 incident, and denies any wrongdoing.

5. Strategic Deflection and Focus on Other Priorities

   • Trump has called the Epstein controversy a "Democratic hoax” and urged supporters to move on, suggesting he views it as a distraction from his administration’s achievements, such as tax legislation and foreign policy successes. He has deflected by blaming Democrats and the media, indicating a desire to shift focus to less divisive issues.

   • House Speaker Mike Johnson’s decision to start the August recess early to avoid a vote on Epstein files suggests an effort to de-escalate the issue within the GOP, aligning with Trump’s attempts to downplay it.

Connection to the Mar-a-Lago Ban:As established in prior responses, Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago in 2007 primarily due to Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward a teenage daughter of a club member, with a secondary factor being a real estate dispute over Maison de l’Amitié around 2004. No source directly links the ban to the current debate over releasing a supposed "client list." However, Trump’s past association with Epstein, including their 15-year friendship and the 2007 ban, fuels speculation about his motives for not releasing files. His administration’s narrative that he distanced himself from Epstein for being a "creep” is used to counter claims that he’s withholding files to protect himself or others.

Other Possible Motivations for Not Releasing Files:

• Conspiracy Theory Blowback: Trump and allies like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino previously amplified theories about a "deep state” cover-up of Epstein’s files, creating expectations among supporters that he cannot fully meet now that he’s in power. This has led to accusations of inconsistency, as noted by critics like Hakeem Jeffries, who called it a "leopards-eating-faces moment.”

• Limited New Information: Former prosecutors like Sarah Krissoff argue that grand jury testimony, even if released, is unlikely to provide significant new details compared to existing public records from civil lawsuits and Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial, potentially reducing the incentive to pursue further releases.

• Administrative Inconsistency: Pam Bondi’s handling of the issue has been criticized as inconsistent, with her February 2025 claim of a "client list” on her desk contradicted by the July memo denying its existence. This suggests possible mismanagement or shifting political calculations within the administration.

Conclusion:Trump’s reasons for not releasing a supposed "Epstein client list” include the Justice Department’s claim that no such list exists, legal constraints on disclosing grand jury materials, political risks from internal GOP and MAGA backlash, and concerns about his own association with Epstein, as his name appears in the files. The 2007 Mar-a-Lago ban, driven by Epstein’s inappropriate behavior toward a teenage girl, is cited by Trump’s team to distance him from Epstein but does not directly explain the current withholding of files. Instead, the decision appears driven by a combination of legal, political, and strategic factors, with Trump attempting to deflect attention to avoid further controversy. The lack of a confirmed list and the complexity of unsealing sensitive materials likely limit his ability to satisfy demands for transparency, while his past promises and association with Epstein amplify public skepticism.

If you need further details on any specific aspect or additional source analysis, let me know!

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

For starters

Checkmate, you lose

23 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

How about we just stick to Grok at this stage? You saying Grok is wrong?

Again, how about we stick to your statement that started this. All the stories, which was clearly wrong after even you moved it to two and would have to research the others to see.

Grok gave you that and then above said, "There’s no evidence that brand protection was the sole driver, though it’s a significant factor in some accounts."

You want it to just be about brand. It's not. If you think Grok told you it was then it contradicted itself right there OR it's a factor but not the sole driver you want it to be.

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Checkmate, you lose

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Again, how about we stick to your statement that started this. All the stories, which was clearly wrong after even you moved it to two and would have to research the others to see.

Grok gave you that and then above said, "There’s no evidence that brand protection was the sole driver, though it’s a significant factor in some accounts."

You want it to just be about brand. It's not. If you think Grok told you it was then it contradicted itself right there OR it's a factor but not the sole driver you want it to be.

tldr

checkmate

Just now, DrPhilly said:

tldr

checkmate

Yeah 3 sentences are wayyyyyy long. So you have nothing other than that word on repeat.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah

yep, checkmate it is

Just now, DrPhilly said:

yep, checkmate it is