May 13May 13 9 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:If they are true, then shame on him and that shows a lack of ethics on his part. If they are made up, then shame on her and someone should look into why she made up these allegations.To create breaking scandal ethical, obviously.
May 13May 13 1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:Right, he is the most principled conservative in congress. That means his policies are more conservative in nature than anyone else in congress. His defense of the bill of rights. His fight to decrease spending. And just his general stance that he is in favor of a limited federal government to the maximum extent practical.That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he is morally ethical. He may very well be unethical, what does that have to do with his policy stances and whether or not they lean conservative or liberal.That would be like someone saying "Pete Rose is the greatest fundamental hitter in the game of baseball” and then you bringing up him betting on baseball in response.What does one have to do with the other?You’re acting like "principled” is purely about policy positions when that word absolutely has a character and integrity component to it too.If you called someone "the most conservative member of Congress,” that would be different. But "principled” naturally implies morals, ethics, and integrity to most people who aren't ill. Your Pete Rose analogy doesn’t really fit because "greatest hitter” is strictly about skill. "Principled” is a judgment about the person themselves.
May 13May 13 Just now, Diehardfan said:You’re acting like "principled” is purely about policy positions when that word absolutely has a character and integrity component to it too.If you called someone "the most conservative member of Congress,” that would be different. But "principled” naturally implies morals, ethics, and integrity to most people who aren't ill.Your Pete Rose analogy doesn’t really fit because "greatest hitter” is strictly about skill. "Principled” is a judgment about the person themselves.
May 13May 13 2 minutes ago, paco said:You really try so hard but suck at this. But then again mentally ill people always think they are smart and sane.
May 13May 13 Me: Bil Clinton was the most moderate president of my life time.Diehard: but he cheated on his wife multiple times! How can you say he was a moderate?Me: well yeah he’s a POS husband and father. What does that have to do with where his policies leaned?
May 13May 13 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:You really try so hard but suck at thisI'll try to get better at following breaking scandal ethical.
May 13May 13 Just now, Phillyterp85 said:Me: Bil Clinton was the most moderate president of my life time.Diehard: but he cheated on his wife multiple times! How can you say he was a moderate?Me: well yeah he’s a POS husband and father. What does that have to do with where his policies leaned?Ethical? No. Would I ever use principled? No. Moderate? Yeah, we agree on that, which is why I've said numerous times I liked him. Got into a fight with one or two of the other crazy people on here about that.
May 13May 13 Just now, paco said:I'll try to get better at following breaking scandal ethical.Try to put the grammar flashlight down. It shows your crazy OCD side too much. We know you are an uptight a-hole but still.
May 13May 13 Van, Paco, and Doc at it again 😂1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:you really do get weird at times - like really, really, weird. that said, i'm going to sit back and stay out of this debate and let you have this generational gotcha moment you found with the massie "scandal".i have to admit, it's nice to see you finally care about such things.good job, tiger.
May 13May 13 3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:You’re acting like "principled” is purely about policy positions when that word absolutely has a character and integrity component to it too.If you called someone "the most conservative member of Congress,” that would be different. But "principled” naturally implies morals, ethics, and integrity to most people who aren't ill.Your Pete Rose analogy doesn’t really fit because "greatest hitter” is strictly about skill. "Principled” is a judgment about the person themselves.No, principled absolutely does not imply anything about morality when I was clearly talking about his political stances. And even followed that statement up by giving examples of his stances and why I feel he’s the most principled conservative in congress.Ok fine Pete Rose is the most true professional hitter in all of baseball. By your logic, you’d say im claiming that he’s an upstanding person since the term "professional” can be used to describe someone’s character.
May 13May 13 1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:Van, Paco, and Doc at it again 😂you really do get weird at times - like really, really, weird. that said, i'm going to sit back and stay out of this debate and let you have this generational gotcha moment you found with the massie "scandal".i have to admit, it's nice to see you finally care about such things.good job, tiger.Not weird to call it how it is. Humping Massie, humping each other that's weird. To think it all started with Doc talking about how great of a guy Massie was. Such bad timing.
May 13May 13 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:No, principled absolutely does not imply anything about morality when I was clearly talking about his political stances. And even followed that statement up by giving examples of his stances and why I feel he’s the most principled conservative in congress.Ok fine Pete Rose is the most true professional hitter in all of baseball. By your logic, you’d say im claiming that he’s an upstanding person since the term "professional” can be used to describe someone’s character.Your Pete Rose analogy is bad because "professional hitter” only describes a baseball skill, while "principled” is literally a judgment about someone’s principles and values. People don’t hear "principled” and think oh he just means politically consistent. Most people hear it as praise of the person. If you meant he sticks to his positions no matter what then say consistent or ideologically rigid. Pretending nobody could reasonably interpret "principled” as moral praise is just dumb.
May 13May 13 9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Try to put the grammar flashlight down. It shows your crazy OCD side too much. We know you are an uptight a-hole but still.I may an uptight a-hole but I've never been breaking scandal ethical. So I got that going for me.
May 13May 13 6 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:Van, Paco, and Doc at it again 😂you really do get weird at times - like really, really, weird. that said, i'm going to sit back and stay out of this debate and let you have this generational gotcha moment you found with the massie "breaking scandal ethical".i have to admit, it's nice to see you finally care about such things.good job, tiger.FYPSorry for being an uptight a hole
May 13May 13 Just now, paco said:I may an uptight a-hole but I've never been breaking scandal ethical. So I got that going for me.Out of context you sure do got that going for you. If you call someone with a breaking scandal ethical it would be just fine.
May 13May 13 Just now, paco said:FYPSorry for being an uptight a holeIt's what OCD people do. It is a mental health condition, so it fits
May 13May 13 This might be my favorite DieHardOnAHillFan-ism.Any other person except maybe WGB would be like "F, I typed that out wrong\didn't finish an edit\etc" laugh about it and move on.Not DieHardOnAHillFan. nO, WhAt i WRoTE wAs rITe! or OmG yOu MuST hAvE mENtAl IsSuEs.Boris' donger must be smaller than TJ's fighting over nothingburgers like that
May 13May 13 3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Your Pete Rose analogy is bad because "professional hitter” only describes a baseball skill, while "principled” is literally a judgment about someone’s principles and values. People don’t hear "principled” and think oh he just means politically consistent. Most people hear it as praise of the person. If you meant he sticks to his positions no matter what then say consistent or ideologically rigid. Pretending nobody could reasonably interpret "principled” as moral praise is just dumb.I said he’s the most principled conservative. That means his political stances are more true to conservative principles than others. I even followed it up by providing examples of what I meant. That’s literally all there is to it. It’s not my fault that you are having trouble comprehending those very simple sentences that I wrote.This conversation is also hilarious for another reason: in this conversation you are throwing in the trash one of the most fundamental American principles of all: The presumption of innocence.All we have at this point are un-coorborated allegations. And just like that you are already claiming his guilt and saying he’s a POS an unethical.The American patriotism, it just oozes out of you.
May 13May 13 9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: People don’t hear "principled” and think oh he just means politically consistent. Most people hear it as praise of the person. If you meant he sticks to his positions no matter what then say consistent or ideologically rigid. Pretending nobody could reasonably interpret "principled” as moral praise is just dumb.They would when used in the context of a person's adherence to conservative principles........"If you meant he sticks to his positions no matter what then say consistent or ideologically rigid"LOLOLOL. Diehard: I don't have to listen to your demands that I answer very simple follow questions about my claims!Also Diehard: You must talk like I'm telling you to talk!
May 13May 13 9 minutes ago, paco said:This might be my favorite DieHardOnAHillFan-ism.Any other person except maybe WGB would be like "F, I typed that out wrong\didn't finish an edit\etc" laugh about it and move on.Not DieHardOnAHillFan. nO, WhAt i WRoTE wAs rITe! or OmG yOu MuST hAvE mENtAl IsSuEs.Boris' donger must be smaller than TJ's fighting over nothingburgers like that Doctor Rick: This is a message board. Stop being a Karen like your parents.
May 13May 13 5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:They would when used in the context of a person's adherence to conservative principles........"If you meant he sticks to his positions no matter what then say consistent or ideologically rigid"LOLOLOL.Diehard: I don't have to listen to your demands that I answer very simple follow questions about my claims!Also Diehard: You must talk like I'm telling you to talk!Like I said you all are honestly crazy. But keep humping Massie. Great day to do that.
May 13May 13 21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Your Pete Rose analogy is bad because "professional hitter” only describes a baseball skill, while "principled” is literally a judgment about someone’s principles and values. People don’t hear "principled” and think oh he just means politically consistent. Most people hear it as praise of the person. If you meant he sticks to his positions no matter what then say consistent or ideologically rigid. Pretending nobody could reasonably interpret "principled” as moral praise is just dumb.37 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:100% guaranteed that he sticks with the "I don’t know what these words mean” defense
May 13May 13 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Like I said you all are honestly crazy. But keep humping Massie. Great day to do that.no one is "humping" Massie. Do you disagree that he holds more true to conservative principles in his voting record than pretty much every other member of Congress? If so, then please provide some examples.
May 13May 13 23 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Your Pete Rose analogy is bad because "professional hitter” only describes a baseball skillLOL yeah it describes a baseball skill when the word "hitter" is placed after the word "professional". Just like the phrase "principled conservative" describes someone's adherence to conservative principles when the word "conservative" is placed after the word "principled".But the word "professional" can absolutely be used to describes someone's character in other contexts. For instance, calling someone a "true professional" typically describes someone who is honest in their endeavors and has a great work ethic. Someone who doesn't cut corners. Someone who goes by the book. So I definitely wouldn't make the statement that Pete Rose was a "true professional". He bet on the game, which is a huge no-no and carries with it ethical qualms.Did I say Massie was the most principled person in congress? No. That statement wouldn't even make sense. How would I be able to even make such a claim? I have no idea whether or not he is a moral person. I don't know him personally. I don't whether or not he has skeletons in his closet. But, this is America, and in America you are innocent until proven guilty. So why would I stake any claim to Massie's morality in this situation when we haven't had a conclusion to it yet?Do you have some insight to evidence that have only been shown to your special eyes to make a determination that he isn't a moral person?
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