18 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

Hard to say about times when Hurts kept the ball and "gave up". Was it a busted play? Did he keep it because handing it off could have made it worse (botched handoff)? It's good to be putting your body on the line to inspire teammates with toughness, but being unavailable due to injury is a net negative as a result of that. Is there a time for that pending the situation? Absolutely. But on a random 2nd and 5 midway through a 2nd quarter of a game...meh.

That's a whole other argument. Every time a QB goes back to pass he's risking a significant injury, yet we only ever hear about run risk. So in the grand scheme of things it's better to convert that 2nd and 5, extend the drive, hopefully scoring points and increasing a lead so your starters can come out of a game earlier --- which is the only sure-fire way to avoid injury risk. If you win a couple more games, you could also potentially be resting your star players in the final couple regular season games.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

That's a whole other argument. Every time a QB goes back to pass he's risking a significant injury, yet we only ever hear about run risk. So in the grand scheme of things it's better to convert that 2nd and 5, extend the drive, hopefully scoring points and increasing a lead so your starters can come out of a game earlier --- which is the only sure-fire way to avoid injury risk. If you win a couple more games, you could also potentially be resting your star players in the final couple regular season games.

I'll disagree with that, in general. Every player is at risk on every play for an injury. A QB who makes himself a runner is "extra" exposure, particularly in a cumulative way over the course of a season. For QBs who have the skill to run (and therefore it is part of their game), there has to be a balance. In 2022, he hurt his shoulder on a run and we had to go through the next 2 weeks needing 1 more win to get the bye and couldn't. Hurts had to play in the season finale because we needed the W for the bye. Luckily we got it, but the point is...he was hurt on a run play. If he was hurt any worse on that play, we very likely don't make the SB.

Speaking of keeping the QB and OLine safer...

Let's get rid of that stupid Tush Push play.

On 6/22/2026 at 2:45 PM, EazyEaglez said:

Pretty much sums it all up.

He has great stats. The problem is that 15% of the vocal fan base are morons living in 1995 where passing yards per game was important.

Top 20 all-time in passer rating.

Top 12 all time in TD to INT

He has 8 more rushing TDs than Saquon and Saquon was drafted 2 years earlier.

30+ TDs 4 years in a row is absolutely elite level.

He only averages 215.8 yards per game if you are an imbecile.

People with functioning brains understand that rushing yards also count.

He also has 41 rushing yards per game so the real number is 256.8 yards per game from 2021-present.

Stafford is at 262.3 and 2.1 for 264.4 yards per game 2021-present.

What kind of moron thinks 7.6 yards per game, less TDs, and less winning gives Stafford good stats and Hurts bad stats?

Hurts 164 TDs in 78 games 2.1 per game Stafford 142 TDs in 74 games 1.92 per game.

Hurts is 56-22. Stafford is 46-28

Hurts passer rating from 2022 to present is 97.5. Stafford from 2022 to present is 97.2

The answer is 15 to 20% of the EMB. Its flat earth level stupidity. They are seeing things that are not real.

These morons are also caught up in 2025 stats only. Career Hurts wipes the floor with career Stafford in most every way.

The Stafford lickers think 2021 and 2025 are the only seasons that count.

Stafford went to one SB because he threw the ball into Jaquiski's chest and Jaquiski dropped it.

He was decent but not great in that SB. I doubt he ranks top 30 in performance.

Rewatch Stafford's playoff games from 2025. He SUCKED.

He tried turn the ball over so often with fumbles and picks and got lucky with bounces and drops.

His team went 3 and out in OT vs Chicago and Chicago had a WR brain meltdown.

Caleb Williams threw the ball where the WR did not go. The win was not because of Stafford.

He played 8-9 Carolina even and only that because they had a massive defensive injury late in the playoff game.

He was getting blown out vs Seattle with a hideous late pick and then Riq Woolen had a drop and a psychotic break.

Hurts passer rating from 2023 to present is 97.5. Mahomes 2022 to present is 95.7

Hurts outplayed him in 2 Super Bowls.

He is clearly and obviously better than Mahomes from 2022 present.

2018-2022 Mahomes was a god.

1988 playoffs through 1989 playoffs Montana was a god.

1984-1986 Marino was a god.

Brady from age 30+ was a god.

Compared to everyone else (or the rest of those guy's careers), Hurts is on a clear and obvious HoF path.

Make a list of the elite QBs right now. Now tell me how Hurts does against them head to head.

So besides being an elite dual threat, stats, winning, winning in the playoffs, winning and dominating in SBs, and dominating head to head vs elite QBs... what's so great about him? 🤡

10 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

I'll disagree with that, in general. Every player is at risk on every play for an injury. A QB who makes himself a runner is "extra" exposure, particularly in a cumulative way over the course of a season. For QBs who have the skill to run (and therefore it is part of their game), there has to be a balance. In 2022, he hurt his shoulder on a run and we had to go through the next 2 weeks needing 1 more win to get the bye and couldn't. Hurts had to play in the season finale because we needed the W for the bye. Luckily we got it, but the point is...he was hurt on a run play. If he was hurt any worse on that play, we very likely don't make the SB.

Burrow is Mr drop back and dude breaks like china on a wood floor every 8-10 games or so.

Steve Young ran his entire career. He got hurt in the pocket when Larry Phillips whiff blocked.

Randall's 2 injuries were in the pocket.

Chunky Soup 5 got mangled in the pocket in 2002.

Fat and brittle older McNabb got hurt a bunch and he stopped running after some guy who is in hell now hurt his feelings.

Foles 2x in the pocket.

Rodgers 2x in the pocket.

Brady in the pocket.

The running QB injury stuff is a lie.

Hurts ran stupid vs Chicago in 2022 and got hurt by charging a 233 lb linebacker.

He is a much smarter runner now.

Running like 2025 Trump licker in NY will get you hospitalized.

7 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Burrow is Mr drop back and dude breaks like china on a wood floor every 8-10 games or so.

Steve Young ran his entire career. He got hurt in the pocket when Larry Phillips whiff blocked.

Randall's 2 injuries were in the pocket.

Chunky Soup 5 got mangled in the pocket in 2002.

Fat and brittle older McNabb got hurt a bunch and he stopped running after some guy who is in hell now hurt his feelings.

Foles 2x in the pocket.

Rodgers 2x in the pocket.

Brady in the pocket.

The running QB injury stuff is a lie.

Hurts ran stupid vs Chicago in 2022 and got hurt by charging a 233 lb linebacker.

He is a much smarter runner now.

Running like 2025 Trump licker in NY will get you hospitalized.

So, according to your logic...if any QB gets hurt while running the ball, they're doing it wrong. LOL

I'm not debating statistics about QBs who get hurt running vs in the pocket. That doesn't matter. What I'm talking about is the extra exposure to sustaining an injury when running. Whether it's by a big hit, going down hard, or sustaining a non-contact injury.

18 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

I'll disagree with that, in general. Every player is at risk on every play for an injury. A QB who makes himself a runner is "extra" exposure, particularly in a cumulative way over the course of a season. For QBs who have the skill to run (and therefore it is part of their game), there has to be a balance. In 2022, he hurt his shoulder on a run and we had to go through the next 2 weeks needing 1 more win to get the bye and couldn't. Hurts had to play in the season finale because we needed the W for the bye. Luckily we got it, but the point is...he was hurt on a run play. If he was hurt any worse on that play, we very likely don't make the SB.

The following year, Hurts dislocated a finger on his throwing hand in the season finale while making a pass, didn't practice the next week, and we were 1 and done in the playoffs. Even the game you mentioned, Hurts stayed in the game, still making throws, and still running. Resting him for the next 2 games was a luxury, not something necessary. The bottom line is Hurts is pretty durable. A guy like Joe Burrow is not. The less durable player is more likely to get injured than the durable one. The only Injury Hurts sustained that he has not been able to play though was the concussion and that was because the league wouldn't allow it. Hurts tried to stay in the game. In the old days, he would have stayed.

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The following year, Hurts dislocated a finger on his throwing hand in the season finale while making a pass, didn't practice the next week, and we were 1 and done in the playoffs. Even the game you mentioned, Hurts stayed in the game, still making throws, and still running. Resting him for the next 2 games was a luxury, not something necessary. The bottom line is Hurts is pretty durable. A guy like Joe Burrow is not. The less durable player is more likely to get injured than the durable one. The only Injury Hurts sustained that he has not been able to play though was the concussion and that was because the league wouldn't allow it. Hurts tried to stay in the game. In the old days, he would have stayed.

I'll disagree with that, too. He had to play in the season finale because they couldn't secure the 1 seed without him. It certainly wasn't a "luxury" to sit him those 2 games...he was legit hurt, and they would have preferred for him to not have to play until the divisional round.

In any case, I can't see any argument that is against the fact that running QBs expose themselves more to injury. Hurts, for that matter, was said to not want to run anymore. There was a credible report last year about him not wanting designed runs in the game plan. So...guess we will see if that's the case this year too.

7 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

So, according to your logic...if any QB gets hurt while running the ball, they're doing it wrong. LOL

I'm not debating statistics about QBs who get hurt running vs in the pocket. That doesn't matter. What I'm talking about is the extra exposure to sustaining an injury when running. Whether it's by a big hit, going down hard, or sustaining a non-contact injury.

exposure in the pocket is the most dangerous spot in all of sports

nothing else is close

14 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

I'll disagree with that, too. He had to play in the season finale because they couldn't secure the 1 seed without him. It certainly wasn't a "luxury" to sit him those 2 games...he was legit hurt, and they would have preferred for him to not have to play until the divisional round.

In any case, I can't see any argument that is against the fact that running QBs expose themselves more to injury. Hurts, for that matter, was said to not want to run anymore. There was a credible report last year about him not wanting designed runs in the game plan. So...guess we will see if that's the case this year too.

He finished the game in Chicago and proved he could play through the pain. All the reports from the team stated it was not an injury that was at risk of worsening and that it simply created a pain level the player would have to overcome. It was a mild strain (grade 1). It was, in fact, a luxury to sit him out the next two weeks because we only needed a single win to get the #1 seed. He played the finale and earned another week of rest for the entire team.

As far as arguments you can't see --- I don't think you're even considering or may just be overlooking the argument that states that runners are usually able to position their bodies in a way to absorb hits unlike QBs standing in a pocket or a WR tracking a ball.

Then let's take a look at Jalen specifically. In his career, he averages about 8.4 rushes per game. I don't know the actual data on QB sneaks for him, but I think it's safe to assume he averages at least 2 per game. I believe he's also close to averaging about 1 kneel down per game (victory formation or closing the half). That leaves around 5 carries that are either scrambles, read options or QB draws. How many of those runs do you really think he's at an increased risk compared to a pass play (knowing Jalen has statistically been near the league lead every season in time to throw) ?

Jalen has played through a lot of pain. He could have played through more if we needed him to. He said he could have played on the sprained ankle in 2021. He clearly played with the shoulder strain. He came back in even with the dislocated finger (until Sirianni made the executive decision to call that game). He tried to stay in with the concussion. He came back in every other game where he had to come off the field for a ding (including the Miami game where he hurt his leg on a pass play).

I conclude that the risk is minuscule and not worth sacrificing a few downs in close games. He can minimize contact by angling for the sideline or sliding after a gain, but there is no reason to ever take a loss to avoid contact. That is straight up Jim Everett stuff.

Jolene Hurts?

I fully support Jalen Hurts as the starting QB for the Eagles. Is he perfect? No. Nobody is. One thing about him is that despite some inconsistency here and there that bothers everyone, when the pressure builds, his performance tends to elevate as well. When the Eagles are in a gotta-have-it situation, he tends to deliver most of the time. That's the opposite of McNabb, Cunningham, Jaworski, and a bunch of other shrinking violets over the years who folded under the greatest pressure (of course Foles isn't in that group.)

Now, he has to once again learn an entirely new offense, just like every single year in college and the NFL. This offense is allegedly going to be more under center, have more play action, more timing routes, etc. This new play style likely will be a challenge for him, but I expect him to rise and meet that challenge, just like every other time. He works hard, gives it his all, and usually finds a way to win. He's a winner and to me, that's a lot better than the alternative.

Time will tell if the new offense proves a poor match for his skill set. Time will tell if the result is that he diminishes. As for me, I'm betting against it. I think he'll keep winning. That's who he is. After all, isn't an occasional ugly win better than a beautifully played close loss? I think so.

On 6/27/2026 at 12:09 AM, brkmsn said:

He finished the game in Chicago and proved he could play through the pain. All the reports from the team stated it was not an injury that was at risk of worsening and that it simply created a pain level the player would have to overcome. It was a mild strain (grade 1). It was, in fact, a luxury to sit him out the next two weeks because we only needed a single win to get the #1 seed. He played the finale and earned another week of rest for the entire team.

As far as arguments you can't see --- I don't think you're even considering or may just be overlooking the argument that states that runners are usually able to position their bodies in a way to absorb hits unlike QBs standing in a pocket or a WR tracking a ball.

Then let's take a look at Jalen specifically. In his career, he averages about 8.4 rushes per game. I don't know the actual data on QB sneaks for him, but I think it's safe to assume he averages at least 2 per game. I believe he's also close to averaging about 1 kneel down per game (victory formation or closing the half). That leaves around 5 carries that are either scrambles, read options or QB draws. How many of those runs do you really think he's at an increased risk compared to a pass play (knowing Jalen has statistically been near the league lead every season in time to throw) ?

Jalen has played through a lot of pain. He could have played through more if we needed him to. He said he could have played on the sprained ankle in 2021. He clearly played with the shoulder strain. He came back in even with the dislocated finger (until Sirianni made the executive decision to call that game). He tried to stay in with the concussion. He came back in every other game where he had to come off the field for a ding (including the Miami game where he hurt his leg on a pass play).

I conclude that the risk is minuscule and not worth sacrificing a few downs in close games. He can minimize contact by angling for the sideline or sliding after a gain, but there is no reason to ever take a loss to avoid contact. That is straight up Jim Everett stuff.

Not questioning Hurts' toughness. Players play hurt all the time...the question really is how effective they are playing that way. I'm not saying Hurts couldn't have powered through and played, the question would have been how effective he would have been and if he would have taken another hit to worsen his shoulder. Playing the rest of a game is different than playing the following week. Clearly, the team wanted to sit him and only played him when we had to.

I get what you're saying, I just don't look at it the same way. To me, it's literally common sense that if a QB runs, he opens up the possibility for further injury risk. Whether he takes a big hit or suffers a non-contact injury. That is in addition to being vulnerable in the pocket.

Regardless, I do hope Hurts runs more this year. The offense needs that to be a big part of his game.

The reports from the team were saying the injury wasn't something that was at risk of getting worse and was just a pain-tolerance issue. We had what appeared to be a pretty easy (weak) final 3 games on our schedule and only needed 1 more win to seal the #1 seed thanks to Hurts playing through the pain in Chicago and ensuring that win. Unfortunately, Minshew barely even practiced with the team those two weeks because of the funeral and we lost to two weak teams.

I'll always disagree with the argument that claims if a player does a certain thing in addition to another thing, that it increases his risk of injury. The risk doesn't change until that player is off the field. They used to say we couldn't use Brian Westbrook as a PR because it would increase his injury risk. So instead of getting 13.5 yards per punt return, we settled for Mahe's 7 yards, starting 6 yards further back after punts. So statistically, Westbrook needed to play 1 more down on offense to make up the difference. QBs will get hurt passing or running. PRs will occasionally get hurt. But I think some coaches are just afraid of the fallout after a "what if" scenario actually happens (like when the commanders tried to pad Jayden Daniels' stats in a game they couldn't win and then later rushed him back). So fans have this pseudo-belief that the risk is greater than it is.

If they play, there is risk.

Haven't been a big fan of his style, but if you arent supportive of him as the current eagles qb, you are brain dead. He may not win the way you want, but he does win. Cant take it away from him.

On 6/29/2026 at 3:21 PM, Shalodeep said:

Haven't been a big fan of his style, but if you arent supportive of him as the current eagles qb, you are brain dead. He may not win the way you want, but he does win. Cant take it away from him.

Did anyone have a problem with his style in 2022?

3701 passing yards over 15 games with the Siri anchor in most 4th quarters and some 3rd quarters?

3701 and 22 TDs over 15 is 4194 and 25 over 17.

He had another 760 and 13 TDs on the ground. That's 861 and 15 TDs over 17

4461 and 35 in 15 games with the coach limiting the offense.

Add them up and its 4562 and 40 TDs over 17. This is not enough style?

Take Siri's foot of the brakes and its pushing 5k and 45+ easy.

If anyone is so poisoned against Hurts that they are incapable of rational thought then think of it this way.

QB1 was throwing and Siri shut him down way too often.

1496 and 11 AJ Brown should have had around 1850 and 14 without Siri meddling.

1196 and 7 DeVonta Smith could have had 1450 and 10.

Josh Allen was MVP in 2022 with 4255 and 43 in 17*

He token started a game 17 for a fake streak so its fair to say 4521 and 46 over 17

Lamar was MVP in 2023 with 3678 and 24 passing and 821 and 5 rushing in 16 games.

That's 4780 and 31 over 17.

That pace is with Siri holding the entire offense back while we raged on the game day threads.

A 5000 and 45 pace was easily in range with the talent and his performance.

He was 2nd team all-pro QB behind Mahomes and he was 2nd in MVP voting.

Mahomes and Hurts then met in the SB and Hurts was awesome.

Hurts was clearly and obviously beyond any doubt one of the two best QBs in 2022.

Josh Allen had 19 turnovers that year. Buffalo had a legit shot at 16-0. (no 17th game due to the Damar Hamlin injury)

They lost 3 games by a total of 8 points. Allen had 11 sacks, 4 picks, 6 fumbles, 2 lost in those 3 games.

Imagine if Hurts did that in this town...

There was zero possibility for Hurts to perform at that same level with the OCs in 2023 and 2025 and obvious run heavy offense in 2024.

Anyone think he should have put up 4000+ passing and 35 TDs in year 1 as a starter with:

Watkins

Raegor

JJAW

Ward

splitting 131 targets?

He had those idiots at OC in 2023 and 2025 and still vastly outplayed most other QBs in non-optimal years

Look at the joke that is Stafford 2022-24 (22-18 record 2 to 1 TD to INT 91.5 passer rating and NOTHING to help the run game)

Look at every year of Jim Kelly's career that is not 90 or 91.

Look at Marino from 1987-1999

Look at Rivers most of the 2010s.

2024 Hurts was a vital part of a dominant run game that set the record for rushing yards in a combined season and won the SB scoring the most points in playoff history... how dare he not throw more and maybe lose an extra game or two? 55-23 and 40-6 + garbage time was not enough style?

The problem is never with his clear and obvious HoF level play through 5 years as a starter Jalen Hurts.

Its always with the people who are unable to comprehend anything about NFL QB play.