EMB University Poll 😉. Let's settle this once & for all! Very simple question. Yes on Hurts? No on Hurts? Or Neutral? Seeking answers, if there is a true divide amongst Eagles fans about QB1. Kept this anonymous, so vote away.

Can't replace him yet anyway

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can't replace him yet anyway

The Poll is about current sentiment of the Eagles fanbase. Let's see the current pulse of this so called debate in here.

I support him until you can replace him. It's the team for me. Not the player

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I support him until you can replace him. It's the team for me. Not the player

It's always about the team. Which really draws me to this QB. Doesn't care about personal stats. Cares about WINNING. That's it. He's pretty good at that thus far.

36 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

It's always about the team. Which really draws me to this QB. Doesn't care about personal stats. Cares about WINNING. That's it. He's pretty good at that thus far.

That's where we break away

With that logic a player on this team sitting on the bench while WINNING is a great player because he's got the same w/l record as everyone else

Just now, Mike030270 said:

That's where we break away

With that logic a player on this team sitting on the bench while WINNING is a great player because he's got the same w/l record as everyone else

Don't be foolish. When it's the starting QB, it's measurable. A guy that doesn't play, there is nothing to debate. QB impacts the game like no other position on the field. Thus, the gigantic salaries that they earn. So you are basically saying any schmo would put up wins like Hurts does. Do you remember games where Minshew or Mariota played? Could see the drop-off instantly. You have a legitimate top 10-15 QB right now. With a good bounce back year he can go right back in the Top 5. And this is all null and void.

A QB and offense can absolutely be carried by a defense. There are so many examples and even recent ones that I shouldn't need to give

Texans have a Superbowl quality defense, but a brain dead QB. Can't just win with anyone. Need quality at the postion to pull his weight and then some.

Hurts is our best chance at a SB win this year and maybe next year too.

All those yards Brown had the past five years? Someone threw him the ball.

14 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

That's where we break away

With that logic a player on this team sitting on the bench while WINNING is a great player because he's got the same w/l record as everyone else

Come on now. Obviously a guy actually playing on the field deserves more credit than someone on the bench doing nothing.

Everyone knows the QB is the most important position and the offense runs through the QB. Media have talked about QB win/loss record for as long as I can remember.

The boared has been pretty realistic except for the dope (56 year of Mike born on March 2) who equated a bench player with a starting quarterback.

We'd better support him. Think about it, what's the alternative. McKee hasn't shown he can start and is a free agent at the end of the year.

The Eagles will be drafting in the middle of the pack at worst and at the bottom at best. Do you reallt think they can gt the 4th or 5th QB and he'll be bo Nix?

There's a great question people have to ask themselves when they take a position and it comes to fruition. AND THEN WHAT?

40 minutes ago, Rob331 said:

The boared has been pretty realistic except for the dope (56 year of Mike born on March 2) who equated a bench player with a starting quarterback.

We'd better support him. Think about it, what's the alternative. McKee hasn't shown he can start and is a free agent at the end of the year.

The Eagles will be drafting in the middle of the pack at worst and at the bottom at best. Do you reallt think they can gt the 4th or 5th QB and he'll be bo Nix?

There's a great question people have to ask themselves when they take a position and it comes to fruition. AND THEN WHAT?

A benched player and a starting QB have the same winning record. Winning is a TEAM accolade you dope

Also it's not a birth date

We had injured players in our first SB win get a ring because they were on the team even though they didn't play a single snap

@HazletonEagle couldn’t make it in but said clock him for support, twice if you can

Support.

He’s their best chance at QB to get another SB Trophy. For the next 2 - 3 years.

Pretty much sums it all up.

The phrasing of the poll should be a little different....all of us should "support" Hurts as our starting QB because he IS our starting QB with no imminent sign of that changing. If you're an Eagles fan, you should support every player on the team and want them to be the best even if you know they've got deficiencies.

Supporting our QB, to me, is different than say, thinking he's a good QB. I think Hurts is overall average when you remove his threat to run. With his running, I think he's an above average QB. Could we have a better QB? Absolutely. Could we have a worse QB? Absolutely. Hopefully, this year and running a new offense that will put more onus on the QB (theoretically), maybe he can change my view. I want that to happen. I want him to do well. I want him to make me view him as a "good" or even "elite" QB.

"Good" is a subjective word too. How many times have you ever been asked in conversation if you think Hurts is a good QB? I'm an analytical type of person so when I'm asked that question, even just in casual conversation at a bar with a fellow fan that I don't know...I always say "he's ok". I just can't say he's a "good QB". Maybe I'm too stringent. I dunno. But that's how I see it.

53 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

The phrasing of the poll should be a little different....all of us should "support" Hurts as our starting QB because he IS our starting QB with no imminent sign of that changing. If you're an Eagles fan, you should support every player on the team and want them to be the best even if you know they've got deficiencies.

Supporting our QB, to me, is different than say, thinking he's a good QB. I think Hurts is overall average when you remove his threat to run. With his running, I think he's an above average QB. Could we have a better QB? Absolutely. Could we have a worse QB? Absolutely. Hopefully, this year and running a new offense that will put more onus on the QB (theoretically), maybe he can change my view. I want that to happen. I want him to do well. I want him to make me view him as a "good" or even "elite" QB.

"Good" is a subjective word too. How many times have you ever been asked in conversation if you think Hurts is a good QB? I'm an analytical type of person so when I'm asked that question, even just in casual conversation at a bar with a fellow fan that I don't know...I always say "he's ok". I just can't say he's a "good QB". Maybe I'm too stringent. I dunno. But that's how I see it.

Mostly agree, although, I would like to add that "QB" seems to have a different meaning to different people. To me, QB is a position, not a style. So I understand that some fans prefer a different style of QB. But when playing a certain position in a style that is different from the norm, it's possible to be limited in some aspects as a passer (for example) and still be a very good QB. When most people talk about a QB in terms of "is he good," they are really only referring to passing.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Mostly agree, although, I would like to add that "QB" seems to have a different meaning to different people. To me, QB is a position, not a style. So I understand that some fans prefer a different style of QB. But when playing a certain position in a style that is different from the norm, it's possible to be limited in some aspects as a passer (for example) and still be a very good QB. When most people talk about a QB in terms of "is he good," they are really only referring to passing.

I agree that passing is the main form of judgement when assessing the play of a QB. Rightfully so, though. In order to be considered a good passing QB, there are multiple variables in that...processing, decision-making, accuracy, arm strength. Then there are intangibles like leadership. Running is a good skill that a QB can possess...but moreso than just "running" is the ability to move in the pocket, even if subtly, or rolling outside to buy time. Straight up "running" is exciting and of course a great skill to have, but if you can't be a good passer you'll never be considered a good QB (or at least shouldn't be, IMO). In contrast, if you're a good passer but terrible runner, you'd still be considered a "good QB".

Mike Vick was a great runner. He finally learned how to be a better passer after coming to Philly. Was he a "good" passer? That's debatable...but prior to Philly, I would have never called him a "good QB". "Great/exciting runner" absolutely.

13 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

I agree that passing is the main form of judgement when assessing the play of a QB. Rightfully so, though. In order to be considered a good passing QB, there are multiple variables in that...processing, decision-making, accuracy, arm strength. Then there are intangibles like leadership. Running is a good skill that a QB can possess...but moreso than just "running" is the ability to move in the pocket, even if subtly, or rolling outside to buy time. Straight up "running" is exciting and of course a great skill to have, but if you can't be a good passer you'll never be considered a good QB (or at least shouldn't be, IMO). In contrast, if you're a good passer but terrible runner, you'd still be considered a "good QB".

Mike Vick was a great runner. He finally learned how to be a better passer after coming to Philly. Was he a "good" passer? That's debatable...but prior to Philly, I would have never called him a "good QB". "Great/exciting runner" absolutely.

Some QBs might actually be great QBs within a certain system. Andre Ware was a great QB in college in the run and shoot offense. Ty Detmer was a great QB in college in whatever that system was called at BYU. Marcus Mariota was a great college QB in Chip Kelly's offense. There were great Wishbone and Power I QBs in college back in the 70s and 80s. Now, not all these offenses had (sustained) success in the NFL, obviously, but that doesn't mean those QBs weren't QBs. I don't really think Brock Purdy is all that special a talent, but in the confines of Shanahan's offense, he has been very good. Jalen Hurts, I believe makes a strong case that he's been very good in what I call "the Jalen Hurts offense." Even last year Jalen was pretty good overall as a passer. It was his running that was disappointing. If I'm going to be critical of him at all about last year, I'm a little iffy on his leadership. He worked hard and he said the right things, but we can't say it really inspired anybody judging by the results. Also, when you keep the ball on a read-option play and then slide for a 1-2 yard loss, it sends a bad message to teammates that it's okay to give up now and then --- which is something we saw from a bunch of players on offense all last season. He can do better there and he may need to be the guy that puts the team on his back every now and then. Lead --- that's all I ask.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Some QBs might actually be great QBs within a certain system. Andre Ware was a great QB in college in the run and shoot offense. Ty Detmer was a great QB in college in whatever that system was called at BYU. Marcus Mariota was a great college QB in Chip Kelly's offense. There were great Wishbone and Power I QBs in college back in the 70s and 80s. Now, not all these offenses had (sustained) success in the NFL, obviously, but that doesn't mean those QBs weren't QBs. I don't really think Brock Purdy is all that special a talent, but in the confines of Shanahan's offense, he has been very good. Jalen Hurts, I believe makes a strong case that he's been very good in what I call "the Jalen Hurts offense." Even last year Jalen was pretty good overall as a passer. It was his running that was disappointing. If I'm going to be critical of him at all about last year, I'm a little iffy on his leadership. He worked hard and he said the right things, but we can't say it really inspired anybody judging by the results. Also, when you keep the ball on a read-option play and then slide for a 1-2 yard loss, it sends a bad message to teammates that it's okay to give up now and then --- which is something we saw from a bunch of players on offense all last season. He can do better there and he may need to be the guy that puts the team on his back every now and then. Lead --- that's all I ask.

I completely get what you're saying about some QBs being good/great in certain systems, and I can agree with that sentiment. I guess I just look at a QB and determine if I think he's just a good player no matter what the scheme...good players will excel in any scheme.

Yeah I also wonder about Hurts' leadership, but if other players took issue with him sliding down regardless of losing yards or not, that's on the other players. Hurts and all other QBs who run the ball often enough should be protecting themselves as best as possible. They're typically coached to "go down" and live for another play. Hurts' personality is more of the issue when it comes to leadership, hence why there were reports about him being encouraged to take on more of a leadership role or whatever it was. When I listen to Hurts speak, he just seems stoic, guarded, aloof, and doesn't really do much by way of connecting with fans in any way (other than "win"). If he comes across that way in general (to any of his teammates), I can totally see a leadership issue from him. He doesn't have to be rah rah shish boom ba and bust out the pom poms, but he could be a little more positve/animated or something that shows signs of leadership that we can see.

1 minute ago, EaglesAddict said:

I completely get what you're saying about some QBs being good/great in certain systems, and I can agree with that sentiment. I guess I just look at a QB and determine if I think he's just a good player no matter what the scheme...good players will excel in any scheme.

I'm not so sure. Joe Montana is widely considered a great QB, but would he have have been a great QB outside of the WCO or playing for Al Davis? I'm not so sure. Whenever they replaced him with Steve Young, Young put up the same or better numbers. Than Bono filled in for a while due to injuries and no dropoff. Then Elvis Grbac looked like the next great thing when he had to fill in. Cunningham was great in a nonconventional offense then couldn't cut it as a WCO QB, but went on to be an MVP candidate in another offense. I have no way of verifying this, but I kind of fill like McNabb would have thrived in something like the Jalen Hurts offense instead of being shoehorned into the WCO. Another good example we watched of being successful in one scheme and not another was DeMarco Murray.

15 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Yeah I also wonder about Hurts' leadership, but if other players took issue with him sliding down regardless of losing yards or not, that's on the other players. Hurts and all other QBs who run the ball often enough should be protecting themselves as best as possible. They're typically coached to "go down" and live for another play. Hurts' personality is more of the issue when it comes to leadership, hence why there were reports about him being encouraged to take on more of a leadership role or whatever it was. When I listen to Hurts speak, he just seems stoic, guarded, aloof, and doesn't really do much by way of connecting with fans in any way (other than "win"). If he comes across that way in general (to any of his teammates), I can totally see a leadership issue from him. He doesn't have to be rah rah shish boom ba and bust out the pom poms, but he could be a little more positve/animated or something that shows signs of leadership that we can see.

There is nothing wrong with sliding or running OB at the end of a positive run for a nice gain, but there is absolutely no point in keeping the ball on a read option if you are going to quit on the run in the backfield before contact. Imagine if Barkley just gave up in the backfield before contact every time a defender was there. Just because a player is going to be tackled does not mean he is going to get injured. There were many games last year, offensively, where the team needed someone to step up and make an inspirational play, but it never happened. That's being a leader. An early exit from the playoffs isn't the ticket to remaining healthy. McNabb was never a fiery leader, but when he played 3 quarters on a broken leg against the Cardinals, his team (especially the defense) was inspired to pick up the slack while he was out the next several games. That's how Hurts can lead when it matters. Find a way to inspire the team with your actions on the field.

I think most of us like him and support him. Those who don't are just louder and sometimes obnoxious. That's why it feels like there's a divide.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not so sure. Joe Montana is widely considered a great QB, but would he have have been a great QB outside of the WCO or playing for Al Davis? I'm not so sure. Whenever they replaced him with Steve Young, Young put up the same or better numbers. Than Bono filled in for a while due to injuries and no dropoff. Then Elvis Grbac looked like the next great thing when he had to fill in. Cunningham was great in a nonconventional offense then couldn't cut it as a WCO QB, but went on to be an MVP candidate in another offense. I have no way of verifying this, but I kind of fill like McNabb would have thrived in something like the Jalen Hurts offense instead of being shoehorned into the WCO. Another good example we watched of being successful in one scheme and not another was DeMarco Murray.

There is nothing wrong with sliding or running OB at the end of a positive run for a nice gain, but there is absolutely no point in keeping the ball on a read option if you are going to quit on the run in the backfield before contact. Imagine if Barkley just gave up in the backfield before contact every time a defender was there. Just because a player is going to be tackled does not mean he is going to get injured. There were many games last year, offensively, where the team needed someone to step up and make an inspirational play, but it never happened. That's being a leader. An early exit from the playoffs isn't the ticket to remaining healthy. McNabb was never a fiery leader, but when he played 3 quarters on a broken leg against the Cardinals, his team (especially the defense) was inspired to pick up the slack while he was out the next several games. That's how Hurts can lead when it matters. Find a way to inspire the team with your actions on the field.

We'll never know about Montana in a completely different scheme, but he did go to KC late in his career and excelled there too. We also know he was highly accurate and had elite mental processing and decision-making within a complex passing scheme. Could he run? Hell no. He is considered "great" because of how well he passed the ball (even making up for lack or arm strength).

Hard to say about times when Hurts kept the ball and "gave up". Was it a busted play? Did he keep it because handing it off could have made it worse (botched handoff)? It's good to be putting your body on the line to inspire teammates with toughness, but being unavailable due to injury is a net negative as a result of that. Is there a time for that pending the situation? Absolutely. But on a random 2nd and 5 midway through a 2nd quarter of a game...meh.