5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Let's talk about this. Clots were later discovered in his lungs. The coarse of action is blood thinners. At what point after that is it safer to fly (any less of a risk)? We are literally talking about 3 months minimum for the thinners and possibly longer. If it is a risk to fly the day he flew, the risk is at minimum the same for the next several months.

Now let's talk about risk.

AI Overview

The absolute risk of developing a symptomatic blood clot (deep vein thrombosis, or DVT) from a flight is exceptionally low, sitting well below 0.05% for healthy individuals on flights lasting longer than 4 hours. Expressed as a ratio, this amounts to roughly 1 in 4,600 to 1 in 6,000 passengers. [1, 2, 3, 4]

While the absolute mathematical percentage is small, long-distance flights (especially those over 4 to 8 hours) still double or triple your baseline risk compared to regular daily living because of prolonged immobility in cramped spaces. [1, 2]

Risk Breakdown by Category

The percentage shifts significantly depending on your personal medical history and the flight duration: [1, 2]

• Low-Risk/Healthy Travelers: On long-haul flights (over 6 to 8 hours), only about 0.02% to 0.05% of healthy passengers develop symptomatic blood clots. [1]

• Moderate-Risk Travelers: For people with pre-existing risk factors—such as severe obesity, a height extreme (very short or very tall), severe varicose veins, or those taking oral contraceptives—the risk increases to about 0.2% (20 out of 10,000 travelers). [1, 2]

• High-Risk Travelers: In older clinical trials evaluating travelers with significant combinations of high-risk factors (like genetic clotting disorders, a history of prior blood clots, or active cancer) who remained entirely immobile on flights over 10 hours, some localized, asymptomatic clotting markers were detected in up to 3% to 6% of high-risk passengers. [1, 2]

A couple of things. First we have the benefit of hind sight, but we also don’t have all of the info. The original clot was superficial and in his leg, which is minimal risk, sure, but talk to any doctor or any AI bot you choose, and they will ALL say there is a risk that superficial clots can convert or shift to a DVT. And they will ALL tell you that even the smallest microscopic bit of a a clot, small than a pin head, can kill you in an instant if it hits your brain. So the thought of playing let alone flying without a FULL diagnosis and proper treatment is downright scary and ridiculous that it happened. The calendar of events was totally Fed up. Now, blood thinners can work within minutes or several hours, so maybe he got on those right away and that’s why they felt the risk was low and let him fly, but he for sure shouldn’t have been playing while on them as even a small bump to the head could cause major brain bleed. Let’s hope that didn’t happen.

All that said, the clot traveled from his leg to his lungs very quickly. Who can say for sure of the plane ride had anything to do with that. But why not stay in London a few days and get on blood thinners, keep testing and make sure the clot doesn’t move over a period of more than a few hours before hopping on a plane and coming home? There was zero risk to stay a few days and make sure things don’t worsen, there was a non zero percent risk that getting on a a plane could worsen it. Simple math says the smarter decision would have been to stay put. Not for Christmas, just until you had a better idea of what you’re dealing with and assuring complete safety to return home.

5 hours ago, DBW said:

A couple of things. First we have the benefit of hind sight, but we also don’t have all of the info. The original clot was superficial and in his leg, which is minimal risk, sure, but talk to any doctor or any AI bot you choose, and they will ALL say there is a risk that superficial clots can convert or shift to a DVT. And they will ALL tell you that even the smallest microscopic bit of a a clot, small than a pin head, can kill you in an instant if it hits your brain. So the thought of playing let alone flying without a FULL diagnosis and proper treatment is downright scary and ridiculous that it happened. The calendar of events was totally Fed up. Now, blood thinners can work within minutes or several hours, so maybe he got on those right away and that’s why they felt the risk was low and let him fly, but he for sure shouldn’t have been playing while on them as even a small bump to the head could cause major brain bleed. Let’s hope that didn’t happen.

All that said, the clot traveled from his leg to his lungs very quickly. Who can say for sure of the plane ride had anything to do with that. But why not stay in London a few days and get on blood thinners, keep testing and make sure the clot doesn’t move over a period of more than a few hours before hopping on a plane and coming home? There was zero risk to stay a few days and make sure things don’t worsen, there was a non zero percent risk that getting on a a plane could worsen it. Simple math says the smarter decision would have been to stay put. Not for Christmas, just until you had a better idea of what you’re dealing with and assuring complete safety to return home.

What we do know is that they were watching the whole thing as things were happening. I said it before, but the risk posed by flying (which isn't a very big risk) can easily be mitigated by any combination of adjusting cabin pressure, administering oxygen, permitting movement, among other things.

It is my opinion that people that are vocally disturbed by this whole incident are just looking for something to lash out at. Many of them have something to gain with clicks, views, comments, callers, etc... As fans, it's not our business to know every minute detail of a player's medical experience. Yeah --- we're curious because these are people we root for. Information was given jointly by both parties and that should be fine. If there was a grievance alluded to, then maybe there should be an investigation and more transparency. But all indications are that everybody involved worked together to make the right decisions through the whole process. I'll ask again --- why am I supposed to be mad at anybody?

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

What we do know is that they were watching the whole thing as things were happening. I said it before, but the risk posed by flying (which isn't a very big risk) can easily be mitigated by any combination of adjusting cabin pressure, administering oxygen, permitting movement, among other things.

It is my opinion that people that are vocally disturbed by this whole incident are just looking for something to lash out at. Many of them have something to gain with clicks, views, comments, callers, etc... As fans, it's not our business to know every minute detail of a player's medical experience. Yeah --- we're curious because these are people we root for. Information was given jointly by both parties and that should be fine. If there was a grievance alluded to, then maybe there should be an investigation and more transparency. But all indications are that everybody involved worked together to make the right decisions through the whole process. I'll ask again --- why am I supposed to be mad at anybody?

You’re supposed to be mad that the nfl and/or Eagles mismanaged the health of a superstar athlete for the money. Can’t sell tanner mckee to the UK. Jalen must play.

And you’re also supposed to be mad at the basic level of humanity that appears to have been absent.

3 hours ago, DBW said:

You’re supposed to be mad that the nfl and/or Eagles mismanaged the health of a superstar athlete for the money. Can’t sell tanner mckee to the UK. Jalen must play.

And you’re also supposed to be mad at the basic level of humanity that appears to have been absent.

Your 1st reason is quite a conspiracy. They've been selling the Jags for years. Your second reason is overdramatic.

I'm not mad at anyone. It sounds like everybody tried to do the right thing with the information they had.

11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Your 1st reason is quite a conspiracy. They've been selling the Jags for years. Your second reason is overdramatic.

I'm not mad at anyone. It sounds like everybody tried to do the right thing with the information they had.

You’re not naive enough to think that Jalen didn’t push to play, and/or the Eagles doctors and/or the nfl doctors didn’t consider the fact that Jalen sells seats and the risk to him was deemed less of a factor because of that. If your or I had gone to our doctor for the same thing the protocol looks much different and everyone knows this. That’s the problem. They claim to care about player safety and took him out to a game because he fell down hard, and wouldn’t let him back in right away even after being cleared, but sure go head and play a collision sport with a clot that could burst at any minute and destroy your brain. That’s completely safe. 🙄

4 hours ago, DBW said:

You’re not naive enough to think that Jalen didn’t push to play, and/or the Eagles doctors and/or the nfl doctors didn’t consider the fact that Jalen sells seats and the risk to him was deemed less of a factor because of that. If your or I had gone to our doctor for the same thing the protocol looks much different and everyone knows this. That’s the problem. They claim to care about player safety and took him out to a game because he fell down hard, and wouldn’t let him back in right away even after being cleared, but sure go head and play a collision sport with a clot that could burst at any minute and destroy your brain. That’s completely safe. 🙄

I don't really care what the injury is, I know Jalen wants to be on the field playing. So I agree that he wants to play. The team knows that he's their best QB at this time and I 100% believe they want their best players to play. Even people that aren't part of the final decision, like Sirianni, want to play the best players because their jobs are potentially on the line too. So I'm with you when you present an argument that virtually everybody wanted Jalen to play. But you immediately lose me with the conspiratorial nonsense. The tickets for that game were already sold. I'm sure the NFL would have liked Barkley to play, but he was nursing a minor injury. The last time he played the Jags, he created an unforgettable highlight. If the NFL really wanted to make more money on that game, it would have been played at home and aired at a better time slot. So this wasn't a conspiracy where the NFL needed Jalen or it was going to be a big flop. This season, Jalen was at best in the 15-20 range in most QB rankings. With his uninspiring running, he was not even a dual threat QB. The thing that made him exciting in the past was not there this year. He's far from the "face of the NFL" you're making him out to be and his playing or not playing in that game had no financial implications for the league. The conspiracy is silly and ignores reality.

The "protocol" for us is different and the reason for that is because we don't have a medical staff traveling with us. Maybe you do, but I sure don't. Heck, if I ever have a blood clot, I probably won't even know --- because if something doesn't appear very concerning to me, I'm not seeing a doctor. Athletes like Jalen are constantly getting everything checked.

There will always be risk in playing football ... much like driving to or from work. The only way to eliminate those specific risks is to not play football or go to work.

21 hours ago, DBW said:

You’re supposed to be mad that the nfl and/or Eagles mismanaged the health of a superstar athlete for the money. Can’t sell tanner mckee to the UK. Jalen must play.

And you’re also supposed to be mad at the basic level of humanity that appears to have been absent.

Overstate things much? If Jalen's health was a fragile as you seem to think, he dam sure should not have been playing NFL football. Are you certain he was still during the entire ride from London to Philly? Walking around in the aisle might help to ameliorate any risk. Remember he wasn't flying coach in a grayhound with wings. I'd be pretty sure he would have stayed in London for a few days if his doctors recommended that as the best course of action. The Eagles are very PR sensitive, they're not going to do anything that would make them look bad, careless or reckless with their single biggest asset.

32 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't really care what the injury is, I know Jalen wants to be on the field playing. So I agree that he wants to play. The team knows that he's their best QB at this time and I 100% believe they want their best players to play. Even people that aren't part of the final decision, like Sirianni, want to play the best players because their jobs are potentially on the line too. So I'm with you when you present an argument that virtually everybody wanted Jalen to play. But you immediately lose me with the conspiratorial nonsense. The tickets for that game were already sold. I'm sure the NFL would have liked Barkley to play, but he was nursing a minor injury. The last time he played the Jags, he created an unforgettable highlight. If the NFL really wanted to make more money on that game, it would have been played at home and aired at a better time slot. So this wasn't a conspiracy where the NFL needed Jalen or it was going to be a big flop. This season, Jalen was at best in the 15-20 range in most QB rankings. With his uninspiring running, he was not even a dual threat QB. The thing that made him exciting in the past was not there this year. He's far from the "face of the NFL" you're making him out to be and his playing or not playing in that game had no financial implications for the league. The conspiracy is silly and ignores reality.

The "protocol" for us is different and the reason for that is because we don't have a medical staff traveling with us. Maybe you do, but I sure don't. Heck, if I ever have a blood clot, I probably won't even know --- because if something doesn't appear very concerning to me, I'm not seeing a doctor. Athletes like Jalen are constantly getting everything checked.

There will always be risk in playing football ... much like driving to or from work. The only way to eliminate those specific risks is to not play football or go to work.

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy to think Jalen pushed to play and the docs took into account the nature of the stage the game was being played on. ALL players want to play, at all times, through anything, that we know happens all the time. The doctors need to be able to say NO. It’s funny how they do that with concussions, but a blood clot is no biggie. That to me is bananas. I would not be surprised if there is new language written into the cba regarding this specific scenario. The player, in Roger’s own words have a lot of latitude in playing through injuries….so yeah maybe an ankle or a shoulder sprain the player gets final say, but for something like this my opinion is that it needs more guard rails. I don’t think they necessarily intentionally put him in harms way but they certainly didn’t do enough in my mind to protect him.

23 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Overstate things much? If Jalen's health was a fragile as you seem to think, he dam sure should not have been playing NFL football. Are you certain he was still during the entire ride from London to Philly? Walking around in the aisle might help to ameliorate any risk. Remember he wasn't flying coach in a grayhound with wings. I'd be pretty sure he would have stayed in London for a few days if his doctors recommended that as the best course of action. The Eagles are very PR sensitive, they're not going to do anything that would make them look bad, careless or reckless with their single biggest asset.

The dramatization is to make a point.

Ric flair and his dope fake wrestling show gets it I don’t know why nobody else does

https://nypost.com/2026/10/23/sports/ric-flair-rushed-to-hospital-hours-after-revealing-scary-health-issue/?fbclid=IwdGRleAVJBUtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBwZG9mBWZkaWQWUQ5ExZ5nfNLru-gKduO50uYXqunXunNydGMGYXBwX2lkCjY2Mjg1NjgzNzkAAR6EAWv-DV55hGMr8gh9Qz6__zUTzmAoSSC5aC7S4lUHNyU0gR95I8LSrf4bFg_aem_nkja7iEc6G-4jlY6E_uU4g

4 hours ago, DBW said:

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy to think Jalen pushed to play and the docs took into account the nature of the stage the game was being played on. ALL players want to play, at all times, through anything, that we know happens all the time. The doctors need to be able to say NO. It’s funny how they do that with concussions, but a blood clot is no biggie. That to me is bananas. I would not be surprised if there is new language written into the cba regarding this specific scenario. The player, in Roger’s own words have a lot of latitude in playing through injuries….so yeah maybe an ankle or a shoulder sprain the player gets final say, but for something like this my opinion is that it needs more guard rails. I don’t think they necessarily intentionally put him in harms way but they certainly didn’t do enough in my mind to protect him.

I believe Jalen wanted to play. I don't know if he "pushed" to play. I wasn't there. I don't think for a minute that doctors are considering any "stage" like you suggest. That's loony. And, to repeat, the London stage is not very big since it requires such an early time slot. It benefits from having no other game on at the same time, but even the best one which was week 5 (Eagles/Jags) drew less than half the viewers of a typical primetime game. There was no conspiracy by the NFL and the Eagles to risk Jalen because the game was in London.

The explanation already exists and you choose to believe something else that really doesn't make as much sense as you wish it did.

26 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I believe Jalen wanted to play. I don't know if he "pushed" to play. I wasn't there. I don't think for a minute that doctors are considering any "stage" like you suggest. That's loony. And, to repeat, the London stage is not very big since it requires such an early time slot. It benefits from having no other game on at the same time, but even the best one which was week 5 (Eagles/Jags) drew less than half the viewers of a typical primetime game. There was no conspiracy by the NFL and the Eagles to risk Jalen because the game was in London.

The explanation already exists and you choose to believe something else that really doesn't make as much sense as you wish it did.

The local London time for the game was 2:30pm. The game is not meant for US consumption it’s made to broaden the reach and grow the game over there.. Roger wants a permanent London team and a UK division for the nfl. In addition to 18 Games which of course only improve player safety.

No Jalen = reduced consumption and reduced capacity for growth and revenue.

oh and btw you mentioned how in love with having the jags play there, so it’s no coincidence they just happened to win that game the way they did huh?

You’re a smart man. I’ve interacted with you in here for 20+ years. You’re not this thick man.

8 minutes ago, DBW said:

The local London time for the game was 2:30pm. The game is not meant for US consumption it’s made to broaden the reach and grow the game over there.. Roger wants a permanent London team and a UK division for the nfl. In addition to 18 Games which of course only improve player safety.

No Jalen = reduced consumption and reduced capacity for growth and revenue.

oh and btw you mentioned how in love with having the jags play there, so it’s no coincidence they just happened to win that game the way they did huh?

You’re a smart man. I’ve interacted with you in here for 20+ years. You’re not this thick man.

You're suggesting now that the game was rigged so the Jags would beat the Eagles --- the team that had a very easy to see fan representation majority --- because I guess the Jags are so popular there ...

It's not making sense to me. The Jags won because Sirianni picked the stupid choice with 8 seconds left and then our special teams didn't show up.

They estimate that about 85% of the viewing audience for the Eagles' London game were from US viewers. I know the league is trying to grow its market, but it has a long way to go and Jalen Hurts isn't a big draw in London.

12 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You're suggesting now that the game was rigged so the Jags would beat the Eagles --- the team that had a very easy to see fan representation majority --- because I guess the Jags are so popular there ...

It's not making sense to me. The Jags won because Sirianni picked the stupid choice with 8 seconds left and then our special teams didn't show up.

They estimate that about 85% of the viewing audience for the Eagles' London game were from US viewers. I know the league is trying to grow its market, but it has a long way to go and Jalen Hurts isn't a big draw in London.

No what I’m saying is that the doctors, the team, the nfl etc all neglected player safety and health and allowed Jalen to play with an injury and condition that could have been lethal. And further neglected his health by rushing him on a plane to get home.

21 minutes ago, DBW said:

No what I’m saying is that the doctors, the team, the nfl etc all neglected player safety and health and allowed Jalen to play with an injury and condition that could have been lethal. And further neglected his health by rushing him on a plane to get home.

I haven't seen Jalen or his agent complain. When they do I'll listen.

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

I haven't seen Jalen or his agent complain. When they do I'll listen.

Unlikely that you will unless his career is over and the story comes out later. This is why the nflpa has launched its own investigation. The league can say "we did everything right” all they want but the players association may see it differently. The league hid concussions for decades before the lawsuit forced changes. You Guys can’t be this blind and naive 😂

Eagles organization seems to be having a poor track record of taking care of their players, Chris Maragos I believe also had some issues. Surprising since Eagles are a well run franchise.

On 10/19/2026 at 7:59 PM, brkmsn said:

I don't see any reason for punishment. He was obviously cleared to fly and they were making sure he wasn't sleeping in the plane and was "moving" as necessary to keep up blood circulation as a precaution. Why should it be my business to be all mad at the Philadelphia Eagles for something that doesn't involve me?

.. and if we really want to be mad just because he flew in a luxury jet after being diagnosed with a superficial blood clot, then we should blame the NFL for scheduling games outside the lower 48.

amen

8 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Eagles organization seems to be having a poor track record of taking care of their players, Chris Maragos I believe also had some issues. Surprising since Eagles are a well run franchise.

FYI, The Eagles weren't part of the Maragos suit. It was Rothman Orthopaedics and the doctor that performed the surgery that were sued for malpractice.

On 10/24/2026 at 1:52 PM, Eagles1960 said:

I haven't seen Jalen or his agent complain. When they do I'll listen.

Hard to complain and still want a contract extension and to play with the team next year

2 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Hard to complain and still want a contract extension and to play with the team next year

Maybe for a guy without the cred Hurts has but I don't think he is worried about it. Lots of things get "investigated." I'll care if this investigation turns up something meaningful against the team.

I previously said this was no big deal. Then I watched as Lurie nor Howie addressed the media
about this. No doubt, their LAWYERS to them to shut up about it. But THAT is not leadership.
And now Lurie has the audacity to enshrine HIMSELF in the Eagles Hall of Fame? NOW? On

national tv, when HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE TO ADDRESS THE PRESS ABOUT HURTS,

NOT SIRI. THEY THREW SIRI TO THE WOLVES ALONE. Lurie should get booooed mercilessly tonight.

Lurie and general manager Howie Roseman have remained quiet on the medical situation surrounding Hurts.

• Public and Fan Reaction: Fans and local media have criticized Lurie for staying silent, especially after
  he posted a statement regarding his Pro Football Hall of Fame induction while avoiding questions about
  the team's handling of the quarterback's medical status.

• Previous Comments: Lurie last spoke extensively about Hurts in late March/early April 2026 during the
  NFL annual league meetings in Phoenix, where he praised Hurts as a franchise cornerstone—months

  before the blood clot issue emerged.

• Investigations: The NFL and NFL Players Association (NFLPA) announced a joint review into how the

  medical and playing situation was handled. [1, 2, 3, 4]

No punishment will come out of the investigation for the Eagles. The blame will be cast upon the London Doctors and stop there.

The NFL and NFLPA will agree that if a blood clot is diagnosed, no matter the type, the player can not return to activity until he is 100% recovered.