September 21, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I agree. Mostly because he can barely form a complete sentence and will spend half his time in office napping Thankfully he's running against a guy who makes him look like shakespeare by comparison...
September 21, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: You're usually more reasonable than this. Calling people who espouse zero socialist ideas and lament the attacks on procedural norms developed over 200 years in this country to help prevent against the worst forms of majoritarian excesses "commies" does not hold water. The right has been throwing temper tantrums since '92. And weaponizing the DoJ? Yes, I normally am. Today I was chumming the waters a little for entertainment purposes. As a result, I have been well entertained. Thank you all lefty responders. Not all Democrats espouse Communism, just the ones in favor of adopting Socialist governmental and economic systems. There's nothing wrong with meaningful social programs that help those in genuine need by empowering them to get off and stay off the program. The problem is many programs have no impact beyond the short term and create dependence upon those programs. If anyone thinks the solution to inefficiency is the government managing private businesses in defiance of private property rights, or the redistribution of personal wealth, they are Commies. Look at the left's agenda and point out where strengthening of those individual rights and liberties exist within it. You won't be able to. Those lunatics actually want Big Brother. Soviet leadership stated a long time ago that incremental movement towards socialism was their goal for defeating the west because once the tipping point is reached the shift to Communism is inescapable. One political party is pushing for that across the board. Ironically, they are also the ones constantly accusing others of partnering with the Russians while they lie with them in the same ideological bed. It's not all Dems, but your base on the left is socially poisonous, not woke.
September 21, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Biden will make the left fringe his b**ch just like he did in the primaries. Ok, we shall see
September 21, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: And further, the best chance for someone to put a stop to this political escalationism is Biden. And as someone who is sick of all this backstabbing bull sheet, I hope he gets in there, avoids using brinkmanship as his MO, and allows cooler heads to prevail once again. He'd be making the same mistake Obama made. Obama didn't want to come off as the enemy or the angry black dude. He wanted to be above it all. That was cardinal sin #1. McConnell made the game public when he said his only priority was to screw Obama. This country can't function in a two party system with one party trying to run things doing it the right way and the other just trying to sabotage and hold power for personal gain. It's traditions are broken and don't hold water when half of its representatives don't stand for anything other than "F the other guys". So I'm done being the adult. It hasn't done any of us one bit of good. I'm going to vote for Biden even if it kills me. He's a means to an end. But every election after that I'm going with Bernie or whatever lunatic progressives want to prop up as their nominee because watching the Republicans heads explode as a Socialist is sworn in is my only life goal now.
September 21, 20205 yr 27 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: That's awesome. The fact that they've been planning for it means they'll have to spend less time trying to figure out the logistics. Yeah, and they will have at least 8 more years of Trump to really get it figured out
September 21, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Biden will make the left fringe his b**ch just like he did in the primaries. LOL I guess the best way to start that was by making a deal with Sanders after the primary.
September 21, 20205 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: Yeah, and they will have at least 8 more years of Trump to really get it figured out
September 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: He'd be making the same mistake Obama made. Obama didn't want to come off as the enemy or the angry black dude. He wanted to be above it all. That was cardinal sin #1. McConnell made the game public when he said his only priority was to screw Obama. This country can't function in a two party system with one party trying to run things doing it the right way and the other just trying to sabotage and hold power for personal gain. It's traditions are broken and don't hold water when half of its representatives don't stand for anything other than "F the other guys". So I'm done being the adult. It hasn't done any of us one bit of good. I'm going to vote for Biden even if it kills me. He's a means to an end. But every election after that I'm going with Bernie or whatever lunatic progressives want to prop up as their nominee because watching the Republicans heads explode as a Socialist is sworn in is my only life goal now. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
September 21, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Anyone not throwing a tantrum about all the slimy, blatantly unconstitutional and eminently corrupt conduct by this administration either doesn't get it or is complicit in undoing federalism. Flipping out over and resisting this abortion of democracy is the patriotic thing to do. Actually, many of us enjoy watching the absolute failure that is our federal government squirm as an outsider comes in and shakes up the norms on both sides. He's brash and he's unorthodox, but, those of us who want the government to stay the hell out of our lives think the guy is doing a pretty good job.
September 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Yeah well spending years trying to get people to be rational has got us here so I'm out on that thought experiment.
September 21, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: That was cardinal sin #1. McConnell made the game public when he said his only priority was to screw Obama. This country can't function in a two party system with one party trying to run things doing it the right way and the other just trying to sabotage and hold power for personal gain. It's traditions are broken and don't hold water when half of its representatives don't stand for anything other than "F the other guys". So I'm done being the adult. It hasn't done any of us one bit of good. Yup. Playing by the rules against people who disregard them entirely will get you nowhere but beat. Time to fight fire with fire. There's literally no other option.
September 21, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Actually, many of us enjoy watching the absolute failure that is our federal government squirm as an outsider comes in and shakes up the norms on both sides. He's brash and he's unorthodox, but, those of us who want the government to stay the hell out of our lives think the guy is doing a pretty good job. You've got jokes.
September 21, 20205 yr Forgive my ignorance, but I guess the issue is the Republicans have the votes to push through a nomination and Democrats can't block it? Can't Democrats just prolong the process or block it in a way and wait until after the election?
September 21, 20205 yr Just now, NOTW said: Forgive my ignorance, but I guess the issue is the Republicans have the votes to push through a nomination and Democrats can't block it? Can't Democrats just prolong the process or block it in a way and wait until after the election? Doesn't look like it. Justices are passed through the Senate and Republicans have control there. The big questions is whether some of the more moderate Republican Senators and those in tough elections will vote yes. McConnell is going to have his work cut out for him.
September 21, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Actually, many of us enjoy watching the absolute failure that is our federal government squirm as an outsider comes in and shakes up the norms on both sides. He's brash and he's unorthodox, but, those of us who want the government to stay the hell out of our lives think the guy is doing a pretty good job. He's an authoritarian, so no, those of us who want limited government do not agree with the notion he's doing a pretty good job.
September 21, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, NOTW said: Forgive my ignorance, but I guess the issue is the Republicans have the votes to push through a nomination and Democrats can't block it? Can't Democrats just prolong the process or block it in a way and wait until after the election? It's unlikely: Quote The Year field indicates the year of the nomination. The average is 82 days. Eighty-two days from today is Dec. 12. If the Senate votes on Dec. 12, by then it is likely that Mark Kelly (D) will be in the Senate and Martha McSally (R) will not, which will change the partisan balance from R53-D47 to R52-D48. The shortest confirmation of the current members of the Court is 66 days. Sixty-six days from today is Nov. 26. Kelly is unlikely to be seated by then, even if he wins, because the final result probably won't be official until Nov. 30. Getting the confirmation done by Election Day would not be a record by any means, but it would be faster than for recent nominees. If Mitch McConnell is determined to get it done before the election, that should be doable. Trump seems to want the vote before Election Day so he can run on "three conservative justices appointed!" Historically, the following steps are followed: The president sends a nomination to the Senate The nominee fills out a lengthy questionnaire and undergoes an FBI check The nominee meets with senators who desire a meeting The Judiciary Committee holds hearings The Judiciary Committee votes on the nominee The full Senate debates the nomination The full Senate votes on the confirmation If the nominee was recently appointed to an appeals court, some parts of this process can be speeded up, especially the questionnaire and FBI check. Democrats have almost no power to drag the process out. If every Democratic senator wanted a private meeting with the nominee, McConnell could rule that each meeting would last 10 minutes, allowing them all to be finished in a single day. By 8 p.m. there would a tired, but happy, nominee.
September 21, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yup. Playing by the rules against people who disregard them entirely will get you nowhere but beat. Time to fight fire with fire. There's literally no other option. You start here, next thing you know you're on TV asking China to hack the GOP, sending polling data to Saudi oligarchs, installing shameless partisan hacks as attorney general, withholding aid to Israel unless they can dig up dirt on your opponent, etc
September 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You start here, next thing you know you're on TV asking China to hack the GOP, sending polling data to Saudi oligarchs, installing shameless partisan hacks as attorney general, withholding aid to Israel unless they can dig up dirt on Trump, etc Well, at this point, you'd arguably be stupid not to play that game. Impeachment legitimized soliciting foreign interference in the electoral process. Refusing to engage while Republicans get all their foreign buddies to help them out would just be another willful cession of political leverage.
September 21, 20205 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: He's an authoritarian, so no, those of us who want limited government do not agree with the notion he's doing a pretty good job. He's slashed government regulation and got rid of the individual mandate. Hell he even left the much of the Corona virus management up to State leadership. Now, he could do A LOT more and I hope he does, but these are moves in the right direction.
September 21, 20205 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: Well, at this point, you'd arguably be stupid not to play that game. Impeachment legitimized soliciting foreign interference in the electoral process. Refusing to engage while Republicans get all their foreign buddies to help them out would just be another willful cession of political leverage. Sure, all that, plus it's illegal, so...
September 21, 20205 yr 43 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I agree. Mostly because he can barely form a complete sentence and will spend half his time in office napping It’s not called napping, it’s called "executive time” and trump invented it. He will wake up early for a round of golf at least.
September 21, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Sure, all that, plus it's illegal, so... Is it, though? Won't the failed impeachment be considered precedent that it is acceptable behavior for a president to seek foreign help to win an election, so long as he deems his personal interests to reflect or otherwise be in service of national interests? I'm honestly asking. I'm not a legal scholar, but the only way I see extricating us from this danger is via a Constitutional amendment that specifically forbids it.
September 21, 20205 yr Just now, The Norseman said: He's slashed government regulation and got rid of the individual mandate. Hell he even left the much of the Corona virus management up to State leadership. Now, he could do A LOT more and I hope he does, but these are moves in the right direction. Uhh, if there's ever a time that we need more government, not less, it's during a freaking global pandemic. Leaving the states to figure everything out on their own end is a recipe for disaster during an actual disaster. In fact, it's alarming that you think that's a good thing, in all honesty.
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