Supreme Court Says Obamacare Will Survive Latest Gop Challenge

[SPIDER-MAN]

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Supreme Court appears to signal Obamacare will survive latest GOP challenge

(CNN) Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested Tuesday that it wasn't the Supreme Court's role to invalidate the entire sprawling, 900-page Affordable Care Act, even if one or more provisions are deemed unconstitutional, signaling the key parts of Obamacare will survive the latest court challenge.

As the pandemic rages, President Donald Trump lashes out at election returns and President-elect Joe Biden prepares for a new administration, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments to discuss whether to invalidate the linchpin of the nation's health care system.

The Trump administration and several Republican-led states are asking the court to strike down the law, 10 years after it was passed, potentially impacting millions of Americans. Should Roberts and Kavanaugh, at the very least, side with the court's three liberals, the law would remain intact.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/supreme-court-obamacare-oral-arguments/index.html

Trump is going to love this.

If this should be lumped in with another thread, I'll delete this.

[Thrive]

Well they haven’t made a ruling yet but interesting indeed.

[vikas83]

Be very careful reading into a Justice's posture and questions during argument. Many times they are playing devil's advocate. I have seen this blow up in investors' faces all the time.

[Alpha_TATEr]

if this does end up going against trump, he will lose it. man to be a fly on the wall. 

[DEagle7]

Why are you yelling?

[SPIDER-MAN]

16 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Why are you yelling?

I've always put my post headers in caps.

[Kz!]

Good, hopefully Dementia Joe will expand the fed takeover of healthcare and throw in free community college and student debt forgiveness as well.

[VanHammersly]

11 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Good, hopefully Dementia Joe will expand the fed takeover of healthcare and throw in free community college and student debt forgiveness as well.

[Alpha_TATEr]

awwww, somebody seems a little cranky. bombshells that amount to a party popper can do that to some people. 

[EaglesRocker97]

In my mind, it doesn't matter if the Court leaves the law in place. Republicans are determined to undermine the law with a "death by a thousand cuts" approach that strategically undermines provisions that are necessary for it to function, and I think that it will eventually fail. Insurance works because healthy people basically cover the bills for sick people, but without the mandate, the funding pool is not large enough to be nationally sustainable. The individual mandate is the biggest of these, because for any kind of national healthcare scheme to truly be affordable, you need the whole of the nation paying into it. It's a quite a shrewdly effective strategy, because it basically provides cover for them to tell the gullible masses "see, we told you it would fail!" similar to what the GOP has done to USPS over the years. Unless some kind of rescue package is passed in the near future, I think it will ultimately become an unsustainable program.

[mayanh8]

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Be very careful reading into a Justice's posture and questions during argument. Many times they are playing devil's advocate. I have seen this blow up in investors' faces all the time.

Yep.

This is especially true now if you're someone who thinks a ruling won't come down until sometime in the spring when the general election and runoff races are settled. 

[PoconoDon]

I always wait for the word "Holding"

[Gannan]

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Good, hopefully Dementia Joe will expand the fed takeover of healthcare and throw in free community college and student debt forgiveness as well.

[Seventy_Yard_FG]

I would be fine with the ruling on severability so long as they make it clear the mandate was not constitutional 

[Gannan]

I don't see how they can protect pre-existing conditions without the mandate. I guess some sort of formal opt-out in which your surrender your protection for any pre-existing conditions?

[ToastJenkins]

certainly hope the mandate dies

 

[ToastJenkins]

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

In my mind, it doesn't matter if the Court leaves the law in place. Republicans are determined to undermine the law with a "death by a thousand cuts" approach that strategically undermines provisions that are necessary for it to function, and I think that it will eventually fail. Insurance works because healthy people basically cover the bills for sick people, but without the mandate, the funding pool is not large enough to be nationally sustainable. The individual mandate is the biggest of these, because for any kind of national healthcare scheme to truly be affordable, you need the whole of the nation paying into it. It's a quite a shrewdly effective strategy, because it basically provides cover for them to tell the gullible masses "see, we told you it would fail!" similar to what the GOP has done to USPS over the years. Unless some kind of rescue package is passed in the near future, I think it will ultimately become an unsustainable program.

yup, although its never affordable. not when people expect the highest standard of care.

need to do this for unions next and let people opt out of dues. @vikas83 what case was that again that ended up 4-4?

[20dawk4life]

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed

[20dawk4life]

[Steve 17]

15 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

yup, although its never affordable. not when people expect the highest standard of care.

 

Lol........ highest standard? Not even close. Especially in PA where if you are old enough to remember the mass exodus of physicians due to the tort laws.

Anyway......10 years ago to get an 80-20 plan with a deductible of $2000 per person for a family of 4 you were looking at payments of anywhere between $750 to $ 1250 per month.  In those plans there were all sorts of treatments and prescriptions that would not be covered. 

 And all the above was for a regular working family....... now if you were NOT working for whatever reason..... oh say like a neighbor up the road from me. ( perfect health.... just working the system...classic deal ....5 kids... he lived there unofficially etc. )....... their payments were $100 per month. 

While the idea was a great wish for the future of the country....... it was flawed from the beginning by having major health care insurance providers be the leading writers of the bill. 

The whole thing was akin to having Detroit writing auto safety laws. 

Striking it down is not a death knell for people...... best it would still be to re-write it ...... but the complexities are above my pay grade.

 

[EaglesRocker97]

14 minutes ago, Steve 17 said:

While the idea was a great wish for the future of the country....... it was flawed from the beginning by having major health care insurance providers be the leading writers of the bill. 

The whole thing was akin to having Detroit writing auto safety laws.

Yup.