Cochis_Calhoun Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: It would be a bad thing because you’re paying Zach Ertz a lot of money and your future at the tight end position should be Dallas Goedert and Dallas Goedert has not looked better than Richard Rodgers over most of the season when he has played. Even with some of those poor throws by wentz, it’s not as if Dallas goedert has asserted himself into being worthy of a big payday that’s coming up if you let ertz go. That’s the problem. Everyone wants to get rid of Zach Ertz because we don’t wanna pay him but you have to have somebody that could step in and be as productive as he was over the last four seasons. Right now Dallas goedert hasn’t proven he can stay healthy and when he does play some of wentz’s fault but also some of his fault to show he is capable of being as productive as ertz was from 2017-2019. If Richard Rodgers is showing me more ability to get open and make plays on the field then Dallas goedert outside of the week 1 game then we have serious issues going forward at the position If I add up all three's stats I make a single TE who has around 600 yards through 9 games, I'm not sure how much more your expecting out of the TE position in terms of receiving? If we had Kittle or Kelce they'd make about 1800 yards in our offense, but that's why we're not offering Ertz their money. If you can get 1100 yards a year out of a Richard Rodgers contract, I'm not sure a properly functioning offense needs the extra 700 yards enough to justify the massive leap in salary. And we probably need all the cap we can get because Fulgham is going to ask a lot more than 142 grand to play next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: If I add up all three's stats I make a single TE who has around 600 yards through 9 games, I'm not sure how much more your expecting out of the TE position in terms of receiving? If we had Kittle or Kelce they'd make about 1800 yards in our offense, but that's why we're not offering Ertz their money. If you can get 1100 yards a year out of a Richard Rodgers contract, I'm not sure a properly functioning offense needs the extra 700 yards enough to justify the massive leap in salary. And we probably need all the cap we can get because Fulgham is going to ask a lot more than 142 grand to play next year. Your logic is well if we add them all together they’re gonna be fine so why am I even considering paying goedert his next contract when i can just find tight ends like Rodgers who can give me some production and just add them together? Am I gonna get to pay them all the same price that Rodgers is getting going forward? No. goedert is up for a second contract after this season. Add on Dallas goedert was your second round pick and he can’t outproduce a journeyman tight end? You don’t think that’s a issue? So the fact that he is not producing over Richard Rodgers even though he’s grossly out snapping him the last two games is a problem. Unless you’re just gonna let Dallas goedert walk and just continue to go with tight end who are making minimal salary to add up their production. you can slice it and what you like, but Dallas Goedert should be way better and way more productive than Richard Rodgers it shouldn’t even be close. The way people were talking about him on this board was he was the next coming and a top-five tighten in the league. So he’s a top-five tight in the league that can’t be better than Richard Rodgers who is playing less snaps than him. If you don’t see that as a problem I don’t know what to tell you. What’s the point of paying Dallas Goedert his second contract if he cannot out produce or be more effective than a journeyman TE playing just 31% of the snaps? It’s an honest question because there’s no point in paying him big money if you can get the same type of production from what is considered a lesser player. So unless goedert is going to make the same amount of money as Richard Rodgers in his next contract seems to me that he should be much better Richard Rodgers when he is getting more snaps then Rogers over the last two games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochis_Calhoun Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Your logic is well if we add them all together they’re gonna be fine so why am I even considering paying goedert his next contract when i can just find tight ends like Rodgers who can give me some production and just add them together? Am I gonna get to pay them all the same price that Rodgers is getting going forward? No. goedert is up for a second contract after this season. Add on Dallas goedert was your second round pick and he can’t outproduce a journeyman tight end? You don’t think that’s a issue? So the fact that he is not producing over Richard Rodgers even though he’s grossly out snapping him the last two games is a problem. Unless you’re just gonna let Dallas goedert walk and just continue to go with tight end who are making minimal salary to add up their production. you can slice it and what you like, but Dallas Goedert should be way better and way more productive than Richard Rodgers it shouldn’t even be close. The way people were talking about him on this board was he was the next coming and a top-five tighten in the league. So he’s a top-five tight in the league that can’t be better than Richard Rodgers who is playing less snaps than him. If you don’t see that as a problem I don’t know what to tell you. What’s the point of paying Dallas Goedert his second contract if he cannot out produce or be more effective than a journeyman TE playing just 31% of the snaps? It’s an honest question because there’s no point in paying him big money if you can get the same type of production from what is considered a lesser player. So unless goedert is going to make the same amount of money as Richard Rodgers in his next contract seems to me that he should be much better Richard Rodgers when he is getting more snaps then Rogers over the last two games I just think Goedert is rusty, he's had no pre season and he's been injured a lot of this one, plus he almost got broken in half early on last night because Wentz thinks he's throwing the ball to Wilt Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I just think Goedert is rusty, he's had no pre season and he's been injured a lot of this one, plus he almost got broken in half early on last night because Wentz thinks he's throwing the ball to Wilt Chamberlain. Possible that he is Rusty. However I’m still concerned that Zack Ertz is not out there so he should be getting those targets. To me the last seven games of this year he has to show me more. I have a hard time giving him a second contract this offseason knowing he’s had injury concerns throughout his career and when Ertz wasn’t there he didn’t produce like I thought we would. I’m hoping you’re right and he starts getting going but it feels Like even with wentz inaccuracy that the eagles aren’t making him a focal point like they did with ertz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma_is_a_guy Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Honestly the Eagles are probably the third best team in the NFC East right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weko Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: It would be a bad thing because you’re paying Zach Ertz a lot of money and your future at the tight end position should be Dallas Goedert and Dallas Goedert has not looked better than Richard Rodgers over most of the season when he has played. Even with some of those poor throws by wentz, it’s not as if Dallas goedert has asserted himself into being worthy of a big payday that’s coming up if you let ertz go. That’s the problem. Everyone wants to get rid of Zach Ertz because we don’t wanna pay him but you have to have somebody that could step in and be as productive as he was over the last four seasons. Right now Dallas goedert hasn’t proven he can stay healthy and when he does play some of wentz’s fault but also some of his fault to show he is capable of being as productive as ertz was from 2017-2019. If Richard Rodgers is showing me more ability to get open and make plays on the field then Dallas goedert outside of the week 1 game then we have serious issues going forward at the position In a pure football analysis I agree, but there are massive salary cap concerns. We have to shed salary and Ertz is on the other side of 30 and wants huge money we don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weko Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Your logic is well if we add them all together they’re gonna be fine so why am I even considering paying goedert his next contract when i can just find tight ends like Rodgers who can give me some production and just add them together? Am I gonna get to pay them all the same price that Rodgers is getting going forward? No. goedert is up for a second contract after this season. Add on Dallas goedert was your second round pick and he can’t outproduce a journeyman tight end? You don’t think that’s a issue? So the fact that he is not producing over Richard Rodgers even though he’s grossly out snapping him the last two games is a problem. Unless you’re just gonna let Dallas goedert walk and just continue to go with tight end who are making minimal salary to add up their production. you can slice it and what you like, but Dallas Goedert should be way better and way more productive than Richard Rodgers it shouldn’t even be close. The way people were talking about him on this board was he was the next coming and a top-five tighten in the league. So he’s a top-five tight in the league that can’t be better than Richard Rodgers who is playing less snaps than him. If you don’t see that as a problem I don’t know what to tell you. What’s the point of paying Dallas Goedert his second contract if he cannot out produce or be more effective than a journeyman TE playing just 31% of the snaps? It’s an honest question because there’s no point in paying him big money if you can get the same type of production from what is considered a lesser player. So unless goedert is going to make the same amount of money as Richard Rodgers in his next contract seems to me that he should be much better Richard Rodgers when he is getting more snaps then Rogers over the last two games I think it's difficult to make assumptions based on recent performance. The scheme is so limited, the route trees too. Very predictable. Little to no top end speed/talent combos at WR to stretch the field and create space underneath for others. Greg Cosell of NFL films remarks that our scheme is predicated on receivers winning one on one battles every play. Little imagination, motion, stacking a side, imaginative route tree combos that shake loose players for wide open throws. Question: Why is it that our WRs are very rarely wide open on intermediate and longer throws? When you watch other offenses there are many wide open WRs that make for easy completions. Wentz has lousy pass protection then rarely has WRs that can separate due to bad schemes, plays calls and lack of speed/route running. The whole O is a mess and has to be blown up with a new coordinator. Very difficult to judge players based on these conditions. We can't afford Ertz. We're way over the cap and it's going down next year. He has to go for a 3rd round pick, maybe another late one in a future year. We should keep both Goedert and Rogers. The money aspect makes that an easy call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, weko said: In a pure football analysis I agree, but there are massive salary cap concerns. We have to shed salary and Ertz is on the other side of 30 and wants huge money we don't have. Oh I’m not for signing ertz to an extension. And not against trading him this off season. I’m more concerned with giving goedert his second contract. I don’t think he’s proven he can stay healthy enough or be dominant enough to get the money i believe he’s going to ask for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Karma_is_a_guy said: Honestly the Eagles are probably the third best team in the NFC East right now. I wouldn’t even say third best if Andy dalton is playing and actually looks average. Alex smith and Washington are better imo. Better defense just need a couple more weapons and QB play. Giants are a better team. They should’ve won the first time if engram doesn’t drop a wide open pass in the final moments. Add on those teams might not be good but they battle week in and week out. Sometimes i watch the eagles i say how many guys are giving it their all. Brandon Graham chasing down gallman 20 yards down the field shows me he is. Every other DLinemen just stood there and watched without making an effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBhunter58 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!Thank you for continuing to have the energy to write these up 🙂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 19 hours ago, Damanick10 said: The good: Nothing The bad: Some things The ugly: Everything Short..but very accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJWolverEagle11 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 20 hours ago, Damanick10 said: The good: Nothing The bad: Some things The ugly: Everything The retarded: everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOORDA Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: If I add up all three's stats I make a single TE who has around 600 yards through 9 games, I'm not sure how much more your expecting out of the TE position in terms of receiving? If we had Kittle or Kelce they'd make about 1800 yards in our offense, but that's why we're not offering Ertz their money. If you can get 1100 yards a year out of a Richard Rodgers contract, I'm not sure a properly functioning offense needs the extra 700 yards enough to justify the massive leap in salary. And we probably need all the cap we can get because Fulgham is going to ask a lot more than 142 grand to play next year. I miss having a te that makes clutch 3rd down conversions and rz td’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 As frustrating as this game was to the Eagles... Kudos to the Giants, really. They played a good game. They got the ball first, scored a TD, and never looked back. No turnovers, no big mistakes. They brought it on defense. Every time the Eagles looked to crawl back in it, the Giants came up with a play and shut it down. The Eagles weren't bailed out this time by any fluky plays or bad turnovers from the Giants. They need to look at themselves in a mirror and realize this is who they are right now. As good as the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBhunter58 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, toolg said: As frustrating as this game was to the Eagles... Kudos to the Giants, really. They played a good game. They got the ball first, scored a TD, and never looked back. No turnovers, no big mistakes. They brought it on defense. Every time the Eagles looked to crawl back in it, the Giants came up with a play and shut it down. The Eagles weren't bailed out this time by any fluky plays or bad turnovers from the Giants. They need to look at themselves in a mirror and realize this is who they are right now. As good as the Giants. And I was dead wrong about Daniel Jones. He did not look like this in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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