Dear Coach Pederson

[matchew88]

Dear Coach Pederson,

How does it feel to ruin a franchise quarterback and then scapegoat him to save your career?

 

Sincerely,

Anyone paying attention

[GeorgeM37]

13 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

Dear Coach Pederson,

How does it feel to ruin a franchise quarterback and then scapegoat him to save your career?

 

Sincerely,

Anyone paying attention

Ok, I'll bite: how exactly did doug ruin this guy again?

[time2rock]

Dear Doug,

Please take Howie with you on your way out!!  

Sincerely,

All of Us

[Utebird]

Take your water bottle too Dougie!

[vaff]

16 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Ok, I'll bite: how exactly did doug ruin this guy again?

He never. If anybody ruined him it’s JaDeveon Clowney.

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Doug is scapegoating carson...?

 

are you implying benching him is wrong? Carson is the reason carson is getting benched, Doug actually tried to avoid it

[Talonblood]

50 minutes ago, vaff said:

He never. If anybody ruined him it’s JaDeveon Clowney.

I still believe that he has post concussion, neurological (nearly pissed myself- I spelled it right without Google) issues that aren't easily detected by doctors. Like Carson is 3 to 5 seconds behind when things start to move fast- like playing football. I think that hit did way more damage than doctors think. Just the way he plays, just how he lost all his mechanics, too. I could be wrong, but THAT would explain a lot of things about his decline.

Side note: Lurie, Howie and Doug all help F up Wentz as well. If Wentz does get traded down the line, I bet he balls out again, if his brain recovers all the way. We'll see.

[RastaPasta]

11 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

I still believe that he has post concussion, neurological (nearly pissed myself- I spelled it right without Google) issues that aren't easily detected by doctors. Like Carson is 3 to 5 seconds behind when things start to move fast- like playing football. I think that hit did way more damage than doctors think. Just the way he plays, just how he lost all his mechanics, too. I could be wrong, but THAT would explain a lot of things about his decline.

Side note: Lurie, Howie and Doug all help F up Wentz as well. If Wentz does get traded down the line, I bet he balls out again, if his brain recovers all the way. We'll see.

I doubt he has literal brain damage -- to the extent that it would change the way he plays QB -- but I do think the cumulative toll of injuries, the pressure created by Foles winning a SB, the pressure due to Hurts, the poor O-line, the poor WRs, etc... has just broken him mentally.

[nipples]

Yes, it’s Doug’s fault that Wentz  can’t stop throwing the ball over receiver’s heads, holding the ball too long, and doesn’t see receiver’s when they’re open. 

[wtfcares]

1 hour ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Ok, I'll bite: how exactly did doug ruin this guy again?

 

8 minutes ago, nipples said:

Yes, it’s Doug’s fault that Wentz  can’t stop throwing the ball over receiver’s heads, holding the ball too long, and doesn’t see receiver’s when they’re open. 

No innovation or idea how to take advantage of players strengths, no rollouts, long slow developing routes when the OL isn’t protecting well to begin with, no commitment to the running game, the list goes on. It’s all been documented plenty over the last few months. It’s also evident when Hurtz came in, also got sacked 3 times in less than a half, and completed less than 50% of his passes. 
 

But keep scapegoating Wentz and blaming brain damage 😂. Maybe when we see the same results next few weeks or when Wentz goes somewhere else and balls out you guys will get it. 

[Next_Up]

3 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

 

No innovation or idea how to take advantage of players strengths, no rollouts, long slow developing routes when the OL isn’t protecting well to begin with, no commitment to the running game, the list goes on. It’s all been documented plenty over the last few months. It’s also evident when Hurtz came in, also got sacked 3 times in less than a half, and completed less than 50% of his passes. 
 

But keep scapegoating Wentz and blaming brain damage 😂. Maybe when we see the same results next few weeks or when Wentz goes somewhere else and balls out you guys will get it. 

If Wentz can get back to form someplace else, good for him. Nobody is making a case for ill will against the young man and being resentful if he succeeds somewhere else is petty.  The observation from his play and subsequent conclusion is that he is not getting back to form with the Birds. He is getting worse and is arguably the worst QB in the league. Take all the cause and effect out of it and that is what he is and has been sliding toward since 2017 with a fall off a cliff this year. He is just one piece of a multi-part organizational dysfunction but he is also paid to deliver like a franchise QB and he is not doing so. Everyone working anywhere has a situation and there are always challenges. His is far from perfect but that doesn't not relieve him of responsibility for his head scratchingly poor play. I would guess that it is no fun being Carson Wentz, QB of the Philadelphia Eagles, right now. It is time for a change and the hope should be that it works out great for everyone involved (except Roseman who is the GM equivalent of Wentz's performance and not just this year. Howie needs to go if for no other reason that the team needs to draft more effectively if they have any shot of contending in the future).

[NOTW]

1 hour ago, vaff said:

He never. If anybody ruined him it’s JaDeveon Clowney.

No, he's been playing badly in stretches since Reich left.  Fans have complained the last 3 years about Carson's performance, it's not just the Clowney hit.

It's been 3 years of up and down after a great first 2 years.  Whether he has starters or not, whether the coaching is good or not.  

This year everything has been bad:  injuries, coaching, WRs, O line, defense putting them in position to be down and need to catch up. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, NOTW said:

No, he's been playing badly in stretches since Reich left.  Fans have complained the last 3 years about Carson's performance, it's not just the Clowney hit.

It's been 3 years of up and down after a great first 2 years.  Whether he has starters or not, whether the coaching is good or not.  

This year everything has been bad:  injuries, coaching, WRs, O line, defense putting them in position to be down and need to catch up. 

#facts

[vaff]

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

No, he's been playing badly in stretches since Reich left.  Fans have complained the last 3 years about Carson's performance, it's not just the Clowney hit.

It's been 3 years of up and down after a great first 2 years.  Whether he has starters or not, whether the coaching is good or not.  

This year everything has been bad:  injuries, coaching, WRs, O line, defense putting them in position to be down and need to catch up. 

He’s been far worse this year than he’s ever been. It’s not even close. 

[NOTW]

1 minute ago, vaff said:

He’s been far worse this year than he’s ever been. It’s not even close. 

I know.  

People keep peddling this idea that all of a sudden this year he's playing badly and making all sorts of excuses based on this year only.  The Clowney hit, the O line, WRs, etc.

It's been a 3 year problem.  Even this year when he had all starters on the O line except Dillard and all his skill players, he was playing badly.  There are valid reasons contributing to his poor play, but he also takes blame.  

[vaff]

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I know.  

People keep peddling this idea that all of a sudden this year he's playing badly and making all sorts of excuses based on this year only.  The Clowney hit, the O line, WRs, etc.

It's been a 3 year problem.  Even this year when he had all starters on the O line except Dillard and all his skill players, he was playing badly.  There are valid reasons contributing to his poor play, but he also takes blame.  

Honestly, last year I felt his season was divided into four parts:

First half of the season - He was mostly pretty good, but he started games too slowly at times, and got let down several times by his receivers (Agholor had multiple huge drops late in games)

Middle of the season vs NE and Seattle - this is where everyone started to get hurt at the same time, and he struggled immensely vs those two teams.

End of season/stretch run - he played one of the best stretches of his career, and was the #1 reason the Eagles made the playoffs.

Playoffs - Clowney hit.

[wtfcares]

39 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

If Wentz can get back to form someplace else, good for him. Nobody is making a case for ill will against the young man and being resentful if he succeeds somewhere else is petty.  The observation from his play and subsequent conclusion is that he is not getting back to form with the Birds. He is getting worse and is arguably the worst QB in the league. Take all the cause and effect out of it and that is what he is and has been sliding toward since 2017 with a fall off a cliff this year. He is just one piece of a multi-part organizational dysfunction but he is also paid to deliver like a franchise QB and he is not doing so. Everyone working anywhere has a situation and there are always challenges. His is far from perfect but that doesn't not relieve him of responsibility for his head scratchingly poor play. I would guess that it is no fun being Carson Wentz, QB of the Philadelphia Eagles, right now. It is time for a change and the hope should be that it works out great for everyone involved (except Roseman who is the GM equivalent of Wentz's performance and not just this year. Howie needs to go if for no other reason that the team needs to draft more effectively if they have any shot of contending in the future).

There’s no question he’s regressed in last 3 years. You gotta go one step further and question why has he regressed every single year since 2017? That doesn’t just happen to players playing  at MVP level. The main difference has been the departure of Reich. Since he’s left it’s exposed Doug. We’ve replaced WR coaches 5 years in a row. We’ve replaced OCs. Still the same results. At some point we gotta realize the main issue has been the head coach. The team loves him as a guy but poor preparation, poor game planning, and poor playcalling has lead to this regression. We can point out Carson’s issues all we want but these issues did not exist when Reich was here and they’ve gotten worse year after year since he’s left. 

[SNOORDA]

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Take your water bottle too Dougie!

[time2rock]

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Take your water bottle too Dougie!

W ... T ... F ... is he doing?!?!!  Dear Jesus that was like a SNL skit!  

[Next_Up]

46 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

There’s no question he’s regressed in last 3 years. You gotta go one step further and question why has he regressed every single year since 2017? That doesn’t just happen to players playing  at MVP level. The main difference has been the departure of Reich. Since he’s left it’s exposed Doug. We’ve replaced WR coaches 5 years in a row. We’ve replaced OCs. Still the same results. At some point we gotta realize the main issue has been the head coach. The team loves him as a guy but poor preparation, poor game planning, and poor playcalling has lead to this regression. We can point out Carson’s issues all we want but these issues did not exist when Reich was here and they’ve gotten worse year after year since he’s left. 

No disagreement with the role the coaches have played in the train wreck. What sticks in my mind, however, is how his mechanics have gotten horrible from being not great to begin with. At the end of the day, I put this on Wentz. If I got the job of my dreams and people pointed out that I had a flaw that might cause me to fail or not achieve as highly as I could, I would dedicate myself to correcting it,as would most people. His continued "this is who I am and how I play..." perspective speaks to his lack of self-awareness about his role in his current lack of success. Trying harder and not changing when you are doing something poorly typically means that you do things poorly to a greater degree. He is inaccurate, from feet to hips to arm, elbow and ball position, he is a kind of a total mess and it shows in his play. I seem to recall that between his first and second seasons he spent time with a QB guru working on these issues? I might be thinking about a different QB but at the end of the day, it is his work to do. Maybe coaches who road him harder and were more frank about his flaws would have helped but he is not a victim of the outside world in this sense. This is, of course, conjecture and opinion. I don't know what Wentz does in terms of his personal commitment to his craft, but, I can say that whatever his is doing, it aint workin'

[Utebird]

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

W ... T ... F ... is he doing?!?!!  Dear Jesus that was like a SNL skit!  

Meth is a helluva drug...

[brkmsn]

2 hours ago, RastaPasta said:

I doubt he has literal brain damage -- to the extent that it would change the way he plays QB -- but I do think the cumulative toll of injuries, the pressure created by Foles winning a SB, the pressure due to Hurts, the poor O-line, the poor WRs, etc... has just broken him mentally.

I think it just boils down to "how the ball bounces." This season, too many things just haven't gone favorably. Wentz' QB rating is terrible for Wentz at 72.8, but Elway, for example, had 4 seasons worse than that in his first 10 seasons. Over his career, Elway averaged over 14 INTs per season and never had less than 10 in one season (even in seasons shortened by injury, strike, etc... ).

I still think Wentz had his worst season this year. He has gotten away with (as most QBs do) missing open WRs in the past by completing passes to another player he chose to target. This year, drives are stalling instead because of those decisions. This year, there were a lot of "almost" plays that just didn't go our way.

Regardless, I would not have benched Wentz and I certainly wouldn't justify it by claiming Hurts provided a spark Sunday. Hurts came in and we went up-tempo --- something that has sparked our offense several times this season with Wentz. So are we going to go up-tempo all game vs the Saints? Also, why didn't we do it last week with Wentz? These are coaching decisions and I have a feeling we'll see that our wins and losses are coming down to coaching decisions. I mean ... if you change the QB, you had better change the result. 

[time2rock]

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Meth is a helluva drug...

 

 

[EazyEaglez]

Yeah I don’t think this move saves Doug’s job at all. Even if Hurts goes out there and kills it I think Doug is done. He’s auditioning to coach someplace else right now. Still we focus on the wrong things. Howie must go. 

[greend]

4 hours ago, matchew88 said:

Dear Coach Pederson,

How does it feel to ruin a franchise quarterback and then scapegoat him to save your career?

 

Sincerely,

Anyone paying attention

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