1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Jefferson was getting passes thrown to him from the number 1 pick in the draft who had a historic college season, all while playing with the best WR in the country drawing attention away from him. Can’t believe how upset people are that we didn’t pick up a slot WR in the first. 

Jefferson is one of the reasons Burrow was the first pick in the draft. If you can;t see Jefferson winning his match ups by his precision in his routes and movement after the catch then there is no point even going back and forth with you. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Jefferson is one of the reasons Burrow was the first pick in the draft. If you can;t see Jefferson winning his match ups by his precision in his routes and movement after the catch then there is no point even going back and forth with you. 

HE’S A SLOT WR. Yes he’s going to be a very good one and I wouldn’t have been upset if he was the choice, but I’m happier with Reagor giving us a downfield threat and positional versatility. 

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Jefferson was getting passes thrown to him from the number 1 pick in the draft who had a historic college season, all while playing with the best WR in the country drawing attention away from him. Can’t believe how upset people are that we didn’t pick up a slot WR in the first. 

Jefferson has shown he can be productive and reliable. He also had a faster official 40 time than Reagor at the combine. Meanwhile Reagor, regardless of how bad his QBs were, only had 600 yards receiving last year and has a history of drops and mental lapses. 

Don't hate this pick, but will have to see how he translates in the NFL.  With the injury history of our wide outs we are going to see a lot of this kid this year.

Could swear I heard a collective groan from Philadelphia all the way up here in New England when the Cowboys grabbed Lamb.  

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

HE’S A SLOT WR. Yes he’s going to be a very good one and I wouldn’t have been upset if he was the choice, but I’m happier with Reagor giving us a downfield threat and positional versatility. 

He was used as a slot WR. Why do you think his game can't be developed or expanded? He has 4.43 speed. That's not exactly slow.

Reagor has an underdeveloped route tree and basically only took short passes or went deep. If all you want is a deep threat, you could've taken any raw, fast WR later on with ST return background.

4 minutes ago, graysferry said:

Jefferson has shown he can be productive and reliable. He also had a faster official 40 time than Reagor at the combine. Meanwhile Reagor, regardless of how bad his QBs were, only had 600 yards receiving last year and has a history of drops and mental lapses. 

Lot of reports that Reagor runs faster than his 40 time reflected.  I'm not worried about his speed. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings-breaking-down-the-top-10-by-traits-and-skills/

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The 2020 wide receiver draft class entered last college football season with a fair amount hype, and, unlike what typically happens, it actually exceeded expectations. This wideout class has been touted by, well, everybody, as the best wide receiver class since the famed 2014 group, a collection of receivers with top-level talent and an incredible amount of depth. Below I've ranked each of the consensus top 10 wideouts by the qualities/traits I deem most necessary to be successful at the position in the pros (listed in order of importance*). I've also added one player who should be available a bit later in the draft that excels at each particular trait.

Releases/route running

1. Jerry Jeudy
2. Jalen Reagor
3. Henry Ruggs
4. CeeDee Lamb
5. Laviska Shenault
6. K.J. Hamler
7. Brandon Aiyuk
8. Tee Higgins
9. Denzel Mims
10. Justin Jefferson

Jeudy is the most squeaky-clean route runner I've ever scouted, and Reagor, while not someone who ran as many routes as Jeudy, has the explosion and smoothness to turn defensive backs with ease. Ruggs is far from a solely linear athlete, but his natural speed and deceptive twitch will help him to get open regularly in the NFL. Lamb and Shenault are good route runners for their size and Hamler's loose hips allow him to rapidly get out of his breaks. All of Aiyuk, Higgins, Mims, and Jefferson are quality athletes on the field, they just weren't asked to run more than a few routes in college. 

Sleeper: K.J. Hill and Van Jefferson

I had to give both Hill and Jefferson the sleeper label here. They're both 10-year NFL veterans as route salesmen. Hill rarely (if ever?) saw press coverage at Ohio State, so while he knows how to lose a corner during his route with shoulder fakes, head fakes, and lightning-quick feet, it could take him time to learn the nuances of combating tight man coverage at the line of scrimmage. Jefferson, on the other hand, has the best releases in the class, plenty of athleticism and route nuance to free himself at the short and intermediate levels.

Contested-catch ability

1. Tee Higgins
2. Justin Jefferson
3. CeeDee Lamb
4. Denzel Mims
5. Jalen Reagor
6. Henry Ruggs
7. Jerry Jeudy
8. Laviska Shenault
9. Brandon Aiyuk
10. K.J. Hamler

Higgins has the best combination of high-pointing and contested-catch ability I've scouted since Mike Evans. Jefferson flashed the ability to make difficult grabs while contorting his body, but his nearly perfect contested-catch win rate from 2019 was skewed due to exquisitely accurate throws from Joe Burrow and was more about Jefferson's ability to track the ball as opposed to jumping over a cornerback and catching it with arms extended. Lamb and Mims are circus-grab wizards, and Reagor plays a lot bigger than his sub-5-foot-11 height would suggest because of his leaping ability and natural hands. Neither Ruggs nor Jeudy are being drafted for their contested-catch skills but can make those receptions on occasion. Shenault and Aiyuk have flashed in this area, and Hamler isn't a contested-grab receiver. 

Sleeper: Isaiah Hodgins

Hodgins is right around the same size at Higgins and has a massive catch radius. While his body control isn't as ridiculous, he has large, strong hands and is not timid when needing to go up and get it. He rarely drops the football.

Yards after the catch

1. CeeDee Lamb
2. Jalen Reagor
3. Laviska Shenault
4. Jerry Jeudy
5. Henry Ruggs
6. K.J. Hamler
7. Brandon Aiyuk
8. Tee Higgins
9. Denzel Mims
10. Justin Jefferson

Lamb brings tears of joy to my eyes when I watch him after the catch. From vision to cutting ability, to outrageous contact balance, and scary acceleration, he's the total package with the ball in his hands. Reagor possesses dynamic athleticism, smooth juking, and plays a lot faster than his 4.47 time on the field. Throughout this draft process, in my notes, in articles, and on the radio, I've repeatedly referred to Shenault as a horse in space. Strong, large with freaky speed and great contact balance. At 6-1 and 227 pounds, NFL cornerbacks are going to have trouble corralling him right away. Ruggs and Hamler are mostly speed-based YAC receivers yet both flashed some flexibility to cut away from defenders with the ball in their hands. Aiyuk is a burner with the ball in his hands, and Higgins, Mims, and Jefferson have surprising, efficient YAC ability despite being taller, perimeter wideouts. No one in this group is a liability in this vital area.

Sleeper: Joe Reed

My comparison for Reed is Deebo Samuel, which should tell you how highly I view the Virginia star. At 6-0 and 224 pounds, he has a feature-back body, effortlessly gliding through arm-tackle attempts, and his short-area quickness is like that of a ball-carrier too. While Reed ran under 4.50 at the combine, he doesn't play that fast, so the YAC he'll get will mostly be by way of making defenders miss or absorbing contact and continuing forward as opposed to hitting home runs. He's a super-fun, made-for-the-modern-day NFL sleeper prospect. 

Downfield speed

1. Henry Ruggs
2. K.J. Hamler
3. Jalen Reagor
4. Jerry Jeudy
5. Denzel Mims
6. CeeDee Lamb
7. Justin Jefferson
8. Brandon Aiyuk
9. Laviska Shenault
10. Tee Higgins

Ruggs is stupid fast. The end. Hamler didn't run at the combine but looks like a high 4.3 wideout on film with incredible burst off the line. Reagor flies. So does Jeudy. Mims ran 4.38 in Indianapolis, which doesn't exactly match the film, but he'll run away from people after catching the football. Lamb, Jefferson, and Aiyuk all play at around 4.50 on the field and Shenault and Higgins certainly aren't lumbers on deep balls.

Sleeper: Darnell Mooney

I could've gone John Hightower from Boise State here because he's a gazelle. Instead, I'll go a bit deeper. Mooney is a 5-10, 176-pound rocket who ran 4.38 at the combine and plays to that speed on the field. He was more of a possession wideout in 2019 with a 14.7 yards-per-catch average but finished with a 20.7 average in 2018. The Tulane receiver's burst off the snap and second gear are both phenomenal traits to have. 

Position fits 

Outside

1. Tee Higgins
2. Brandon Aiyuk
3. CeeDee Lamb
4. Laviska Shenault
5. Denzel Mims
6. Jerry Jeudy
7. Jalen Reagor
8. Henry Ruggs
9. Justin Jefferson
10. K.J. Hamler

Higgins is your quintessential outside receiver in the NFL thanks to his size, rare body control, and enormous catch radius. Aiyuk was mostly deployed on the outside in college. Lamb and Shenault can be moved around but won't be uncomfortable against bigger corners on the perimeter. Mims is probably best as a big slot yet has the physicality to deal with bigger corners he'll see near the sideline. Jeudy is clearly more deadly in the slot than at one of the outside receiver spots. Reagor played more than 80% of his snaps at one of the outside positions, but his talent would be most accentuated as an inside option. Ruggs and Hamler could destroy the seam down the field from the slot and Jefferson almost solely produced from the slot in 2019.

Sleeper: Bryan Edwards

Edwards is bound to fall in the draft after breaking his foot early in the pre-draft process. The South Carolina star produced for four-consecutive seasons and at 6-3 and 215 pounds with crafty footwork and impressive hands to beat press at the line and he saw a lot of that press coverage in the SEC. 

Slot

1. Jerry Jeudy
2. K.J. Hamler
3. Jalen Reagor
4. Justin Jefferson
5. Henry Ruggs
6. Denzel Mims
7. CeeDee Lamb
8. Tee Higgins
9. Laviska Shenault
10. Brandon Aiyuk

Given his twitch, explosion, and route nuance, Jeudy will essentially be impossible for NFL corners to touch when he's aligned in the slot. I've long said Hamler's burst off the line is as freaky as Jeudy's, and Reagor, with the space afforded to inside receivers, will provide a myriad of options for the offense he's in. Jefferson is basically a slot-only wideout and Ruggs, given his size, should probably at least start on the slot in the NFL. The rest of the receivers would pass as occasional big slots to take advantage of mismatches and have the ball skills to win in traffic over the middle. 

Sleeper: Tyler Johnson

The Minnesota star can be utilized anywhere yet his high-end wiggle, handwork at the line, and running-back like yards-after-the-catch skill will be most effective inside in the NFL, where those attributes will be more important than his (somewhat lacking) long speed. 

 

I don't know. When I watched his game tape it didn't impress me as much as Jefferson or Higgins tape. 

for that matter, Desean Jackson's tape was better as well.

I hope he isn't a bust but becomes a productive player for us who can catch the ball and get over the top of the Defense. 

Im glad they took reagor over jefferson.  I dont think jeffersons game translates to the nfl at all.  I think he wont be able to match the physicality.  And i wanted a young version of djax anyways.  Yeah a big wr would be great. But we have a set of big te’s. We have a big qb who has no problem hitting a guy like reagor.  Look what wentz and djax accomplished in one game.   
 

i think Reagor is going to finally break the spell of drafting below average wrs for the eagles and complement wentz perfectly. 

8 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Lot of reports that Reagor runs faster than his 40 time reflected.  I'm not worried about his speed. 

Apparently that only depends on his weight which seems to fluctuate depending on who's timing his 40 time

Just now, SNOORDA said:

Im glad they took reagor over jefferson.  I dont think jeffersons game translates to the nfl at all.  I think he wont be able to match the physicality.  And i wanted a young version of djax anyways.  Yeah a big wr would be great. But we have a set of big te’s. We have a big qb who has no problem hitting a guy like reagor.  Look what wentz and djax accomplished in one game.   
 

i think Reagor is going to finally break the spell of drafting below average wrs for the eagles and complement wentz perfectly. 

I hope so. But his below average productivity in college doesn't inspire confidence.

I'm gonna withhold my opinion on this pick until we see if he can catch the damn ball.

12 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

i want to see him with better qb play.  as been noted, he didn't have the best recently which could have factored into who his hands were being questioned.  carson (imho) would be a step up from that.

also, i'm not expecting jerry rice levels of route running from a guy we KNOW what we want from.  we want him to take the top off of defenses and create separation.  if he does that with a slugo or a go route in his rookie season, fantastic.

as far as jeffreson.. i don't want ANOTHER slot receiver, lacking that extra gear, that was helped by a qb having probably one of the best seasons of any college qb ever.

i see more agholor in jeffreson.  so glad we did NOT go that route.

Reagor is a slot receiver, he's projected as mainly a slot or z guy because he doesn't do well with contact on the outside, plus he's short and has a smaller radius than the ideal for a deep threat. Jefferson is 4 inches taller and played all over for LSU.

Preferring Reagor who didn't catch balls because his QB 'wasn't good enough' over Jefferson who snagged loads of receptions because his QB was good enough just about kills me.

Ever since the season ended I've read and agreed with lots of people saying our FO can't evaluate WR's worth a damn, I've read 13 separate WR draft prospect rankings from NFL.com to Yahoo and can only find 2 that have Reagor higher than 8th, yet we took him as the 4th WR off the board, it would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn Eagles.

14 minutes ago, graysferry said:

He was used as a slot WR. Why do you think his game can't be developed or expanded? He has 4.43 speed. That's not exactly slow.

Reagor has an underdeveloped route tree and basically only took short passes or went deep. If all you want is a deep threat, you could've taken any raw, fast WR later on with ST return background.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings-breaking-down-the-top-10-by-traits-and-skills/

3 minutes ago, graysferry said:

Apparently that only depends on his weight which seems to fluctuate depending on who's timing his 40 time

Yea, I saw that too.  Some BS about water weight.  We'll just have to keep him away from cheesesteaks and limit his Gatorade intake on game day.

5 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Reagor is a slot receiver, he's projected as mainly a slot or z guy because he doesn't do well with contact on the outside, plus he's short and has a smaller radius than the ideal for a deep threat. Jefferson is 4 inches taller and played all over for LSU.

Preferring Reagor who didn't catch balls because his QB 'wasn't good enough' over Jefferson who snagged loads of receptions because his QB was good enough just about kills me.

Ever since the season ended I've read and agreed with lots of people saying our FO can't evaluate WR's worth a damn, I've read 13 separate WR draft prospect rankings from NFL.com to Yahoo and can only find 2 that have Reagor higher than 8th, yet we took him as the 4th WR off the board, it would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn Eagles.

lol. the amout wrong in this post is mind boggling.

3 minutes ago, graysferry said:

Apparently that only depends on his weight which seems to fluctuate depending on who's timing his 40 time

I hope so. But his below average productivity in college doesn't inspire confidence.

He was in a garbage offense with a garbage qb.  I wouldnt read into the stats there.   We dont need 1000 yrd wrs we need guys that dont disappear for entire games and/or miss entire seasons due to injury.  
 

we need pieces to complement what we already have.  We need speed.  and reagor fits the bill.  
 

i do think he could have been had in the early 2nd rnd but need a trade partner for that and apparently there was none

How is a guy supposed to produce in college when his qbs are downright garbage?

I really like the pick other than passing on 2 of the best linebackers in the nation in Murray and Queen. I think it came down to value, the eagles really valued Reagor more obviously and highley coveted a outside speed receiving threat. 

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-rankings-breaking-down-the-top-10-by-traits-and-skills/

Hell, I can do the random article to back my argument, too

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2020-longtime-nfl-coach-reportedly-calls-one-wr-prospect-the-best-hes-scouted-in-40-years/

8 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I honestly don't know if I should like it or dislike it. I don't follow college, so I don't know anything about him. 

Lol I'm in the same boat. I kept reading mixed reviews. One thing clear is Lamb going to Dallas is equivalent to hell

1 minute ago, graysferry said:

Hell, I can do the random article to back my argument, too

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2020-longtime-nfl-coach-reportedly-calls-one-wr-prospect-the-best-hes-scouted-in-40-years/

Funny that both our articles are from the same source. I get it, you wanted Jefferson. He’s the safer pick. I get it. I want the guy with the higher ceiling and you want the guy with the higher floor. In the end all Birds fans and we’ll all be rooting for whoever they pick when they succeed and boo them when they fail. 

4 minutes ago, graysferry said:

Hell, I can do the random article to back my argument, too

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2020-longtime-nfl-coach-reportedly-calls-one-wr-prospect-the-best-hes-scouted-in-40-years/

Is funny how that works isn't it?

4 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

lol. the amout wrong in this post is mind boggling.

Which bits, you think I read prospect ranking lists wrong?  you think the one CBS skills breakdown page you've hung your hat on outweighs that he was 9th ranked WR on their big board? or that literally every report on him says he doesn't do well with contact from physical corners on the outside and projects as a slot / z guy at NFL level?

Or is it you think our FO has a good record at WR post Maclin?

At the end of the day I hope you're right and he becomes a legit receiver, because if me and most of the sports media writers are right we just drafted another Philly reach, that'll go for 500-600yards a season trying catching the over the middle stuff that doesn't go to the TE's and screen stuff that we couldn't play worth a damn last year.

Just now, Outlaw said:

Funny that both our articles are from the same source. I get it, you wanted Jefferson. He’s the safer pick. I get it. I want the guy with the higher ceiling and you want the guy with the higher floor. In the end all Birds fans and we’ll all be rooting for whoever they pick when they succeed and boo them when they fail. 

I want the guy with proven ability and far less holes in his game. Reagor has too many question marks coming to a team that already has too many question marks at WR.

But I agree with you overall. Here's to hoping I'm wrong and he's a stud.

If it is Reagor + our 2nd or Lamb I will take the first option.