January 11, 20214 yr Just now, DawkinsOwnage03 said: Coach killer Wentz is out of excuses next year its put up or shut up. After the Lurie presser I’m not even sure if Carson will be back.
January 11, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Infam said: I don't think he did that bad, that's what I said all along. Besides Lurie is right: None of you have actually evaluated all the picks, of plenty of franchises. Nor been there in it all the way. He made it clear he took a long hard look at it, and if this would have been a bad performance overall he would indeed fire him. I believe him. You are taking a page right out of Lurie’s book with the excuses.
January 11, 20214 yr Super excessive overreaction, just because he doesn't want to fire our GM. The dude that should've been manager of the year not long ago. But hey, always on the guy all love to hate. And if the owner isn't following because he actually has a clue about what is going on with the team, let's go crazy on him too. Got to say, sometimes I wonder how much religion and stereotypes are to blame for your reactions.
January 11, 20214 yr I don't care who the new coach is and who he brings in. As long as Howie is picking the players, the coaches will fail. Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, and Don Shula could crawl out of their f'ing graves to team up and coach a Roseman Eagles roster and they would utterly fail.
January 11, 20214 yr Like I said earlier (and Lurie eventually eluded to): Howie has a job because the idea of getting the team back together and keeping their eyes on the short term was a group decision (including Lurie). It obviously failed. Because Howie was responsible for getting them to a SB roster in the first place, he's being given another chance. If it totally flops, he'll be gone. I don't agree with it, but this is the reality.
January 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, time2rock said: Dear Mrs. Lurie, Please tell your husband to pull his head out of his ass and fire Roseman! Sincerely, Pretty much everyone the Twitter poll is at 97% fire Howie. I think that's a World Record poll response...lol.
January 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Infam said: Super excessive overreaction, just because he doesn't want to fire our GM. The dude that should've been manager of the year not long ago. But hey, always on the guy all love to hate. And if the owner isn't following because he actually has a clue about what is going on with the team, let's go crazy on him too. Got to say, sometimes I wonder how much religion and stereotypes are to blame for your reactions. Go enjoy the rest of your day Howie, you're safe.
January 11, 20214 yr Wentzcuse #1 is always "he was almost an mvp in 2017, well Doug won the fing SB in 2017 lol
January 11, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Infam said: Super excessive overreaction, just because he doesn't want to fire our GM. The dude that should've been manager of the year not long ago. But hey, always on the guy all love to hate. And if the owner isn't following because he actually has a clue about what is going on with the team, let's go crazy on him too. Got to say, sometimes I wonder how much religion and stereotypes are to blame for your reactions. Infam, Results drive the narrative. Only results. Howie is an abject failure in the draft. That is a fact. When a superior roster meets an inferior roster, the superior team usually wins. Howie's job is to build a superior team, and he has proven since 2016 to present that he can't do that. So yeah, firing him is the right call.
January 11, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Swoop said: Like I said earlier (and Lurie eventually eluded to): Howie has a job because the idea of getting the team back together and keeping their eyes on the short term was a group decision (including Lurie). It obviously failed. Because Howie was responsible for getting them to a SB roster in the first place, he's being given another chance. If it totally flops, he'll be gone. I don't agree with it, but this is the reality. Nothing from that presser makes me think Howie’s job is in jeopardy is he has a bad year next year. Howie’s job seems safer than ever.m
January 11, 20214 yr I just saw this news pass by on ESPN. I can't believe it. I did not see this coming.
January 11, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Infam said: Super excessive overreaction, just because he doesn't want to fire our GM. The dude that should've been manager of the year not long ago. But hey, always on the guy all love to hate. And if the owner isn't following because he actually has a clue about what is going on with the team, let's go crazy on him too. Got to say, sometimes I wonder how much religion and stereotypes are to blame for your reactions. If I tell you I'm not overreacting and say imo he should've been fired and give valid evidence. It really doesn't matter he had one year with lightning in a bottle. The exception isnt the normal.
January 11, 20214 yr Just now, EazyEaglez said: Nothing from that presser makes me think Howie’s job is in jeopardy is he has a bad year next year. Howie’s job seems safer than ever.m I agree. I'm saying he'll have a chance to rebuild the roster and go from there. I fully expect Howie to be here for at least 2/3 years. Sucks, but it is what it is. Let's hope he turns it around, I guess.
January 11, 20214 yr For those catching up in case you can't watch the video (and since I spent all that time writing this out) here's my full paraphrase as best I could of the PC. In spoiler tags to save space scrolling. Spoiler Lurie's opening comments.: Praise for Doug, part of the family. Gotta evaluate the future and make tough decisions. What's best for the team. Not about deserving based on past. About moving forward. Doug didn't "deserve" to be let go. That's not what this is about. rah rah about winning the SB and how great the Eagles organization is/has been More praise for Doug in his role in the SB Disappointing season; wanted the Eagles to be a "light" in the dark year of 2020/pandemic After talking to Doug, felt the path forward was best for us to part ways. Thinks it's best for Doug, expect him to be a successful HC in this league. Wouldn't be surprised if he were hired as a HC this week elsewhere. Will speak to any owner to vouch for Doug Reporter questions and answers: Zack Berman: How do you weigh coaching vs personnel...how do you evaluate Howie? Lurie: I evaluate every aspect. Where I think we're at is: we made a lot of decisions to accomplish the first SB. (Rehash of what Howie has said the last 2 years). Strategic mistakes to "hold the band together." Short term personnel decisions to try and repeat SB. 2018: AJ reception away from winning another playoff game. 2019: Wentz concussion in playoff game. Claiming they've been close. We're now having to rebuild like we did in 2016. Transitional period. Howie can rebuild to a dominant team to reach potential. Transition to get younger, collect draft picks, focus on mid-term and long-term and not short term (2021). It's almost not fair to Doug, his focus on how to fix right away...Doug thinking how to do better in 2021. My vision, how to have success in the next 4-5 years. Question: Why do you feel confident in Howie, is he held accountable for his mistakes? Lurie: reasons he's confident in Howie: People Howie surrounds himself with (telling that his first answer is about others not Howie). Cited Joe Douglas and Andrew Berry as getting GM jobs elsewhere. Strong nucleus with Andy Weidl and others. Have to look at the process (dare he say "Trust the Process.). Part of evaluation: if they have guys rated high on their board who get drafted before they get to pick, they at least had it right rating the player. Don't see any reason why they won't return to "pre-eminence." Question: how much is this decision about Wentz regression and will Wentz be back? Lurie: no, not based on one player or position. But yes have to look at offense regression. The league was up in offensive points and more DPI yet Eagles were low numbers. Emphasis always on elite offense. Defense has variations throughout the year, but you have to be a top offensive unit. Hard to project at the moment that they could be a top offense. but it's more complex than just head coach. Will Wentz be back in 2021: no owner should decide that. Carson to us/me is a QB that first 4 years was elite, comparable to top QBs. 5th year not, for various reasons. They have an asset/talent who wants to win. Heart in the right place, tireless, dedicated, he's what you want. Behooves us as a staff to get him back to the level he's capable of. also understand there are many QBs in their 4th/5th year that have a single year that was bad. Peyton Manning, Big Ben cited. Takes a longer view, this was not the best season for offense and Carson...but very fixable and expect him to realize his potential. Question: are you too involved? What is your accountability for the team regressing? Lurie: same involvement for 25 years. What I do is ask a lot of questions. It's allowed us to "have a finger on the pulse" of what takes place. We have a great infrastructure and people in the building. Same people who built the SB team. Track record in 20 years: Div titles, NFCCG, etc. Involvement is good, don't micromanage and trust your people. Question Les Bowen: draft picks and free agent signings since SB haven't been good. If you have all these great people in the building, why is that? (Boom!) Lurie: have you analyzed every pick and compared to every team? Is this short-term or long-term? You see other teams with good and bad personnel decisions. what about years they didn't have high picks from trading, what about guys you wanted but other teams picked. My job is to evaluate all this, can't speak about it publicly maybe someday write a book about it. Not satisfied even when winning, can always do better. Message to Jim Schwartz after SB: wow that wasn't a good defensive performance. Good against Falcons and Vikings but not Patriots. Question: did the events of week 17 affect this? Lurie: nothing whatsoever. He heard Doug wanted to get Nate Sudfield some time. Heard Suds had a record for (something something missed it) vs Dallas one year. Was the backup to Foles in SB. I'm at practice a lot, Suds throws the best long ball on the roster. Plan was to get him more preseason before injury last year, plan was long-term backup. Offered him extension with millions. With no preseason this past year, no chance to see Suds. Jalen Hurts had an injury in the Dallas game, didn't want to hurt further. Had good intentions to get Suds in there. Eskin Question: you said difference in vision between you and Doug, what specifically? And what about vision for hiring new coaches? Lurie: don't want to get into it, private. Saw this as a retooling of the team for mid-term/long-term decisions (not short-term). How would we best set up for success 2-3 years down the road. I'd rather not talk publicly about specific coaches but we saw things differently. It's more about where we are as a franchise heading into a retooling and a real transition period, trying to attract new OC and DC and other staff. You might not have success in that transition right away, so don't want to put Doug in that position. Question: doesn't every team weight short vs long term and why was that gap not surmountable? Why can't you address both, find common ground there? Lurie: We changed our balance as a franchise from short, mid to long term. They used to be mid/long term and making unpopular decisions. Got into short-term to win SB and tried to retain the SB roster. Now getting back to mid/long term decisions. Look at final 4 teams the year they won the SB, all going through the same thing. Cited Atlanta. Teams tend to patch up post-SB and then unless you have an elite franchise QB (hmm) you have to retool. Giving up draft picks or drafting for position need are short-term. Question: league trending offense and where this roster is, what are you looking for in next HC? And who will lead search. Lurie: I will lead the search, always do. Team will help: Howie, Don Smolenski, multiple people. Relationships with different people to get info on candidates. Characteristics: rather not specify, needs to be a leader of coaches and leader of players. We had a lot of that with Doug. Leadership is important. You can hire offensive coaches, or defensive coaches with good coaching on the offensive side. But you have to have an elite offense. But HC background doesn't matter. Question: Minority coach or coordinator? Lurie: top of my mind, need some of the best minority candidates in our search. I expect Duce Staley to be a candidate. Knows our values, great representative. Question: Fans are passionate, fans think biggest problem is Howie and talent evaluation. How do you feel? No Pro Bowl picks in 7 years. Changes coming in talent evaluation? Lurie: gotta look at every aspect of drafting. short term decisions, or if you have a veteran team, if you're picking lower in the rounds. In the last 20 years we've had a lot of success, cited playoff appearances and NFCCG (most were under Reid so...) Complex, data driven analysis, I will match our performance against any team because we have really good talent on the roster. when you have a veteran roster, you're going to have less draft picks getting playing time. We will have real success as we retool... Question: have you been able to work on other coaches this week, and how to compare to other open HC jobs. Reporter threw in potential clashes with the front office. Lurie: we give great resources, history of making the playoffs and division titles vs other teams that are one and done or don't make playoffs consistenly. Cap problems are a 1 year problem, you can transition away from a cap problem in about 12 months. QB position: we have 2 good assets, both young and hungry and great people. New coach will have options, potential star in Carson and Jalen. Gives us an asset if we make a decision someday. Question: have you been evaluating potential HC candidates. Lurie: I'm always watching other teams and evaluating to see what's out there, learn new schemes, ongoing research no matter what. Always be prepared to lose a coach...did'nt know we were going to lose Frank Reich but set things in motion to replace. A lot of good candidates out there, we'll think both inside and outside the box. No rush, very important decision. This idea to rush is odd in the NFL, can't run a business like that. Have to do what's best. If you're the last to hire then good, then you don't need to rush because all the other positions are filled so you can take your time.
January 11, 20214 yr Just now, Outlaw said: I want Daboll, forget Bienemy. You’re getting Duce or Kafka.
January 11, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said: Wentzcuse #1 is always "he was almost an mvp in 2017, well Doug won the fing SB in 2017 lol Doesn't matter 😂
January 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Outlaw said: I want Daboll, forget Bienemy. Agreed. I think Bienemy would be a huge mistake. Guy has a future HoFer at QB and one of the most loaded offenses in the league. Of course he seems competent, how can you not?
January 11, 20214 yr Just now, Swoop said: I agree. I'm saying he'll have a chance to rebuild the roster and go from there. I fully expect Howie to be here for at least 2/3 years. Sucks, but it is what it is. Let's hope he turns it around, I guess. I fully expect Howie to be here as long as Lurie is owner. Not just 2/3 years.
January 11, 20214 yr Just now, EazyEaglez said: You’re getting Duce or Kafka. Duce will get a courtesy interview. Kafka? No way. If they want an explosive, innovative offense from a guy who can make QB’s look good...it’s Daboll. I also wouldn’t hate Lincoln Riley.
January 11, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, jblah said: seems like a Trump-Putin thing going on here.. YES I did have to go there! you should have said biden and xi jinping 2 idiots like howie and lurie
January 11, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Infam said: I don't think he did that bad, that's what I said all along. Besides Lurie is right: None of you have actually evaluated all the picks, of plenty of franchises. Nor been there in it all the way. He made it clear he took a long hard look at it, and if this would have been a bad performance overall he would indeed fire him. I believe him. JJAW >>>> DK Reagor >>>> Jefferson Two picks that even TATErs could make, blindfolded and Howie ish the bed on. How many games difference would those have made this season? Enough is enough
January 11, 20214 yr Just now, Outlaw said: Duce will get a courtesy interview. Kafka? No way. If they want an explosive, innovative offense from a guy who can make QB’s look good...it’s Daboll. I also wouldn’t hate Lincoln Riley. Just watch and see. You’re getting a lemon and they will try and tell you it’s who they wanted along.
January 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, vaeagle2 said: you should have said biden and xi jinping 2 idiots like howie and lurie but in this case everyone believes that Howie has something on Laurie like Putin has on trump.
January 11, 20214 yr My biggest takeaways: Thinks Howie and the staff are great, they can rebuild to greatness. They're shifting from short-term "keep the band together" to long term. Defended their draft history by citing veteran players not allowing younger guys playing time, or trading picks for players. Dared reporter to compare to other teams. Cited past division titles, NFCCG appearances (which most happened under Reid). He’s not involved in QB decision and shouldn't be, but noted both are talented assets and one can be used as an asset once a decision is made. Open to hiring defensive coach, as long as OC builds an elite offense. Duce Staley will be a candidate for the HC job, and "top of my mind" is looking at minority candidates. No rush to hire a new HC, thinks it's odd that the NFL rushes. Take time to find the right person.
