3 hours ago, Karma_is_a_guy said:

Even if the strategy is to trade for a pick down the road, you invested a 2nd round pick. What exactly is Howie expecting in return? So it wasn't done for future draft capital.

I think if you pick a QB in the second round, you are expecting him to become your starter at some point. The only way this pick makes sense is if you believe there is a substantial probability that you are expecting to trade *Wentz* down the road. Then this pick makes some sense. Maybe.

The only way is if Howie gets a first round pick for Hurts someday. Or several if you trade Wentz. No other way this makes sense. Especially when you compare it to the other need positions yet to be filled. 

3 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

i can't say what other gm's or coaches have on their boards, but maybe they thought he'd continue sliding and available when we saw the run on quarterbacks happening later in the draft.  burrow was a given take.  tua was expected, love was a shocker.

but i bet howie started to look at the stats of the quarterbacks taken and saw that between tua, burrow, and hurts...  there wasn't much of a discrepancy and hurts was somehow slipping.

like i said, we often joke about howie sleeping at the wheel, but for once...  he may have been the only one awake.  he knew an actual qb needy team may wake up and see that hurts was actually available.  so he called wentz and told him if hurts continue to fall, he could be an option at 53.

howie knows the bees nest he would potentially be stirring with the media, especially with the pick at 53.  but the value was too high.  it's the most important spot on the field, and a guy that could've and should've probably gone (based on his stats, character, and measurables)...  was falling to the end of the second round.

again, compare hurts' college career to tua's and love's.  there's NO WAY he should've fallen that far.  eagles should not have been able to touch hurts.  but there he was in their lap.  as you said, he's not injured or injury prone...  and he has great character.  he was grilled when he was benched for tua...  but was the ultimate professional about it.

after sleeping on the shock, i'm amazed no other gm or head coach saw it before howie.

Appreciate the input.

I actually apologized for asking the question and then deleted the post after I saw all the grief you were getting.

This situation is a great example of how we on the outside haven't a clue as to the thought processes in this thing. All us wannabe GMs have our own vision of the team's wants & needs but no real insight as to what they really are or how to achieve them. As long as our defensive needs are addressed to some degree down the road I'm OK with taking the best player available, regardless of need . . . provided the pick really is the best player available at that time.

They are trying to get a lot more creative and innovative on offense.  They dont have an OC but brought in 12 different offensive coaches.  They got a gadget backup QB who can also be a RB.  Ward is a former QB.  They got 3 speed receivers in this draft.  Is Doug about to go Chip Kelly and try to "take the NFL by storm?"

Question... And I'm stealing this a little... How good is Hurts deep ball?

This pick made absolutely no sense to me and for my part, disrupted everything else going forward.

1 minute ago, PoconoDon said:

This pick made absolutely no sense to me and for my part, disrupted everything else going forward.

I think we might see some of what Buddy did with Jaws and Randall. They might be trying to reduce Wentz's playing time on the field to keep him healthy. I don't agree with it. But, I think that might be the plan. Plus, they probably want to use him like Hill. I don't like that. I'd rather attack the defense with our best players and use a trick play maybe once a game, if needed.

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I think we might see some of what Buddy did with Jaws and Randall. They might be trying to reduce Wentz's playing time on the field to keep him healthy. I don't agree with it. But, I think that might be the plan. Plus, they probably want to use him like Hill. I don't like that. I'd rather attack the defense with our best players and use a trick play maybe once a game, if needed.

You might be right. We'll know why he's here soon enough. They won't be able to hide his developmental track.

I don't get the pick, but the kid looks like a great prospect and it won't hurt to have a solid backup for a few years without needing another 1 year contract each year. I don't think it hurt "everything else going forward" as several suggested though. I like the overall group on the whole and I really like the low risk trade for Goodwin to increase the competition at the WR position, which has a ton of speed to vie for the depth at the position.

Also, while I don't think this makes the pick "a good pick", I do think it's a fair point when others have noted that had he been on the roster last year, they'd have beaten Seattle... a reliable, young backup is not a bad thing for this team.

18 minutes ago, thepaintedman said:

Also, while I don't think this makes the pick "a good pick", I do think it's a fair point when others have noted that had he been on the roster last year, they'd have beaten Seattle... a reliable, young backup is not a bad thing for this team.

There's absolutely no way to say that though. Hurts needs developing so to suggest he could of stepped in to that play off game and helped us win is incredibly naive.

1 hour ago, JayEcho said:

compare hurts' college career to tua's and love's.  there's NO WAY he should've fallen that far.  eagles should not have been able to touch hurts.  but there he was in their lap.  as you said, he's not injured or injury prone...  and he has great character.  he was grilled when he was benched for tua...  but was the ultimate professional about it.

after sleeping on the shock, i'm amazed no other gm or head coach saw it before howie.

Let me start by saying I watched a lot of Hurts in college, and love the kid as a player.          You can't compare him in any way with Tua, who is as pure as they come and will be a huge star if he stays healthy.          I never saw Love play so I won't comment on him.   

Hurts is a great teammate and leader, but the guy I would compare him to is Tebow.       Both were winners, leaders, and quality people.        Hurts has much better tools, but is still a major project with regard to ever being a consistent NFL QB.         I would have loved the pick in the 4th, and could have lived with it in the 3rd, but at #53 with all the needs this team has, it was ... bizarre to say the least. 

I believe Pederson will look to utilize him as the Saints do Taysom Hill, but Hill was what, a 6th rounder?         How many gadget plays are going to be a big part of the offense?          I don't buy into the stuff about Wentz being in trouble here, but it will certainly open up that can of worms simply because of how high the pick was.

My biggest problem with this draft is that Roseman is working it as if the Eagles are a Super Bowl contender - how else to explain taking a QB at #53, which is the epitome of a luxury pick?          He has now added several late round WR's, but this team desperately needs a WR1, and I'm not sure Reagor is that guy.          If Roseman isn't on the hot seat now, a slow start and an 8-8 finish should put his job in jeopardy, but I wouldn't bet on it.

2 hours ago, JayEcho said:

i can't say what other gm's or coaches have on their boards, but maybe they thought he'd continue sliding and available when we saw the run on quarterbacks happening later in the draft.  burrow was a given take.  tua was expected, love was a shocker.

but i bet howie started to look at the stats of the quarterbacks taken and saw that between tua, burrow, and hurts...  there wasn't much of a discrepancy and hurts was somehow slipping.

like i said, we often joke about howie sleeping at the wheel, but for once...  he may have been the only one awake.  he knew an actual qb needy team may wake up and see that hurts was actually available.  so he called wentz and told him if hurts continues to fall, he could be an option at 53.

howie knows the bees nest he would potentially be stirring with the media, especially with the pick at 53.  but the value was too high.  it's the most important spot on the field, and a guy that could've and should've probably gone (based on his stats, character, and measurables)...  was falling to the end of the second round.

again, compare hurts' college career to tua's and love's.  there's NO WAY he should've fallen that far.  eagles should not have been able to touch hurts.  but there he was in their lap.  as you said, he's not injured or injury prone...  and he has great character.  he was grilled when he was benched for tua...  but was the ultimate professional about it.

after sleeping on the shock, i'm amazed no other gm or head coach saw it before howie.

If you look solely at stats, it looks like Hurts could have gone higher. If you look at his playing style, you’d think he went too high. He just doesn’t have an NFL ready game right now.

I will give the kid a chance but I would have liked if they went with CB or LB in the 2nd round instead. I just totally do not understand drafting a possible project QB so high where another solid starting caliber player could have been had that is a need

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1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

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A staple? Jesus really? 

He's an RPO machine from watching his highlights. Think Nick Foles potential but with the option to actually run 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A staple? Jesus really? 

I wrote this is in the OG Eagles Board:

 

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Nah.  There is another way this makes sense.

 

The NFL is moving to a 17 game season, maybe 18 after that.  There is a breaking point where you can't play anybody every snap and this might be it.  At that breaking point QB rotations become a thing.  Think of it like when MLB moved to 162 games, creating a need for off day catchers and 5th starters.  And it's not just the wear and tear, how many plays can you run before you become predictable?

 

So in comes the future of the 17-18 game season: the two offense offense.  The Saints with Brees/Hill invented it and Dougie P and the Eagles are the first early adopters.  Hurts is here to run an entire change of pace of drive a game, maybe two if the matchup is right.  He runs the Jackson offense from Baltimore, more or less.  He also does some trick plays, 4th downs and two point conversions (because the eagles go for it almost every time).  It adds up to about 12-15 snaps a game which is 1/5 of your offense = 5th starter.

 

All of that is added to the value of having two Qb's who can play the entire game for extended periods if one goes down.

 

Oh I get it, I really get it.  But I still think Howie and the eagles outsmarted themselves.  Until proven otherwise, if you are as ahead of the curve as they think they are, then that means you can get the role player at a discounted price.  Like when the Seahawks and Broncos were getting long, slow Cb's in the 5th rd.  Hurts has no business as a 2nd rd pick if that is his role.  The Taysom Hill role is still a 3rd -5th rd skill set.

 

 

3 hours ago, mjkvol said:

Let me start by saying I watched a lot of Hurts in college, and love the kid as a player.          You can't compare him in any way with Tua, who is as pure as they come and will be a huge star if he stays healthy.          I never saw Love play so I won't comment on him.   

Hurts is a great teammate and leader, but the guy I would compare him to is Tebow.       Both were winners, leaders, and quality people.        Hurts has much better tools, but is still a major project with regard to ever being a consistent NFL QB.         I would have loved the pick in the 4th, and could have lived with it in the 3rd, but at #53 with all the needs this team has, it was ... bizarre to say the least. 

I believe Pederson will look to utilize him as the Saints do Taysom Hill, but Hill was what, a 6th rounder?         How many gadget plays are going to be a big part of the offense?          I don't buy into the stuff about Wentz being in trouble here, but it will certainly open up that can of worms simply because of how high the pick was.

My biggest problem with this draft is that Roseman is working it as if the Eagles are a Super Bowl contender - how else to explain taking a QB at #53, which is the epitome of a luxury pick?          He has now added several late round WR's, but this team desperately needs a WR1, and I'm not sure Reagor is that guy.          If Roseman isn't on the hot seat now, a slow start and an 8-8 finish should put his job in jeopardy, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Yup.  Taysom Hill threw SIX  passes in the regular season last year. SIX, even with Brees missing some months.  The Saints just drafted his replacement, a guy from Memphis in the 7th round.  I can buy absolutely everything about the logic of having a a 2 QB offense and still think it is absurd to put a 2nd rd value on that role.

5 hours ago, McNabbIsDone said:

As long as our defensive needs are addressed to some degree down the road I'm OK with taking the best player available

And they appear to have done that taking a LB pick 3, a Safety pick 4, another LB in the 6th round and a DT in the 7th.

Whether they all make the team and contribute is another story . . . but then this thing is always a 'crap-shoot' no matter what.  

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

There's absolutely no way to say that though. Hurts needs developing so to suggest he could of stepped in to that play off game and helped us win is incredibly naive.

A. *could HAVE stepped in

B. I absolutely can and did say that.

Eagles trying to reinvent the wheel again running a nonsense 2 QB system smh

Want to a run a system similar to the Saints with Taysom Hill right? That’s the plan right? Because that takes the saints to the SB every year right? The wildcat is just so freaking unstoppable 

 

I don't think Hurts is exclusively here for the "adding creativity to the offense" angle. I think that's one reason at least for the short-term.

This pick most likely pertains to Wentz's injury history and perhaps a bit of buyers remorse after signing him to a big deal?

Before you dismiss that notion, let's not forget Howie guaranteed Alshon Jeffrey's contract before his current injury and locker room woes came to light and was rumored to be on the trading block not too long after the contract became guaranteed.

The wild card concussion that knocked Wentz out of the game could have very well been the tipping point for Howie and Coach Pederson, where they decided the odds of needing to utilize the buyout option in Wentz's contract in two years might be more of a reality than once thought?

7 hours ago, mjkvol said:

Let me start by saying I watched a lot of Hurts in college, and love the kid as a player.          You can't compare him in any way with Tua, who is as pure as they come and will be a huge star if he stays healthy.          I never saw Love play so I won't comment on him.   

Hurts is a great teammate and leader, but the guy I would compare him to is Tebow.       Both were winners, leaders, and quality people.        Hurts has much better tools, but is still a major project with regard to ever being a consistent NFL QB.         I would have loved the pick in the 4th, and could have lived with it in the 3rd, but at #53 with all the needs this team has, it was ... bizarre to say the least. 

I believe Pederson will look to utilize him as the Saints do Taysom Hill, but Hill was what, a 6th rounder?         How many gadget plays are going to be a big part of the offense?          I don't buy into the stuff about Wentz being in trouble here, but it will certainly open up that can of worms simply because of how high the pick was.

My biggest problem with this draft is that Roseman is working it as if the Eagles are a Super Bowl contender - how else to explain taking a QB at #53, which is the epitome of a luxury pick?          He has now added several late round WR's, but this team desperately needs a WR1, and I'm not sure Reagor is that guy.          If Roseman isn't on the hot seat now, a slow start and an 8-8 finish should put his job in jeopardy, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I agree with this completely. 

Taking a QB in the 2nd to be a Backup/Gadget Player is asinine.  Hurts may be the nicest guy ever, and, as has been said, taking him later would have been fine.  But this was an inexcusable waste of a valuable asset.  We could have had Mims there.  Or Epenesa.  Or Wilson.

Fundamental Football is better than Gadget Football.