3 minutes ago, McNabbIsDone said:

What is it with some of youse guys and the use of bolded or italic characters ?

I use it / them simply to make it easier to differentiate between the two of us.

Don't understand why it's even an issue.

I don't have an issue with it. It's mentioned to clarify what I'm responding to. When you quote a person, and put a reply in the same quote box, and then someone tries to reply back to you, nothing shows up other than an empty box.

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm thinking here(usually dangerous) we can do what the Pats did with Garapolo.Another option COULD BE,the jags wanted him as a BU to Minshew.Now, if we had a CLOSE deal for Yak(Ngakowe) this is a carrot we can hold out on front of them.Suddenly Howie is a genius lol

What makes the Garopolo comp different is that he is a traditional QB, and came into the league having NFL ready tools.          That, and the Pats were a Super Bowl contender filling one of their few needs, which is what I was talking about in saying that Roseman treated this draft like the Eagles are a contender instead of a mid-level team with some glaring holes.

If the Ngakowe deal was a thing, wouldn't it have already been done at this point if the Jags had interest in Hurts?

Pats did not draft Jimmy to use as trade bait though. They really expected him to be the replacement for Tom. Belicheat was pretty pissed over trading him. 

We have to fact the facts that he was drafted to just be a very good cheap backup for the time being. I dont see no master plan to use him as trade bait, esp this year, lol 

13 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

What makes the Garopolo comp different is that he is a traditional QB, and came into the league having NFL ready tools.          That, and the Pats were a Super Bowl contender filling one of their few needs, which is what I was talking about in saying that Roseman treated this draft like the Eagles are a contender instead of a mid-level team with some glaring holes.

If the Ngakowe deal was a thing, wouldn't it have already been done at this point if the Jags had interest in Hurts?

I would also add to the Garoppolo thing by mentioning he was taken when Brady was 36 years old. Father time can strike at any minute at that age, so it made sense from a progression standpoint.

One other thought about the Hurts pick is the nagging feeling that this 2nd rounder might have been used to get Deandre Hopkins.       How different would this draft had looked if Hopkins was already here as the WR1.

The 1st rounder could have been used by taking the highest impact defensive player available instead of reaching for a WR.          How would this draft look if the Eagles had Murray or Queen and Hopkins instead of Reagor and Hurts.          The rest of the draft would be gravy.

This is what separates Roseman from the great GM's and organizations.       He's great at the little fringe moves (turning one late pick into 3 or 4) and value signings and trades, but when it comes to really moving the needle, his drafts virtually always leave much to be desired.        And drafting is what separates the men from the boys.       

Look at how the Ravens and Niners, both playoff teams picking near the bottom of the draft, managed this draft to see how it is done.         Hell, look at Dallas - everybody here can make fun of Jones' yacht and whatever else, but that group knows how to draft difference making players, and seems to do it every year.

As long as Lurie remains tethered to Roseman, I'm afraid this is what we're going to see.       Much like Reid proved over and over, this is what Roseman is, and it isn't suddenly going to change or improve.         He's a valuable guy to have in a front office, but is in way over his head as a GM.

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I would also add to the Garoppolo thing by mentioning he was taken when Brady was 36 years old. Father time can strike at any minute at that age, so it made sense from a progression standpoint.

 

16 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Pats did not draft Jimmy to use as trade bait though. They really expected him to be the replacement for Tom.

Exactly.        At that time, the idea that Brady would play until he could collect Social Security wasn't a thing.

Just now, mjkvol said:

One other thought about the Hurts pick is the nagging feeling that this 2nd rounder might have been used to get Deandre Hopkins.

We don;t know what the Texans wanted for Hopkins from the Eagles. Our 2nd was later then the Cards and they also gave up Johnson who is a good Hb when healthy. Im sure the texans wanted a lot more then just the 2nd. 

Im willing to ride out the year and see how the draft works out before Im calling for Rosemans head. He took a ton of risks here. I think he knows he put it all on the line and will determine if he is the GM next year or back to being a cap guy. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

We don;t know what the Texans wanted for Hopkins from the Eagles. Our 2nd was later then the Cards and they also gave up Johnson who is a good Hb when healthy. Im sure the texans wanted a lot more then just the 2nd. 

Im willing to ride out the year and see how the draft works out before Im calling for Rosemans head. He took a ton of risks here. I think he knows he put it all on the line and will determine if he is the GM next year or back to being a cap guy. 

I'm way beyond calling for Roseman's head.      I've never liked or believed in him as a GM. and felt that 2017 was a bolt of lightning more than an example of his 'genius' like the national media would have you believe.        I give him full credit, but look at it as an anomaly - other than that off season one could make the argument (and I have) that his work is mediocre at best.         

I don't believe he is under any pressure here barring an implosion, which his style is brilliant at avoiding.         The Eagles will always be at least 'pretty good' with him controlling the personnel, and I Lurie appears to see him the same as Reid, who was here for a generation.

Everyone comparing this to Rodgers or Brady forget that Wentz is 27 years old. This was the stupidest pick ever. You want a back up? Sign Flacco.

The Eagles traditionally have paid a lot of the salary cap to the backup QB. If things go well, we'll pay the backup 1.5M a year for the next 4 years. That's a good savings that we can use other places. And Wentz does have an injury history. I don't think the brass are expecting another 2017, but it's pretty likely that Wentz will miss a stretch of games every couple years. Hurts means we have a chance of winning some of those.

10 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Everyone comparing this to Rodgers or Brady forget that Wentz is 27 years old. This was the stupidest pick ever. You want a back up? Sign Flacco.

We already tried that. McCown. Wasnt good enough. Someone young with some tools to go with it has more upside. Hes got a nice arm and can run the ball. 

I think its a solid insurance policy. I remember everyone freaked out when we drafted foles.

1 minute ago, EagleMatt said:

We already tried that. McCown. Wasnt good enough. Someone young with some tools to go with it has more upside. Hes got a nice arm and can run the ball. 

I think its a solid insurance policy. I remember everyone freaked out when we drafted foles.

He can't drop back and throw in the pocket. He looks at one read then runs. I'm a Bama fan. He is not NFL ready so we are still going to need a back up.

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

He can't drop back and throw in the pocket. He looks at one read then runs. I'm a Bama fan. He is not NFL ready so we are still going to need a back up.

Ya he reminds me a bit of a poor mans Vick. But you never know, man. 

Howie wants a QB factory. I'd rather have a winning factory.

9 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Ya he reminds me a bit of a poor mans Vick. But you never know, man. 

Also I mean you don't draft back ups in the 2nd round. You draft someone that can start and contribute. Flacco would have been perfect as our backup QB. Cheap, SB experience and not a waste of a pick that could have gone to another nice offensive weapon. Mims there would have been awesome.

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Also I mean you don't draft back ups in the 2nd round. You draft someone that can start and contribute. Flacco would have been perfect as our backup QB. Cheap, SB experience and not a waste of a pick that could have gone to another nice offensive weapon. Mims there would have been awesome.

Ting ting ting ting. 100% agreed. It was a reach, it made no sense and regardless of the player it was a poor move in terms of strategy.

7 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Howie wants a QB factory. I'd rather have a winning factory.

Dream Team.

Gold Standard.

Will "QB Factory" be another one of a long line of labeling gaffes by this team?

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Dream Team.

Gold Standard.

Will "QB Factory" be another one of a long line of labeling gaffes by this team?

I had Howies back for a long time. But 2017 is starting to look like a lucky year for him and not the norm. I still think he is good at trades and contracts but he needs to be locked out of the draft room. 

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Ting ting ting ting. 100% agreed. It was a reach, it made no sense and regardless of the player it was a poor move in terms of strategy.

People are obsessed with backup QB's now because of the Foles run. It's never going to happen again! And even if it did, it's much more likely with Flacco than a College unfinished project. I watched him in college. Alot. I don't think he is even the back up this year.

7 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

People are obsessed with backup QB's now because of the Foles run. It's never going to happen again! And even if it did, it's much more likely with Flacco than a College unfinished project. I watched him in college. Alot. I don't think he is even the back up this year.

Well that, and the fact that wentz hasnt exactly been durable.

 

Anytime he gets hit im worried if hes broken. 

My first reaction to the pick was shock. My second reaction was Howie and Doug are complete idiots. Now that I've had a day or so to think about it, I've come around a bit. It's a good pick for several reasons:
- Hurts is at the top of the Eagles draft board at the pick, otherwise he's not their selection.
- He's a weapon. They could use him in Wildcat. They could design plays like the Saints use Taysom Hill. He's not here to take the job away from Wentz, but he can supplement him.
- Let's be honest: How often is Wentz going to stay completely healthy in a season? They need a good backup QB.
- In a couple of years who's worth more?  A low 2nd-round defender? Or a starting-caliber QB?

I'm not saying I totally agree with the value on the board here (Still some good players that can make an immediate impact are there. Perhaps Hurts is still there in the next round. If not, he's not a guy they really needed anyway...) But I'm starting to get what they're trying to do. But Howie and Doug just made their jobs really difficult. They have to make Hurts valuable while playing (paying) Wentz, keeping them both happy, while everyone in Philly is watching every move. Not easy to do.

23 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

He can't drop back and throw in the pocket. He looks at one read then runs. I'm a Bama fan. He is not NFL ready so we are still going to need a back up.

They got Sudfeld as backup this year. Then it's Hurts's job to lose.

2 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Well that, and the fact that wentz hasnt exactly been durable.

 

Anytime he gets hit im worried if hes broken. 

Last year he was fine. He only got knocked out because of a cheap shot aimed directly at his head. I'm not holding that against him.

53 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

I'm way beyond calling for Roseman's head.      I've never liked or believed in him as a GM. and felt that 2017 was a bolt of lightning more than an example of his 'genius' like the national media would have you believe.        I give him full credit, but look at it as an anomaly - other than that off season one could make the argument (and I have) that his work is mediocre at best.         

I don't believe he is under any pressure here barring an implosion, which his style is brilliant at avoiding.         The Eagles will always be at least 'pretty good' with him controlling the personnel, and I Lurie appears to see him the same as Reid, who was here for a generation.

The second line just shows the whole thing is confirmation bias. Didnt need the rest

3 minutes ago, toolg said:

They got Sudfeld as backup this year. Then it's Hurts's job to lose.

Then we don't have a quality back up. Maybe instead of wasting that pick on a long term project we have no use for perhaps a Joe Flacco.