1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If the team are concerned Carson will miss time then sign an experienced back up to fill in for those few games. If they are that concerned they shouldn't have given him that big contract knowing they need a quality back up. 

This is a long term kind of move not a right now move.

Just now, Uscg-green said:

Plus the stud Hurts is

His game doesnt translate well to the NFL.

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

I'm more so playing devils advocate. I wanted Mims. But trying to logically justify the pick. All I can come up with is the Wentz injuries are an extreme concern for the FO. So much so they invested a 2nd rounder on a QB. 

Then they shouldn't have given him that big contract. That's on Howie and another reason he should be fired then. Hurts wasn't even BPA so not only was it a flawed logic but it was a reach. 

23 hours ago, mjkvol said:

Let me start by saying I watched a lot of Hurts in college, and love the kid as a player.          You can't compare him in any way with Tua, who is as pure as they come and will be a huge star if he stays healthy.          I never saw Love play so I won't comment on him.   

Hurts is a great teammate and leader, but the guy I would compare him to is Tebow.       Both were winners, leaders, and quality people.        Hurts has much better tools, but is still a major project with regard to ever being a consistent NFL QB.         I would have loved the pick in the 4th, and could have lived with it in the 3rd, but at #53 with all the needs this team has, it was ... bizarre to say the least. 

I believe Pederson will look to utilize him as the Saints do Taysom Hill, but Hill was what, a 6th rounder?         How many gadget plays are going to be a big part of the offense?          I don't buy into the stuff about Wentz being in trouble here, but it will certainly open up that can of worms simply because of how high the pick was.

My biggest problem with this draft is that Roseman is working it as if the Eagles are a Super Bowl contender - how else to explain taking a QB at #53, which is the epitome of a luxury pick?          He has now added several late round WR's, but this team desperately needs a WR1, and I'm not sure Reagor is that guy.          If Roseman isn't on the hot seat now, a slow start and an 8-8 finish should put his job in jeopardy, but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

Jeffrey is our WR1  next year, Desean is our WR2.  That's how the cards slotted. We could move on from both of these guys after next year though (depending on whether there is a season and what the players + league agree on)

1 minute ago, judunno said:

This is a long term kind of move not a right now move.

Wentz is the long term move not Hurts. Hurts won't be here when we need to find Wentz replacement. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz is the long term move not Hurts. Hurts won't be here when we need to find Wentz replacement. 

Thank you!

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

We got top production out of Foles. A player who's bang average over the course of his NFL career. McCown looked like a decent enough option. Flacco is on the market. Siemian is on the market. 

There's absolutely no guarantee Hurts will even be ready to play next year. No guarantee at all no matter how good you believe he is. 

Foles was a one time thing. You will NEVER find another backup that will go like this. Hell, I don't even think Foles himself could do that another time.

McCown got his shot, gave it his very best - and serves now as a good example why we need Hurts. Just because you pay a washed out QB 10 Million a year (and that's where this will soon be) doesn't mean they can save your season when the time comes. We invested so many picks on Wentz, adding a second rounder that you will likely become back not only as insurance, but to be used in your offense is just so much better for the team.

3 minutes ago, HowiesBroman said:

 

Jeffrey is our WR1  next year, Desean is our WR2.  That's how the cards slotted. We could move on from both of these guys after next year though (depending on whether there is a season and what the players + league agree on)

Alshon won't be available until October/November best case. 

2 minutes ago, Infam said:

Foles was a one time thing. You will NEVER find another backup that will go like this. Hell, I don't even think Foles himself could do that another time.

McCown got his shot, gave it his very best - and serves now as a good example why we need Hurts. Just because you pay a washed out QB 10 Million a year (and that's where this will soon be) doesn't matter they can save your season when the time comes. We invested so many picks on Wentz, adding a second rounder that you will likely become back not only as insurance, but to be used in your offense is just so much better for the team.

 

3 hours ago, mjkvol said:

What makes the Garopolo comp different is that he is a traditional QB, and came into the league having NFL ready tools.          That, and the Pats were a Super Bowl contender filling one of their few needs, which is what I was talking about in saying that Roseman treated this draft like the Eagles are a contender instead of a mid-level team with some glaring holes.

If the Ngakowe deal was a thing, wouldn't it have already been done at this point if the Jags had interest in Hurts?

Maybe not,now we have some leverage.Howie gets what he wants or he doesnt do it.he makes ONE offer usually take it or leave it.This could change and put some pressure on Jax.Once again I will say this may NOT be the reason we drafted him.Gotta wonder also if a Pats trade comes into play.hard to see them starting with Stidham at QB

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz is the long term move not Hurts. Hurts won't be here when we need to find Wentz replacement. 

Long term as in until his 1st contract is up. Yes. Hurts will be here if it's time to cut ties with Wentz if it turns out he can't stay on the field. I don't think they are worried at all about Wentz's ability to be a franchise QB. It's more so about his body holding up throughout this contract.

Just now, judunno said:

Long term as in until his 1st contract is up. Yes. Hurts will be here if it's time to cut ties with Wentz if it turns out he can't stay on the field. I don't think they are worried at all about Wentz's ability to be a franchise QB. It's more so about his body holding up throughout this contract.

You cant waste Second round draft picks on what ifs.

When the Eagles took Kolb in the 2nd, McNabb was entering his age 30/31 season, still in his effective prime QB age, and his season had been cut short or significantly affected in 3 of the previous 5 years. Wentz has finished each of the past 3 seasons on the sideline. Honestly we should have seen this coming. 

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

You cant waste Second round draft picks on what ifs.

Not much waste. The value doesn't just go away. QBs have good resale value 🙂

4 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

You cant waste Second round draft picks on what ifs.

Only planning for sunshine and nobody gets hurt doesn't sound smart.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Not much waste. The value doesn't just go away. QBs have good resale value 🙂

When you compare it to the people who were left on the board that will most likely be starting this year and contributing to the success of their team then yes it was. You want a project, that is what rounds 4-7 are for.

7 minutes ago, Infam said:

Only planning for sunshine and nobody gets hurt doesn't sound smart.

Happy path only. No disaster contingencies. Everything will work out just fine. It's perfect. Just like the call was perfect.

1 minute ago, Infam said:

Only planning for sunshine and nobody gets hurt doesn't sound smart.

Blowing a second round pick on a clipboard holder for the next 4 years doesn't sound smart.

Just now, judunno said:

Happy path only. No disaster contingencies. Everything will work out just find. It's perfect. Just like the call was perfect.

That is so very… republican nowadays. 😂

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

When you compare it to the people who were left on the board that will most likely be starting this year and contributing to the success of their team then yes it was. You want a project, that is what rounds 4-7 are for.

Every 2nd rounder doesn't start for one. We've invested in some talent for the offense in addition to hedging on our oft injured QB for the foreseeable future. If you're relying on every 2nd rounder to be a huge contributor in year one then you're team is already in trouble.

4 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Blowing a second round pick on a clipboard holder for the next 4 years doesn't sound smart.

You'll have to see how it plays out to see if it was smart or not.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Every 2nd rounder doesn't start for one

No but alot do and that should be what you are looking for in Round 2. Not a bench warmer.

32 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Please don't quote me inaccurately. Thank you.

Sorry.  I thought You stated the eagles gave wentz an F you for drafting A qb

edit:  I see what i did. My mistake.  Ill fix it

Just now, Uscg-green said:

No but alot do and that should be what you are looking for in Round 2. Not a bench warmer.

Given that this isn't the first QB ever drafted in round 2 I think it's not so outside of the norm.

1 minute ago, SNOORDA said:

Sorry.  I thought You stated the eagles gave wentz an F you for drafting A qb

Yes. you added to it in my quote making it look like I said more.

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

Yes. you added to it in my quote making it look like I said more.

I noticed.  Didn't do that on purpose.  My apologies