2 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

you do agree that Reagor's QB was junior High School quality, right?

I guess. I still think we should have made a move. I really wanted Jeudy, Ruggs or Lamb. Reagor seems like the runner up prize.

39 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

The other theory being floated is that he is a possible replacement to our 27 year old 100 million dollar QB.

That's beyond idiotic.

1 minute ago, mjkvol said:

That's beyond idiotic.

Thank you!

Just now, Uscg-green said:

I guess. I still think we should have made a move. I really wanted Jeudy, Ruggs or Lamb. Reagor seems like the runner up prize.

Reagor was a consolation prize in a way, but a good one. Forget his combine time and look at game film. His highest top speed was greater than every NFL player in 2019 including Tyreek Hill. Reagor is freaking fast and he can actually catch pretty well. He could end up being all the Eagles need and more at the Z position.

2 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Reagor is freaking fast and he can actually catch pretty well

I thought one of the concerns was drop issues

Just now, Uscg-green said:

I thought one of the concerns was drop issues

He's not Devin Duvernay when it comes to hands, but much of his problem was that terrible QB throwing him the ball. If you routinely have to adjust to a poorly thrown ball, it's expected that some will be counted catchable and dropped.

In 2018 he dropped 6 of 137 targeted passes and in 2019 it was 9 of 92....a big jump in a bad direction but it wasn't all him. Give him a real NFL QB to get his timing down with and I think he'll be an impact player. 

We're gonna find out.

This brief interview is pretty telling. Howie is comparing Hurts' situation to Russell Wilson even without admitting it due to "tampering charges". If Howie feels that Hurts upside is similar to Wilson, then this isn't just about drafting a backup QB.  You don't draft a backup QB in Round 2, especially if you feel his ceiling is Russell Wilson. So, they have doubts about Wentz's durability and they are open to possibly replace him down the road with Hurts.   I'm still really concerned about what this is going to do in the locker room and to Wentz's desire to still be here. The fans will always be an issue, but the locker room is more significant.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001111807/Roseman-How-2012-draft-influenced-Eagles-Jalen-Hurts-pick

9 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

This brief interview is pretty telling. Howie is comparing Hurts' situation to Russell Wilson even without admitting it due to "tampering charges". If Howie feels that Hurts upside is similar to Wilson, then this isn't just about drafting a backup QB.  You don't draft a backup QB in Round 2, especially if you feel his ceiling is Russell Wilson. So, they have doubts about Wentz's durability and they are open to possibly replace him down the road with Hurts.   I'm still really concerned about what this is going to do in the locker room and to Wentz's desire to still be here. The fans will always be an issue, but the locker room is more significant.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001111807/Roseman-How-2012-draft-influenced-Eagles-Jalen-Hurts-pick

Sounding like this could be very good, which I doubt, or this could get very ugly.

6 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

This brief interview is pretty telling. Howie is comparing Hurts' situation to Russell Wilson even without admitting it due to "tampering charges". If Howie feels that Hurts upside is similar to Wilson, then this isn't just about drafting a backup QB.  You don't draft a backup QB in Round 2, especially if you feel his ceiling is Russell Wilson. So, they have doubts about Wentz's durability and they are open to possibly replace him down the road with Hurts.   I'm still really concerned about what this is going to do in the locker room and to Wentz's desire to still be here. The fans will always be an issue, but the locker room is more significant.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001111807/Roseman-How-2012-draft-influenced-Eagles-Jalen-Hurts-pick

IMO you hit the nail on the head about Howie’s possible logic, I don’t buy for one second that Hurts is a future trade chip, gadget player or future backup (unless he doesn’t turn out like we planned).

As far as what this will do to the locker room, the locker room is about to be full of new faces anyway. Peters and Jenkins are gone. Who are our leaders? Graham? Johnson? It won’t be Slay especially under these COVID circumstances. It won’t be McCleod. And we also don’t know how Wentz is respected in the locker room, heck we may never know. But we do know that Wentz had to work on some relationships with players, and it sucks that Wentz had to go through all that even after his MVP type season in 17’ but it’s just how it is. 
 

I could be wrong, have been before and it dang sure won’t be the last but I don’t see Hurts as a "offensive piece” for this team. 

13 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

This brief interview is pretty telling. Howie is comparing Hurts' situation to Russell Wilson even without admitting it due to "tampering charges". If Howie feels that Hurts upside is similar to Wilson, then this isn't just about drafting a backup QB.  You don't draft a backup QB in Round 2, especially if you feel his ceiling is Russell Wilson. So, they have doubts about Wentz's durability and they are open to possibly replace him down the road with Hurts.   I'm still really concerned about what this is going to do in the locker room and to Wentz's desire to still be here. The fans will always be an issue, but the locker room is more significant.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001111807/Roseman-How-2012-draft-influenced-Eagles-Jalen-Hurts-pick

I took it to mean that if you value a player, sometimes you have to take him a round early to get him. It makes sense, especially if you can't trade up to where you're sure you will get him. I think it happens every year. Howie's reference to 2012, while definitely about Wilson, was used to illustrate where he learned the above...don't wait to get a guy you really want.

Did anyone see Howie holding the cue cards?

7 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

I took it to mean that if you value a player, sometimes you have to take him a round early to get him. It makes sense, especially if you can't trade up to where you're sure you will get him. I think it happens every year. Howie's reference to 2012, while definitely about Wilson, was used to illustrate where he learned the above...don't wait to get a guy you really want.

But were they "not waiting to get the guy they really want", or was Hurts the plan all along?         I refuse to believe that he just happened to be BPA at #53, and well, that's just how the board fell.          This whole "value" thing is such a bunch of personnel guru gobbledy-**** to me - either a player fits what you're looking for or he doesn't.          I hear this "well, he was good value at that spot" crap every year, and I think "that's great, but is he a player who will help the damned team win games"?        I don't want good "value", I just want good football players.

Sorry for taking that rant out on you, Pocono.

What if they fear an Andrew Luck situation if Carson keeps getting hurt. What if he would hang it up after a few more injuries? He just got married and had a kid. Maybe after a few more bad injuries he would possibly retire young. 

I've been baffled like many of you other fans about the selection of Jalen Hurts. 

My only sane rationale after so much thought is the Andrew Luck situation. As we all know, he retired young after experiencing injury after injury. Do the Eagles feel like Carson could do the same?

He recently just got married and had a kid. Would he hang it up early if he keeps having injuries?

Stupid reason. Andrew luck isn't a common thing. You can't draft thinking like that.

I don't know anything about this guy, but I've always kind of liked the idea of having a couple of QB's that play each game, but the scenarios have to be creative. I remember when we had McNabb and Vick at the same time. There was a lot of potential if you put those guys on the field at the same time. We didn't use them right and it didn't take long for the opposing defense to figure out that if Vick was on the field he was just going to run it up the gut. But imagine if there was more creativity involved? The right coach/playcaller/scheme could have worked wonders with that scenario.

Stupid or not, every front office has to be worried about players retiring young. I bring it up because Wentz had 2 season ending injuries recently and who knows what the future has in store if he has another major injury. He is human, and there might be a limit on what he puts his family through. I'm not saying this is it or the 1 reason they did it, just saying it could've been a small factor.

35 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

But were they "not waiting to get the guy they really want", or was Hurts the plan all along?         I refuse to believe that he just happened to be BPA at #53, and well, that's just how the board fell.          This whole "value" thing is such a bunch of personnel guru gobbledy-**** to me - either a player fits what you're looking for or he doesn't.          I hear this "well, he was good value at that spot" crap every year, and I think "that's great, but is he a player who will help the damned team win games"?        I don't want good "value", I just want good football players.

Sorry for taking that rant out on you, Pocono.

np with the rant mj. You know I don't take EMB stuff personally. To me, only good players have value. The rest really don't. 

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that whoever they wanted in the 2nd was gone, so they looked at their late 2nd-3rd round graded guys at other positions, and in a little bit of a panic, said F it, let's take the highest one now so we're not looking at an empty list again at the end of the third. They were in a bad position in every round and the Slay trade made sure they'd stay there. 

As an aside, when I hear people ask why didn't the Eagles trade up for Cee Dee Lamb, I say because of Sidney Jones. That bust forced the Slay trade which robbed the ammo needed for Lamb. Every early miss carries a price down the line. Always been that way.

2 hours ago, mjkvol said:

That's beyond idiotic.

He's still peddling that garbage. No one has said he should replace Wentz smh.

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

He's still peddling that garbage. No one has said he should replace Wentz smh.

Didn't say you all said should. You all just think their is a real chance they are thinking of replacing Wentz in the next few years. Which isn't going to happen. He is going to be here the next decade. And I for one am thrilled 

2 hours ago, mjkvol said:

That's beyond idiotic.

Meanwhile the head coach is comparing the kid to Lamar Jackson and the situation to Jackson and Flacco, but think what you wish. By the way what ever happened with that whole Flacco/Jackson thing? Oh is this a bad time to bring up the buyout option the Eagles have on Carson’s contract?

3 hours ago, mjkvol said:

I don't believe that a trade is even a thought in this.        The Eagles are looking at this as what they perceive as getting ahead of the league with regard to the evolving offensive schemes, and they see Hurts as another offensive weapon.        That's the theory I'm sticking with until proven otherwise.

I'm sure we will use him a little bit,until an offer comes along.If Wentz is struggling I could see him in a play or 2 to give him time to "settle down" and get his head together(Wentz)

9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Meanwhile the head coach is comparing the kid to Lamar Jackson and the situation to Jackson and Flacco, but think what you wish. By the way what ever happened with that whole Flacco/Jackson thing? Oh is this a bad time to bring up the buyout option the Eagles have on Carson’s contract?

Replacing Wentz with Hurts would be beyond idiotic.

10 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Didn't say you all said should. You all just think their is a real chance they are thinking of replacing Wentz in the next few years. Which isn't going to happen. He is going to be here the next decade. And I for one am thrilled 

The only people wishing for Wentz's demise are those that can't let go of Foles. Even they wouldn't want Hurts replacing him lol. Best case scenario is what you are pitching here. Next decade of highly productive Wentz with minimal injury. However, there are worse case scenarios that could happen for Wentz hence Hurts.

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Replacing Wentz with Hurts would be beyond idiotic.

If Hurts is the next Lamar Jackson and Wentz is the next Luck then it isn’t.