1 hour ago, CaliEagle said:

This brief interview is pretty telling. Howie is comparing Hurts' situation to Russell Wilson even without admitting it due to "tampering charges". If Howie feels that Hurts upside is similar to Wilson, then this isn't just about drafting a backup QB.  You don't draft a backup QB in Round 2, especially if you feel his ceiling is Russell Wilson. So, they have doubts about Wentz's durability and they are open to possibly replace him down the road with Hurts.   I'm still really concerned about what this is going to do in the locker room and to Wentz's desire to still be here. The fans will always be an issue, but the locker room is more significant.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001111807/Roseman-How-2012-draft-influenced-Eagles-Jalen-Hurts-pick

The coach compared him to Lamar Jackson. They both compared this kid to two league MVPs. So if the Eagles have that kind of talent sitting on the bench and they have a higher paid starter with more value, but durability issues in front of him who is the one likely to be moved? The high paid starter is the expendable one. 

11 minutes ago, judunno said:

The only people wishing for Wentz's demise are those that can't let go of Foles. Even they wouldn't want Hurts replacing him lol. Best case scenario is what you are pitching here. Next decade of highly productive Wentz with minimal injury. However, there are worse case scenarios that could happen for Wentz hence Hurts.

Wake up. This has nothing to do with Foles and everything to do with the Eagles. I don’t see a lot of people wishing for Carson’s demise either. You tell me what other quarterback in his prime had their team draft another quarterback early and it didn’t cause a controversy or that players eventual replacement?

8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Wake up. This has nothing to do with Foles and everything to do with the Eagles. I don’t see a lot of people wishing for Carson’s demise either. You tell me what other quarterback in his prime had their team draft another quarterback early and it didn’t cause a controversy or that players eventual replacement?

Tom Brady...more than once.

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Wake up. This has nothing to do with Foles and everything to do with the Eagles. I don’t see a lot of people wishing for Carson’s demise either. You tell me what other quarterback in his prime had their team draft another quarterback early and it didn’t cause a controversy or that players eventual replacement?

Yeah it truly makes no sense. 

 

You can try to sell me some stupid Taysom Hill" plays but Hurts and Hill are TWO different players. Hurts Is a quarterback not some hybrid qb/rb/receiver......not only that but Hill helps Brees out because Brees is a 40 year old quarterback. Your objective is to keep your best player on the field so why in the hell would I take the ball out of Wentz's hand when he's the best player on the team?

 

Drafting Hurts was stupid. From every way.

It was stupid if you think he's Taysom Hill.

It was stupid if you think he will replace Carson Wentz

It was stupid if you think he was worth your 2nd rounder.

It was stupid if you want to develop him and trade him away eventually.

 

There is no way you can sell this move to anyone with a brain. 

 

Unless....you really think Wentz's body won't hold up....but even then.....his body shouldn't be breaking down this soon.

Just now, PoconoDon said:

Tom Brady...more than once.

Okay. Is Carson Wentz Tom Brady? In reality there was only one guy that truly was the guy drafted to replace Brady and that was Jimmy G.

3 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Tom Brady...more than once.

 

Tom Brady's job was never in jeopardy. And trading Jimmy G was stupid. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Okay. Is Carson Wentz Tom Brady? In reality there was only one guy that truly was the guy drafted to replace Brady and that was Jimmy G.

I'm not even sure if he was drafted to replace Brady. They drafted him far too early in his career. Brady might've been mid 30's when they did that. 

24 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If Hurts is the next Lamar Jackson and Wentz is the next Luck then it isn’t. 

That's not going to happen. And how about we see Lamar for another year before he is crowned the second coming. Teams will be prepared for him now 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Okay. Is Carson Wentz Tom Brady? In reality there was only one guy that truly was the guy drafted to replace Brady and that was Jimmy G.

 

1 minute ago, RICWOOFLAIR said:

 

Tom Brady's job was never in jeopardy. And trading Jimmy G was stupid. 

The question was to name one QB that fit the criteria. I did.

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.

1 minute ago, RICWOOFLAIR said:

Yeah it truly makes no sense. 

 

You can try to sell me some stupid Taysom Hill" plays but Hurts and Hill are TWO different players. Hurts Is a quarterback not some hybrid qb/rb/receiver......not only that but Hill helps Brees out because Brees is a 40 year old quarterback. Your objective is to keep your best player on the field so why in the hell would I take the ball out of Wentz's hand when he's the best player on the team?

 

Drafting Hurts was stupid. From every way.

It was stupid if you think he's Taysom Hill.

It was stupid if you think he will replace Carson Wentz

It was stupid if you think he was worth your 2nd rounder.

It was stupid if you want to develop him and trade him away eventually.

 

There is no way you can sell this move to anyone with a brain. 

 

Unless....you really think Wentz's body won't hold up....but even then.....his body shouldn't be breaking down this soon.

First off get out of your feelings cause I’m not the one who drafted the kid. Secondly I agree the Eagles shouldn’t have made this pick, but they did. Listening to THEM and THIER WORDS it’s obvious they’re not flipping this kid for some pick. Sorry if I’m making you cry in your bowl of Wentz flakes, but there’s no way they’re giving up a guy they think is an MVP candidate. Here’s the truth. If Wentz doesn’t go down again then he likely has nothing to worry about, but if he does and this kid plays like Russell Wilson then Carson is gone. 

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

That's not going to happen. And how about we see Lamar for another year before he is crowned the second coming. Teams will be prepared for him now 

Well what exactly is Carson doing that so irreplaceable himself? Is it the injuries, the 8-9 win seasons in a horrible division, or the one round playoff exit that has you hooked? Also why is that the Eagles picked the kid if they’re so hooked on Carson?

4 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

 

The question was to name one QB that fit the criteria. I did.

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.

You really didn’t answer the question actually as Jimmy G was drafted in Brady’s 30s. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well what exactly is Carson doing that so irreplaceable himself? Is it the injuries, the 8-9 win seasons in a horrible division, or the one round playoff exit that has you hooked? Also why is that the Eagles picked the kid if they’re so hooked on Carson?

You really didn’t answer the question actually as Jimmy G was drafted in Brady’s 30s. 

He was still in his prime. Not my fault his prime lasted over 15 years.

7 minutes ago, RICWOOFLAIR said:

I'm not even sure if he was drafted to replace Brady. They drafted him far too early in his career. Brady might've been mid 30's when they did that. 

I think Belicheat really wanted to keep Jimmy G. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well what exactly is Carson doing that so irreplaceable himself? Is it the injuries, the 8-9 win seasons in a horrible division, or the one round playoff exit that has you hooked? Also why is that the Eagles picked the kid if they’re so hooked on Carson?

Ah you are a Wentz hater. Makes sense now. I dunno. We don't have a super bowl without him uh he won us a division last year with practically no help. He is our franchise for the next decade. I suggest you get over it. Let me guess. You want Foles back also?

Just now, PoconoDon said:

He was still in his prime. Not my fault his prime lasted over 15 years.

Brady in his 30s is certainly more an exception than the rule and you know it. Arron Rodgers can outlast that kid they just drafted so does that mean he’s in his prime too. You’re stretching this more than a bunch and you know. In any case Carson ain’t no Brady. 

46 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Meanwhile the head coach is comparing the kid to Lamar Jackson and the situation to Jackson and Flacco, but think what you wish. By the way what ever happened with that whole Flacco/Jackson thing? Oh is this a bad time to bring up the buyout option the Eagles have on Carson’s contract?

Please don't talk to me like I'm some kind of Wentz fanboy.          I'll just say this - if they signed Wentz to that kind of deal and went right out an drafted a kid to ostensibly replace him sooner than later, ala Jackson and Flacco, this organization is way beyond f***ked, and deserves to crater in the next few years.         

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

Ah you are a Wentz hater. Makes sense now. I dunno. We don't have a super bowl without him uh he won us a division last year with practically no help. He is our franchise for the next decade. I suggest you get over it. Let me guess. You want Foles back also?

Single minded apologist. First sign of any kind of threat to their deities they get incredibly butthurt. You brought up Foles son, but Carson didn’t win a playoff game. You don’t get a participation medal for not finishing the race son. I asked a few questions and you cried in your Carson flakes. Here’s the truth. I don’t care who wins the Eagles a super bowl as long as they win it. I don’t care if it’s Carson, Hurts, or Sudfeld as long as the job is done. You want to be mad at someone then look and Howie and Doug, cause they made the pick and not me. I’m just trying to make sense out of it. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Brady in his 30s is certainly more an exception than the rule and you know it. Arron Rodgers can outlast that kid they just drafted so does that mean he’s in his prime too. You’re stretching this more than a bunch and you know. In any case Carson ain’t no Brady. 

Can you and be honest with each other for a moment?

You asked a very specific question with criteria to be met. I answered with the only correct answer there was which met the criteria. 

Let's move on. Only all-or-nothing thinking would conclude that my answer nullifies your point. Don't fall into that trap.

Your position in the discussion doesn't require that level of defense.

3 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

Please don't talk to me like I'm some kind of Wentz fanboy.          I'll just say this - if they signed Wentz to that kind of deal and went right out an drafted a kid to ostensibly replace him sooner than later, ala Jackson and Flacco, this organization is way beyond f***ked, and deserves to crater in the next few years.         

Bro they have been doing crap like this for a while now. Drafting Dillard and you keep hearing stories of them dangling him out there in trades. Signing Jeffery to a guaranteed contract and then trying to trade him right afterwards. Signing Wentz to a contract and then drafting a kid in the 2nd round. When you really think about it is that beyond something they might do as of late?

42 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm sure we will use him a little bit,until an offer comes along.If Wentz is struggling I could see him in a play or 2 to give him time to "settle down" and get his head together(Wentz)

C'mon now, this is the kind of stuff that might go on in Pop Warner, but not in the NF f***king L.          You don't give your franchise QB you just signed to a massive contract a couple games off to "settle down and get his head together".          You either have a franchise QB or you don't.           What, is Wentz now Trubisky II ? 

You guys have been on here longer than me, but is this just TATE being TATE? 

Just now, PoconoDon said:

Can you and be honest with each other for a moment?

You asked a very specific question with criteria to be met. I answered with the only correct answer there was which met the criteria. 

Let's move on. Only all-or-nothing thinking would conclude that my answer nullifies your point. Don't fall into that trap.

Your position in the discussion doesn't require that level of defense.

A player in his 30s hardly qualifies as in his prime and that move made far more sense then what the Eagles did and you know it!

2 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

C'mon now, this is the kind of stuff that might go on in Pop Warner, but not in the NF f***king L.          You don't give your franchise QB you just signed to a massive contract a couple games off to "settle down and get his head together".          You either have a franchise QB or you don't.           What, is Wentz now Trubisky II ? 

You guys have been on here longer than me, but is this just TATE being TATE? 

Then why did we select a QB, for 2 plays a game?

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Bro they have been doing crap like this for a while now. Drafting Dillard and you keep hearing stories of them dangling him out there in trades. Signing Jeffery to a guaranteed contract and then trying to trade him right afterwards. Signing Wentz to a contract and then drafting a kid in the 2nd round. When you really think about it is that beyond something they might do as of late?

Is this all documented stuff or just silly season bullschiit to generate clicks and idiotic threads on forums?        If they traded Dillard and Jeffrey, different story.       Why are some of you searching for conspiracies where there likely aren't any?

8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Single minded apologist. First sign of any kind of threat to their deities they get incredibly butthurt. You brought up Foles son, but Carson didn’t win a playoff game. You don’t get a participation medal for not finishing the race son. I asked a few questions and you cried in your Carson flakes. Here’s the truth. I don’t care who wins the Eagles a super bowl as long as they win it. I don’t care if it’s Carson, Hurts, or Sudfeld as long as the job is done. You want to be mad at someone then look and Howie and Doug, cause they made the pick and not me. I’m just trying to make sense out of it. 

First of all I am not your son. (Thank God for small miracles). Secondly scooter, are you going to sit there with a straight face and say getting the number one seed with a home field advantage and bye doesn't count towards us getting a title? Did you see the way he played last year with almost no help? What has he done to earn your dislike? The MVP like year? Over achieving last year? Good God we have a top 10 franchise QB which btw don't grow on trees and that's not enough for you. You are going to be one of those morons that scream for Hurts at the first interception. YOUR kind is what turns drafting hurts into a QB controversy.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

A player in his 30s hardly qualifies as in his prime and that move made far more sense then what the Eagles did and you know it!

Wrong. His level of performance, not his age, determines if he is in his prime or not as a player.