May 6, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, FastFreddie said: Free press. People talking about the Eagles because they drafted the consensus fourth best QB in a so-so QB class. Plus, entertainment value for us. Imagine if Howie took like an offensive lineman or some crap there. BORING. Jalen Hurts? NOT BORING. I wouldn't go as far to say he's the consensus fourth best RB in the draft. To some he was, to others he wasn't.
May 6, 20205 yr Still hate the pick, but will say that if Wentz does have another major injury in the next couple years, it could end up paying off. I like Hurts the person, seems like a good dude.
May 6, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I wouldn't go as far to say he's the consensus fourth best RB in the draft. To some he was, to others he wasn't. What you did there... I see it.
May 6, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, NOTW said: Apparently Deion Sanders said on the broadcast during the draft, why can't there be competition at other positions but when it's the QB people complain it will affect the player's ego? Just a thought. They had Ertz and drafted Goedert for example. No one saw it as a threat to Ertz, they saw it as adding more talent. I didn't agree with the pick, I wanted other players in that round. But I'm trying to grasp their logic about having quality at the QB position and insurance. Usually, teams get a backup free agent and pay them a lot more than you'd have to pay a rookie. The move also allows you to develop a guy who could potentially take over if Carson gets injured again or in 3-4 years he takes over as starter. Not saying I agree with their decision but trying to see where they're coming from. It's the position. You can have a formation with two TE's, two QB's don't make sense. Look at the Dillard pick, same situation. You can only have one left tackle.
May 6, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: What you did there... I see it. QB, RB, WR seems they are going to move him all over to get him out there right...
May 6, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: QB, RB, WR seems they are going to move him all over to get him out there right... Yeah, but not TE. Only Taysom Hill is awesome enough for that. 🙄
May 6, 20205 yr 21 hours ago, MR-CYN said: You're all over the place here. No need for the pedantic histrionics. It's pretty simple. The Eagles will add talent at the QB position until they're satisfied it's been addressed sufficiently. If Hurts doesn't work out they'll continue to add more. Brevity is difficult when presented with so many ambiguous non sequiturs. Nothing is simple in the game or business of football. Resource allocation is integral to the sustained success of an NFL team. The usage of high value assets on mutually exclusive positions, when already so heavily invested in that position, is insufficient personnel management considering the constraints of the NFL salary structure.
May 6, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, graysferry said: Brevity is difficult when presented with so many ambiguous non sequiturs. Nothing is simple in the game or business of football. Resource allocation is integral to the sustained success of an NFL team. The usage of high value assets on mutually exclusive positions, when already so heavily invested in that position, is insufficient personnel management considering the constraints of the NFL salary structure. Nah, you're just being irrational. Try to enjoy the ride or find another hobby because it doesn't sound like you're having any fun. It must suck to be this miserable over something you can't control. It can't be healthy for you. You must be a blast at parties though. 🤡
May 6, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, MR-CYN said: Nah, you're just being irrational. Try to enjoy the ride or find another hobby because it doesn't sound like you're having any fun. It must suck to be this miserable over something you can't control. It can't be healthy for you. You must be a blast at parties though. 🤡 I didn't realize it was irrational to hold people accountable. Maybe take your own advice and enjoy the Wentz ride instead of longing for career backups like Nick Foles and hoping for Hurts two years from now. But life must be really easy and boring when you blindly accept what you're told. You probably have fun at parties, though, I just doubt anyone remembers you were there.
May 6, 20205 yr 20 hours ago, FastFreddie said: You can hate the pick all you want. It's a sunk cost now. Turn those lemons into lemonade. And I get the whole "if you have two quarterbacks, you have none" deal. Hell, as you said there were actually people who legitimately wanted to keep Foles over Wentz after 2018... but it was a problem incurred because THE TEAM WON A MOTHER FING SUPER BOWL. But ultimately, it's a good problem to have if Hurts seems to be really freaking good, especially if he's better than Wentz in a couple of years. Because he's six years younger and would be a lot cheaper for the last year or two of his rookie deal. Then again, it's clear I simply don't think Wentz is ever going to be as good as he flashed in 2017 again. I think his surgically-repaired knee took his mobility down just enough where it can be as much of a liability as an asset, making him more of a very good but not great QB. His clock hasn't adjusted. Makes sense that less bullish on Wentz equals more bullish on the decision to draft Hurts. 4 hours ago, nipples said: Still hate the pick, but will say that if Wentz does have another major injury in the next couple years, it could end up paying off. I like Hurts the person, seems like a good dude. Like it or not we have had 6 playoff games over the past 3 years and Wentz has managed to play 5 minutes of those 6 games. Personally I’m optimistic that it is just bad luck, but the Eagles obviously feel there is a risk that he could continue to get hurt on a regular basis and understandably they want a franchise QB who can stay on the field. Hurts is insurance.
May 6, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Perforator said: It's the position. You can have a formation with two TE's, two QB's don't make sense. Look at the Dillard pick, same situation. You can only have one left tackle. The biggest mistake fans make is thinking their team should draft to fill needs. They shouldn't. The biggest mistake a team can make is to actually draft to fill needs. They shouldn't. I'm not saying that need is never a factor. But the draft is about acquiring talent first and foremost. You don't peak at your needs before you look at your board - you peak at your needs after. I think most are familiar with the term Best Player Available but I think few actually understand it. You always (ALWAYS) draft best player available. One note - BPA is relative - a 3-4 OLB that can't play 43 DE can be BPA for a team running a 34 but is of little use to a team running a 43 - and vice versa. Also, at any point in the draft there is rarely 1 single BPA - almost always there is anywhere from a few to dozens of players that grade out virtually the same. That's when you start looking at needs. You don't know what your needs will be a year or 3 down the road so you never pass on superior talent to take a lesser talent at a position of need. My best example is Brandon Graham - for the record that's the player I wanted the Eagles to get in 2010 and not because he was the BPA - I was wrong. The reason I wanted the Eagles to get BG is (I think) the same reason they traded up for him - they needed a DE - they needed a DE that season - JPP was raw and might have a higher ceiling but would take a couple years to develop. BG it was believed was the DE most ready to play from day one. BG had a so-so rookie season before being injured in week 14 (yes I looked it up) and placed on IR. He started 2011 on the PUP list. In the 2011 off season the Eagles signed DE Jason Babin who ended up in the pro-bowl - turns out DE wasn't such a need after all but the Eagles sure could have used a Safety. 2010 2nd round pick Nate Allen was a disappointment - Earl Thomas was on the board when the Eagles took BG and many thought that's who they traded up for. At the time safety wasn't as big a need but ET was the superior talent. You have to trust your scouting - if they don't do their job you won't draft well at all and if you don't draft well you have very little chance at success. As I said on draft day - while scratching my head like everyone else - Doug wasn't throwing stuff and having a fire Howie tantrum. He wasn't glum about having to take a "highly rated QB" because they couldn't trade the pick. He was giddy - he was jubilant - they didn't trade up but there was clearly discussion about what they would do if ...
May 6, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, graysferry said: I didn't realize it was irrational to hold people accountable. Maybe take your own advice and enjoy the Wentz ride instead of longing for career backups like Nick Foles and hoping for Hurts two years from now. But life must be really easy and boring when you blindly accept what you're told. You probably have fun at parties, though, I just doubt anyone remembers you were there.
May 10, 20205 yr On 4/24/2020 at 8:58 PM, LacesOut said: Lord have mercy. I'm surprised you didn't get banned.
May 10, 20205 yr On 5/5/2020 at 2:08 PM, ilikepargo said: It would actually be better for the Eagles if Hurts doesn't work out. Then it would just be a stupidly wasted 2nd round pick. If Hurts does work out, then you have a problem with the stability of the team. At the QB position it is better to have clarity of role. The starter is the starter. The backup is the backup. I'll tell you what, if Wentz gets injured and Hurts plays well for 4+ games, you'll have a new starter. You see, concerning the Wentz/Dak debate, as far as i'm concerned it's a push until you look running ability, Dak is a better runner, he has the instincts when to run and better vision when he does so. Wentz seems to be late taking off and he looks like a klutz when doing so. Now Hurts, he'll hurt you on the ground and as far as passing it's probably a push between the two. Wentz had better stay healthy and if he goes down he should hope that Sudfeld is inserted which won't be good for him either, I've always thought he was a far more accurate passer than Wentz.
May 11, 20205 yr On 5/6/2020 at 6:35 AM, FastFreddie said: Yeah, but not TE. Only Taysom Hill is awesome enough for that. 🙄 Yeah but Jordan Mailata can play offense, defense and special teams!
May 11, 20205 yr Quote Philadelphia Eagles: Will agitated fans wind up adoring Jalen Hurts? Eagles fanatics were nonplussed with the team's decision to burn a second-round pick on a backup quarterback. Philly's ill mood was hatched in Round 1, when tantalizing pass catcher CeeDee Lamb fell to rival Dallas as Jerry Jones chuckled the night away from his party yacht. The Eagles grabbed a first-round wideout of their own in Jalen Reagor, but threw draft-heads for a loop with Hurts at pick No. 53. The question is fair: Why take a quarterback when the mission at hand was to find weapons for Carson Wentz? I can't help but wonder, though, if Eagles fans might start to fall for the dual-threat passer if and when coach Doug Pederson decides to sprinkle Hurts into the offense. Doses of gadget wizardry don't justify a second-round pick, but finding a QB2 with upside should mean more to Eagles fans than just about any people group on terra firma. Beyond the immediate outrage, Hurts has the skills to change minds -- and moods. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001112706/article/nfc-burning-questions-cardinals-comeup-packers-set-at-wr
May 11, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, Infam said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001112706/article/nfc-burning-questions-cardinals-comeup-packers-set-at-wr Saw it when Mornhinweg had Vick, Kolb, and McNabb. It didn’t work then and I doubt it’s gonna work now.
May 12, 20205 yr 10 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: This was more shocking than us drafting Kevin Kolb. That worked out well. I’d still rather have had Eric Weddle. I’m still pissed about this 13 years later. Kolb got us Kendricks who was a starting LB in super bowl so I guess it’s ok but Still.
May 12, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: This was more shocking than us drafting Kevin Kolb. That worked out well. Kolb was never the same after he got his bell rung by Clayroid.
May 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: He was an overpaid clipboard holder before then. So I would say he was the same.
May 12, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Oh wait. You liked Kolb? Please say yes. I wanna pick on someone else for something else than the Howie fluffers.
May 14, 20205 yr On 5/5/2020 at 2:08 PM, ilikepargo said: It would actually be better for the Eagles if Hurts doesn't work out. It would only be better for amateur prognosticators like yourself b/c then you can blather on like this: Then it would just be a stupidly wasted 2nd round pick. If Hurts does work out, then you have a problem with the stability of the team. You simply don't 'Get It'. Reality . . . what a concept. At the QB position it is better to have clarity of role. The starter is the starter. The backup is the backup. And the fan is the fan, not the GM. Thank Christ for that: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jalen-hurts-to-wear-no-2-for-eagles/ar-BB143PgB?ocid=spartanntp
May 14, 20205 yr On 5/5/2020 at 3:18 PM, ilikepargo said: I don't want Hurts to fail. I don't. But I'm still pissed about the pick. It was stupid. Get over it. The move was made to protect the team if / when Wentz goes down. End of story.
May 14, 20205 yr On 5/12/2020 at 12:11 PM, 4for4EaglesNest said: He was an overpaid clipboard holder before then. So I would say he was the same. Kevin Kolb was king choke. Whenever the pressure was on he would fold. When had a chance to take the job from McNabb during the Ravens game he completely folded. Then he stated back to back games like the next year and became the first quarterback to ever throw for over 300 yards in consecutive games in his first two starts. Then he choked away his chance again. They gave him the job over Vick and then he got hurt, but he kind of choked there too. He got hurt cause he wouldn't let go of the football. The guy was a highly injury prone and a major choke.
Create an account or sign in to comment