On 7/1/2020 at 4:46 PM, DevilMayRage said:

I don't need idiotic rhetoric thrown at me in an attempt to justify it or "understand" the FO narrative.

Yeah, some like this pick and but I tend to think they give to much credit to the unconventional approaches of Howie.

This will be an "I told you so" very soon.

What quantifies an "I told you so”?

— Hurts doesn’t play at all and is only a ‘bench warmer’ as you put it?

— Hurts is pressed into action because of an injury to Wentz and performs badly?

— Hurts’ package of plays that Pederson mentioned is mostly 1&2-yard runs which kill drives?

Just wondering what your main objection is to the pick and what your alternative was

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Because Howie is a terrible GM and Lurie enables him because he can control him.  

I have believed this was a calculated gamble by Howie there would be no college season this year and if Hurts shows enough, some team will be suckered into giving up at least a first rounder if not a lot more for Hurts.  Howie may have just won the first part of that gamble as the Big 10 and Pac-12 are expected on Tuesday to announce NO college football in the fall of 2020. 

I really don’t see us getting a first rounder, much less a boatload for Hurts. If Hurts only gives us a handful of good athletic plays, no one is giving up a boatload for that alone. It ain’t happening. A year lost for many or all college QBs would suck for them, but a team doesn’t invest in a QB only for their rookie season. It’s a hopeful 10-15 year commitment. One lost season doesn’t change that IMO. 
 

On the other hand, if Hurts is making a huge positive contribution, it’s likely going to be because Wentz got hurt again, and even as much as I love Wentz, him getting hurt again combined with another QB playing well would create a dynamic we can’t ignore. It would likely be too cost prohibitive to trade Wentz and foolish to trade Hurts at that point. 

6 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

On the other hand, if Hurts is making a huge positive contribution, it’s likely going to be because Wentz got hurt again, and even as much as I love Wentz, him getting hurt again combined with another QB playing well would create a dynamic we can’t ignore. It would likely be too cost prohibitive to trade Wentz and foolish to trade Hurts at that point. 

That's a really good point actually. The focus was on the positives of this pick and how it could work out long term. Like us trading Hurts for a boat load or having a long term alternative to Wentz if he continues to get hurt. But actually we could end up in a situation where Wentz is untradeable due to his injury history but he's still costing us a huge amount. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's a really good point actually. The focus was on the positives of this pick and how it could work out long term. Like us trading Hurts for a boat load or having a long term alternative to Wentz if he continues to get hurt. But actually we could end up in a situation where Wentz is untradeable due to his injury history but he's still costing us a huge amount. 

Yup. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's a really good point actually. The focus was on the positives of this pick and how it could work out long term. Like us trading Hurts for a boat load or having a long term alternative to Wentz if he continues to get hurt. But actually we could end up in a situation where Wentz is untradeable due to his injury history but he's still costing us a huge amount. 

I think they have an out in his contract in 2021 or 2022 with a team option I believe. 

According to former NFL agent Joel Corry, who writes about NFL contracts for CBS Sports, that $30 million is spread out over five years for salary cap purposes but is paid to Wentz entirely in 2020

not sure what this does if they pick up that option and decide to do something with him after

Hurts is the next Steve Young. We will get a few more SBs with Carson(aka Montana), lets say 7 more SBs. Then trade Carson for (4) first round picks at age 34 and bring in Hurts and win 4 more SBs. 

39 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Hurts is the next Steve Young. We will get a few more SBs with Carson(aka Montana), lets say 7 more SBs. Then trade Carson for (4) first round picks at age 34 and bring in Hurts and win 4 more SBs. 

I get disappointed when someone says a player is the next Steve Young because they never are and he was one of my fav QBs of all time lol

9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's a really good point actually. The focus was on the positives of this pick and how it could work out long term. Like us trading Hurts for a boat load or having a long term alternative to Wentz if he continues to get hurt. But actually we could end up in a situation where Wentz is untradeable due to his injury history but he's still costing us a huge amount. 

As I understood it, the Eagles have an out after 2021 with Wentz and I think at that time he would be very tradeable with his remaining contract.

On 6/30/2020 at 12:50 PM, DevilMayRage said:

The Hurts pick remains as idiotoc now as the day it occurred. They just freaking signed Wentz to his deal.....why do that then waste resources like a 2nd round pick on a bench warmer? Granted Eagles 2nd rd picks seem to blow regardless but this Hurts pick took the obscene nature of it to another level 

I wonder if Howie & Co. thought about having having Sudfeld or McCown as the #2 QB in 2017 and decided they needed a better option. I didn't agree with using a second rounder on a backup either but I can understand the thinking.

On 6/30/2020 at 1:43 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Professional sports will find a way though. I know what you mean but there's a greater chance the NFL season happens and not the college season in my opinion. 

Fox Sports is saying the MLB is considering some sort of bubble. If baseball can construct a suitably sized bubble I think the NFL could as well.

12 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's a really good point actually. The focus was on the positives of this pick and how it could work out long term. Like us trading Hurts for a boat load or having a long term alternative to Wentz if he continues to get hurt. But actually we could end up in a situation where Wentz is untradeable due to his injury history but he's still costing us a huge amount. 

The Hurts pick didn't cause that potential untradeable situation, signing Wentz to the contract with his injury history did that which was before the Hurts pick.  

4 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Fox Sports is saying the MLB is considering some sort of bubble. If baseball can construct a suitably sized bubble I think the NFL could as well.

The MLB can do that easier than the NFL though surely? 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The MLB can do that easier than the NFL though surely? 

I'm not sure. Baseball fields are not small and a bubble would have to be pretty tall in both cases.  Punts and kickoffs can go pretty high but so so pop flies and home runs.

10 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I'm not sure. Baseball fields are not small and a bubble would have to be pretty tall in both cases.  Punts and kickoffs can go pretty high but so so pop flies and home runs.

Was that a serious answer?? Cause that's not what being in a bubble means

6 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

As I understood it, the Eagles have an out after 2021 with Wentz and I think at that time he would be very tradeable with his remaining contract.

According to Spotrac, Wentz’s dead cap number is $24.5M in 2022, $15.6M in 2023, and $6M in 2024.

8 hours ago, eglz1 said:

I'm not sure. Baseball fields are not small and a bubble would have to be pretty tall in both cases.  Punts and kickoffs can go pretty high but so so pop flies and home runs.

I feel you may have misunderstood what a bubble in this sense seems. 

13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I feel you may have misunderstood what a bubble in this sense seems. 

Quite possibly. I'm thinking physical bubble. I question the efficacy of any other kind.

31 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Quite possibly. I'm thinking physical bubble. I question the efficacy of any other kind.

Well it's just not very realistic or probable...

There is no way the NFL could play in a bubble. Disney World and the NBA were a perfect marriage for a experiment like a bubble, but there is no place on earth the would be able to house over a 100 people per team, have the fields prepared and ready, plus dining and other amenities needed for the players and keeping it all contained.

Their only shot is to make sure the players are completely isolated, which means strict curfews when traveling, making sure that all hotels that they stay in are clean and completely bought out by the team, avoid all public gatherings and testing everyone, everyday and if anyone gets sick, regardless of who they are, it is an automatic 2 week quarantine away from the team.

I really dont see how they are going to play this year.

On 8/11/2020 at 12:53 PM, eglz1 said:

I wonder if Howie & Co. thought about having having Sudfeld or McCown as the #2 QB in 2017 and decided they needed a better option. I didn't agree with using a second rounder on a backup either but I can understand the thinking.

I like what I've seen from Sudfeld, Hurts wan't needed.

On 8/12/2020 at 3:16 PM, eglz1 said:

Quite possibly. I'm thinking physical bubble. I question the efficacy of any other kind.

15 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hurts, as a rookie would of done a lot better job than McClown did last year

Also people saying that Doug has had a package waiting for someone like Hurts

Also heard that Dallas wanted Hurts bad and this was a middle finger + someone we could us. 

We don't know that Hurts would have done a better job than McCown, especially in a play off game. 

A middle finger to Dallas? I don't think you should draft to screw over a rival. 

I still haven't gotten over this pick, but I'm trying to. Who knows, maybe (I don't want anything bad to happen to Wentz) this pick pays off in a big way we weren't really expecting. Time will tell. I still think going QB at that stage of the draft was a bad call all the way. We'll see.

I don't see them letting go of Jalen. Think they give Wentz 2 years to see if he pans out. If not they'll move on with Jalen.