August 19, 20205 yr Some in the media are talking about the Eagles org being "blown away" by Hurts. They are saying it's not just his physical skills, but how smart he is and how fast he is picking up the playbook. From what they are starting to say, I see him becoming the 2nd string QB pretty quickly over Suds- maybe way faster than people expected.
August 19, 20205 yr On 8/18/2020 at 1:51 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said: A middle finger to Dallas? I don't think you should draft to screw over a rival. People say Dallas did that to us by taking Lamb which is nonsense ... he was easily the best player available when Dallas was on the clock (I'm sure they never gave a thought to him dropping that far to them).
August 19, 20205 yr 45 minutes ago, time2rock said: People say Dallas did that to us by taking Lamb which is nonsense ... he was easily the best player available when Dallas was on the clock (I'm sure they never gave a thought to him dropping that far to them). Agreed. And the Howie should have traded up crowd, you can not make a team trade with you.
August 20, 20205 yr 18 hours ago, XoqTionR said: I don't see them letting go of Jalen. Think they give Wentz 2 years to see if he pans out. If not they'll move on with Jalen. If Wentz hasn't "panned out" after 6 years in the QB Factory, why would we expect Hurts to?
August 20, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, downundermike said: Agreed. And the Howie should have traded up crowd, you can not make a team trade with you. Watch the tables finally turn and Reagor turns into a solid WR while Lamb becomes the next Kevin White.
August 20, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, time2rock said: Watch the tables finally turn and Reagor turns into a solid WR while Lamb becomes the next Kevin White. I could go for that.
August 20, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, time2rock said: People say Dallas did that to us by taking Lamb which is nonsense ... he was easily the best player available when Dallas was on the clock (I'm sure they never gave a thought to him dropping that far to them). Yeah and the key there is he was the best player available. Hurts was not.
August 20, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Yeah and the key there is he was the best player available. Hurts was not. I would like to offer you a different theory here... As we all know the Eagles will be in cap hell next offseason and need to build through the draft. What if Hurts shows them enough this season and they’d be comfortable moving forward with him as the starter?! Not only could they move CW for a boatload of picks, they’d also save a ton of money through the next couple of years by dealing him. It might not be the popular opinion but from a financial perspective it should be something to keep in mind. What would you do if you’d be the GM? Would you trade your franchise QB for 3 first rounders fully confident you won’t miss a beat with your backup QB playing on his rookie for the next 3 years?! Taking Hurts in the 2nd round might be viewed as a brilliant move in a couple of years for all we know...
August 20, 20205 yr The media is hyping Hurts, some fans are trying to hype Hurts... "Oh, he did this and that in PRACTICE and he should be the #2 QB, and maybe is even better than Wentz". They ignore the fact the guy has NEVER PLAYED 1 NFL regular season snap yet. How many training camp darlings have we seen fall flat on their faces in a real game? Cut the BS, those who are giving this guy promotions without him earning anything yet. Let him prove himself and drop the hype. If he is all that good, he will get promoted, and rightfully so. But if he sucks, you are all a bunch of hype idiots for not letting him prove himself, as it should be. I hope he becomes great, but SHOW me.
August 21, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, Ray75 said: As we all know the Eagles will be in cap hell next offseason and need to build through the draft. What if Hurts shows them enough this season and they’d be comfortable moving forward with him as the starter?! Not only could they move CW for a boatload of picks, they’d also save a ton of money through the next couple of years by dealing him. I mean I suppose that's on the table? But I just don't see that happening. CW is the future of this franchise, Hurts can't show enough this season unless Carson gets hurt again. And if Carson gets hurt again and ends up on IR then we aren't getting a boat load for him.
August 21, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I mean I suppose that's on the table? But I just don't see that happening. CW is the future of this franchise, Hurts can't show enough this season unless Carson gets hurt again. And if Carson gets hurt again and ends up on IR then we aren't getting a boat load for him. What I was trying to say is that you don’t spend a 2nd round pick on a QB if you believe he’ll be a career backup. Right?! Either he becomes your next franchise QB or a trade chip down the line... (see Kevin Kolb). Yes, CW is our franchise QB and I’m rooting hard for him to succeed and not get injured. Let’s assume he doesn’t, leads them to the play-offs (preferably a deep run) but on the other hand Hurts does so well that both the coaching staff and FO believe he could be the next Dak Prescott. Pop quiz, hotshot! What are you going to do?! Whether you trade Hurts (only gonna give us a draft pick or two) or Wentz (draft picks and cap room), it’s a massive win for Howie either way. Another ace up his sleeve... What if another team offers a Kings ransom for Wentz? Do you entertain the offer confident enough you have another QB waiting in the wings who could lead the team?
August 21, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Ray75 said: Let’s assume he doesn’t, leads them to the play-offs (preferably a deep run) but on the other hand Hurts does so well that both the coaching staff and FO believe he could be the next Dak Prescott. Pop quiz, hotshot! What are you going to do?! I'm just not so sure it's that easy. If Wentz stays healthy then how does Hurt do so well and convince the coaching staff that he could be the next Dak Prescott? In practice ok sure but that's not the NFL. And how do other teams know how good he is if he's not playing? If Wentz stays healthy and is the QB we all hope then you never see Hurts bar the odd trick play. If that's the case then Hurts isn't valued all that highly in a trade. If Wentz gets seriously hurt again then we aren't getting the boat load for him.
August 21, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I'm just not so sure it's that easy. If Wentz stays healthy then how does Hurt do so well and convince the coaching staff that he could be the next Dak Prescott? In practice ok sure but that's not the NFL. And how do other teams know how good he is if he's not playing? If Wentz stays healthy and is the QB we all hope then you never see Hurts bar the odd trick play. If that's the case then Hurts isn't valued all that highly in a trade. If Wentz gets seriously hurt again then we aren't getting the boat load for him. I'd prefer not to have the next Dak Prescott
August 21, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I'd prefer not to have the next Dak Prescott Why not? With all those first round picks we could be the new Dallas. We could win the draft every year...
August 21, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Why not? With all those first round picks we could be the new Dallas. We could win the draft every year... I see what you did there 😋
August 21, 20205 yr 10 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I'm just not so sure it's that easy. If Wentz stays healthy then how does Hurt do so well and convince the coaching staff that he could be the next Dak Prescott? In practice ok sure but that's not the NFL. And how do other teams know how good he is if he's not playing? If Wentz stays healthy and is the QB we all hope then you never see Hurts bar the odd trick play. If that's the case then Hurts isn't valued all that highly in a trade. If Wentz gets seriously hurt again then we aren't getting the boat load for him. Almost 10 years ago they traded McNabb to Washington and gave the keys to Kolb (also a 2nd round pick) who had zero NFL experience himself. In his first start he got injured (Packers Clay Matthews knocked him out of the game) and Vick took over and never looked back. As a matter of fact; the following year the Eagles traded Kolb to the Cardinals for a 2nd and corner DRC (Dominique Rogers Cromartie) even though he hardly showed anything at all. Thing is; if the Eagles see enough in Hurts (even in spurts/practice) and believe he could be the guy, it wouldn’t shock me if they entertained offers for Wentz next offseason. History might repeat itself...
August 21, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Ray75 said: Thing is; if the Eagles see enough in Hurts (even in spurts/practice) and believe he could be the guy, it wouldn’t shock me if they entertained offers for Wentz next offseason. They might but I just don't see it. Wentz has shown how high his ceiling can be. Hurts shouldn't even get the opportunity this year if all goes to plan. You can't gamble the teams future on that.
August 21, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: They might but I just don't see it. Wentz has shown how high his ceiling can be. Hurts shouldn't even get the opportunity this year if all goes to plan. You can't gamble the teams future on that. Why select a QB in the 2nd if you’re not planning to play him or showcase him if you want to attract trade interest?! I bet they’re not on the same team within a year or two. One or the other will get traded within the next two seasons.
August 22, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, Ray75 said: Why select a QB in the 2nd if you’re not planning to play him or showcase him if you want to attract trade interest?! I bet they’re not on the same team within a year or two. One or the other will get traded within the next two seasons. I just don't think they get much more than a second round pick for Hurts if he doesn't play the next year or two. And if he does play then we aren't getting a boat load for Wentz. That's all I'm saying.
August 22, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I just don't think they get much more than a second round pick for Hurts if he doesn't play the next year or two. And if he does play then we aren't getting a boat load for Wentz. That's all I'm saying. Do I have to remind you what we got for Sleeves, Kolb, McNabb?! You’re probably looking at it the wrong way. If Wentz doesn’t get injured and plays great and Hurts develops into a quality starter, the team has options going into the future. Whether they keep Wentz and trade Hurts or the other way around. It all depends on the compensation and confidence they have in each QB. Hurts was taken with one goal; leverage for the future! Not because they view him as a career backup. Whether he becomes the next Eagles franchise QB down the line or someone else’s. You simply do not use a high draft pick on a backup QB. Period! Btw; great to have these conversations again, buddy! Missed those!
August 22, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Ray75 said: Do I have to remind you what we got for Sleeves, Kolb, McNabb?! You’re probably looking at it the wrong way. We only landed a 2nd round pick and 4th for McNabb which turned out to be Nate Allen and Trevard Lindley. So in turn we didnt get anything for McNabb. Kolb we landed a 2nd rounder and DRC who did nothing for us.(3 picks, 24 passes defended) The Eagles traded back with the Cards pick to get Vinny Curry. Hes been solid, a great philly guy but nothing to brag about as a 2nd round pick. So was Hurts worth the 2nd round pick to get a 2nd rounder back as past experience shows? Well this was one of the deepest draft ever and right now we are looking at having the toughest drafts ever coming up to scout for. So if they turn out to do your suggestion of just use him as trade bait after a year then it is a complete fail in the FO. I think people are over looking at this. He was brought in as an insurance policy for Wentz. Wentz is not going anywhere unless he is unhealthy, retires. Its very expensive to sign a nice backup QB in todays market. Hurts is getting a fraction of that price. If he turns out to win us a few games each season that are key to a playoff run then the pick is worth it cap wise. The Eagles will keep him through his contract and then make that decision in 3/4 years when hes on his final year. I personally don;t mind the Hurts pick for the insurance factor. Now I wouldnt have minded having a player like Fromm in a late round instead but Hurts is interesting.
August 22, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, Ray75 said: You’re probably looking at it the wrong way. Perhaps I am but if Hurts doesn't start for us then teams aren't going to give up a lot to get him.
August 22, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Perhaps I am but if Hurts doesn't start for us then teams aren't going to give up a lot to get him. Another thing you can look at is Wentz is already 28 and QBs with his playing style tend to fall off a cliff when they hit 30. So if he doesn't stop putting himself in harms way it maybe possible he suffers the same fate in 2 years as others with his playing style.
August 22, 20205 yr On 8/21/2020 at 1:20 AM, Ray75 said: What I was trying to say is that you don’t spend a 2nd round pick on a QB if you believe he’ll be a career backup. Right?! Either he becomes your next franchise QB or a trade chip down the line... (see Kevin Kolb). I don’t really agree with this sentiment. The Eagles tried to draft a #2 QB in the 5th round, and he was so bad he was cut in training camp. They acquired Sudfeld who was a 6th round pick and he’s shown pretty much nothing in 3 years but kept a #3 QB spot. Eagles fans might have been happier if they waited until the 4th round to take Jacob Eason or James Morgan, or Jake Fromm in the 5th round — but obviously Eagles personnel don’t believe those guys can play. The point is, the Eagles drafted Hurts because they believe he can step in and win games if Wentz goes down; I’ve heard them say a few times ‘Hurts is a winner’. Wentz has gone down in each of the last 3 seasons, so there needed to be a contingency plan. Sudfeld isn’t even good enough to suit up ahead of 40+ Josh McCown in a playoff game — meaning he’s not the guy. The choices on the street were Joe Flacco (cooked), Andy Dalton (may have signed in DAL anyway), or Cam Newton (cooked AND a distraction). When the selection was announced I said ‘WTF’ like most Eagles fans, but Hurts is cost-effective for 4 years to a team up against the cap, he has experience leading big college programs (2), he was a model teammate when he had to sit behind Tua, and his athletic skills are very good — his stats were not much less than Murray or Mayfield at the same school. The pick fills a high priority need (if Hurts wins games when needed) and has the side benefit of a high ROI if the Eagles flip him after 2 or 3 years. By design, Hurts will never be the Eagles starting QB but he could become a very shrewd pick if he delivers any late season or (hopefully not necessary) playoff wins.
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