CaliEagle Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Gch said: I agree, Dak is not worth that contract. I have been reading all over the NFL websites tell JJ to sign Dak and give him the money so it’s done but unless he wins a SB it won’t be worth it. I do respect Brady for always taking the team first approach when it comes to money. But I’m sure it doesn’t hurt when your wife makes as much or more then you do. I think the philosophy on QBs is going to change pretty soon in that I think teams are going to be more willing to risk letting QBs go after their rookie deals to avoid paying these huge contracts to QBs that aren't top 5 QBs in the NFL. The Eagles got burned with Wentz and part of that was their own doing. But, I think teams are going to want to see at least two years of top 5 QB play before rewarding QBs with these kinds of deals. If that deal haunts Dallas, then I think teams will start seeing how Wentz, Dak and some of these other QBs are not worth these mammoth deals. I think teams will eventually gamble that a new rookie QB might have more upside and be worth the risk vs. gambling on the continued development of a slightly above average QB after 4 to 5 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 HA! Sorry but that's an awful contract. Dak is a decent QB but he's not elite. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 If anyone cares, part deux   On 3/8/2021 at 8:58 PM, paco said: This is what is interesting.....  It's a 4 year contract extension. And he was on the franchise tag last year. Therefore he would be under contract from 2021-2024 and an UDFA in 2025.   Sporttrac does not have numbers yet. But they do have the following (empty) table   If I were to GUESS, I bet you Dallas did two things.  1) Give him an obscenely low base salary this year and next. The bulk of his base salary will be in 23 and 24 2) Pull a Howie and built in void years in 25 and 26, thus lowering his cap hit over the 4 years and taking a dead hit in 25. (Detailed bonus info isn't available from what I've seen, but the signing bonus was 66 million. So If they did that, the signing bonus would account for 11 million each of the 4 years and 22 in the voided year)  If this is the case, this makes a TON of sense because his contract is modeled around the upcoming TV deal. Dak is happy because he gets paid. Dallas will be happy because his contract will be relative to the cap (and projected increase).  Of course, this is speculation on my part, because we don't have any numbers and I'm just some idiot fan who obsesses over the cap making a wild guess. But if I am on track and it plays out that way..... and Dak stays healthy..... and COVID has little to no effect on the upcoming season..... This will end up looking like a reasonable contract.   So, it looks like I wasn't too far off. They did in fact give two void years. What's interesting is that it is currently showing up as a 13.2 mill per year for the signing bonus, with $0 on the second void year which is in place to allow for a 2022 base salary to be restructured. Edit: Makes sense since you can only prorate over 5 years, as discussed below. What does that mean? Well currently his guaranteed money is his signing bonus, his 2021 salary and his 2022 salary. The second void year is put in place in case they want to convert that guaranteed salary into a signing bonus to spread that over the cap, should they need to (and looking at their upcoming cap situation, they may very well will).  I was also correct that the base salary balloons quite a bit after the first two years. It's 9 million this year, 20 million next year (thus the need to potentially convert his 2022 salary), and then 31 million in 2023.  2024 it drops slightly to 29 million, still a huge chunk. 68% percent of his base salary are in the final two years.  Two minor things to note: 1) 2023 is *Technically* the first year they can release him and get cap relief. He will have a whopping $44.2 million dollar cap hit that year and a $39.6 million dead cap hit. So if they cut him, that will be a $4.6 million dollar savings. However, if they convert his base salary to a signing bonus in 2022, which I believe is very likely, that will add an additional hit. How much is TBD, but lets say they reduce his base salary to 2 million with that restructure, that would tack on an additional $3.6 million and basically wiping out any savings. So 2024 is likely the first year they could move on. 2) He is also due a roster bonus of $5 million in 2024. In the past I wouldn't even care about this, but we saw how important that became when it came to deciding how to move forward with Carson.  3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins 20 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 So if they restructure his base in 2022 like your example shows ($20mill down to $2mill base + $18 mill signing bonus) and assuming everything else stays the same, the Cowboys will have a 2025 dead cap hit on Prescott alone of approximately $33.6 million: 2025 Portion of Original Prorated Signing Bonus $13.2m 2026 Portion of Original Prorated Signing Bonus $13.2m 2025 Restructured Portion of 2022 Base $3.6m 2026 Restructured Portion of 2022 Base $3.6m I know the new TV deal will be in place by then, but when did the Cowboys hire Howie Roseman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: So if they restructure his base in 2022 like your example shows ($20mill down to $2mill base + $18 mill signing bonus) and assuming everything else stays the same, the Cowboys will have a 2025 dead cap hit on Prescott alone of approximately $33.6 million: 2025 Portion of Original Prorated Signing Bonus $13.2m 2026 Portion of Original Prorated Signing Bonus $13.2m 2025 Restructured Portion of 2022 Base $3.6m 2026 Restructured Portion of 2022 Base $3.6m I know the new TV deal will be in place by then, but when did the Cowboys hire Howie Roseman? Not quite. There is no 2026 13.2 hit from what I can see. It appears to be an empty void year built in to do the 2022 restructure. So his 2025 dead cap hit would be $20.4 million. (Being that said, I don't know if that causes the old prorated signing bonus to now prorate across 2026. I don't think so but to be honest, I'm not clear on how that may change if at all)  This is what I am looking at.  YEAR  AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH  2021 28 $9,000,000 $13,200,000 - $22,200,000 $95,000,000 $75,000,000($75,000,000)  2022 29 $20,000,000 $13,200,000 - $33,200,000 $72,800,000 $20,000,000($95,000,000)  2023 30 $31,000,000 $13,200,000 - $44,200,000 $39,600,000 $31,000,000($126,000,000)  POTENTIAL OUT: 2024, 3 YR, $126,000,000; $26,400,000 DEAD CAP 2024 31 $29,000,000 $13,200,000 $5,000,000 $47,200,000 $26,400,000 $34,000,000($160,000,000)  2025 32 - $13,200,000 - $13,200,000 $13,200,000 -  2026 33 - - - - - -  2025 34 UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins 20 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, paco said: Not quite. There is no 2026 13.2 hit from what I can see. It appears to be an empty void year built in to do the 2022 restructure. So his 2025 dead cap hit would be $20.4 million. (Being that said, I don't know if that causes the old prorated signing bonus to now prorate across 2026. I don't think so but to be honest, I'm not clear on how that may change if at all)  This is what I am looking at.  YEAR  AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH  2021 28 $9,000,000 $13,200,000 - $22,200,000 $95,000,000 $75,000,000($75,000,000)  2022 29 $20,000,000 $13,200,000 - $33,200,000 $72,800,000 $20,000,000($95,000,000)  2023 30 $31,000,000 $13,200,000 - $44,200,000 $39,600,000 $31,000,000($126,000,000)  POTENTIAL OUT: 2024, 3 YR, $126,000,000; $26,400,000 DEAD CAP 2024 31 $29,000,000 $13,200,000 $5,000,000 $47,200,000 $26,400,000 $34,000,000($160,000,000)  2025 32 - $13,200,000 - $13,200,000 $13,200,000 -  2026 33 - - - - - -  2025 34 UFA Is there a 5 year limit on the amortization of signing bonuses? I forget all of the rules. That would make sense if there's no $13.2 hit in 2026. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 39 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: Is there a 5 year limit on the amortization of signing bonuses? I forget all of the rules. That would make sense if there's no $13.2 hit in 2026. Good question since I wasn't 100% sure either.   Looks like you are dead on. Quote VOID YEARS Another term you’ll see a lot this offseason is void years. Void years are dummy contract years that do not truly exist, as in the player is not actually under contract for those seasons. They serve as a placeholder for prorated money. Because a team can prorate money up to a maximum of five years, if the player’s current contract only had three years remaining, the team may seek to add void years onto the end of the deal to make the prorated bonus amounts even smaller. The process of clearing cap space is the same as the above example with Eddie Jackson, but because there are more years to push prorated money into, you can clear even more room in the current year. The Eagles reportedly did this with cornerback Darius Slay already, and here is what his deal now looks like: Year Base Salary Prorated Bonus Workout Bonus Gtd. Salary Cap # Dead Money 2020 $1.05M $3.25M $0 $1.05M $4.3M — 2021 $1.075M $5.525M $0 $0 $6.61M $23.175M 2022 $16M $5.525M $500K $2M $22.035M $17.64M 2023 $17M $5.525M $500K $0 $23.035M $10.105M 2024 VOID $2.285M VOID VOID $4.57M $4.57M 2025 VOID $2.285M VOID VOID $5.535M $2.285M *Darius Slay contract info via Over The Cap  That explains nicely why his signing bonus doesnt go into the empty void year. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins 20 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Well that makes a lot more sense now. I probably should've picked up on that ($13.2m x 5 = $66m... duh) but it was the end of the work day and I was way too lazy to do more math. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCorpseGroom Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Here's the crazy number in all of this Offense Total Salary: $136,097,840 Defense Total Salary: $66,000,026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paco Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 6 hours ago, TheCorpseGroom said: Here's the crazy number in all of this Offense Total Salary: $136,097,840 Defense Total Salary: $66,000,026 And they are one of the most top heavy teams on top of that: ACTIVE PLAYERS (64) POS. BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS OPTION BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUC. BONUS MISC. DEAD CAP CAP HIT CAP % DeMarcus Lawrence DE $17,000,000 $5,000,000 - - - $3,000,000 - ($44,000,000) $25,000,000 11.77 Dak Prescott QB $9,000,000 $13,200,000 - - - - - ($95,000,000) $22,200,000 10.45 Amari Cooper WR $20,000,000 $2,000,000 - - - - - ($28,000,000) $22,000,000 10.35 Zack Martin G $11,000,000 $4,000,000 - - - $2,018,000 - ($16,072,000) $17,018,000 8.01 Tyron Smith LT $10,500,000 - - - - $3,525,000 - ($8,865,000) $14,025,000 6.60 Ezekiel Elliott RB $9,600,000 $1,500,000 - $2,600,000 - - - ($24,500,000) $13,700,000 6.45 La'el Collins RT $8,550,000 $1,800,000 - $700,000 - $1,000,000 - ($12,200,000) $12,050,000 5.67 Jaylon Smith ILB $7,200,000 $1,000,000 - $1,600,000 - - - ($9,400,000) $9,800,000 4.61 Anthony Brown CB $4,250,000 $1,500,000 - - - - - ($3,000,000) $5,750,000 2.71 Blake Jarwin TE $3,500,000 $1,000,000 $46,875 - - - - ($3,000,000) $4,546,875 2.14 Leighton Vander Esch OLB $2,095,606 $1,674,142 - - - - - ($1,674,142) $3,769,748 1.77 CeeDee Lamb WR $1,246,819 $1,937,275 - - - - - ($11,462,737) $3,184,094 1.50 Connor Williams G $2,443,000 $517,998 - - - - - ($517,998) $2,960,998 1.39 Greg Zuerlein K $2,250,000 $333,333 $250,000 - - - - ($666,667) $2,833,333 1.33 Michael Gallup WR $2,443,000 $222,495 - - - - - ($222,495) $2,665,495 1.25 Chris Jones P $2,000,000 $500,000 - - - - - ($500,000) $2,500,000 1.18 Dalton Schultz TE $2,183,000 $113,092 - - - - - ($113,092) $2,296,092 1.08  To your point, only three players on the defense has a cap hit above 2 million. Everyone else on their defense makes less than their kicker and punter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAllenPick6 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The thing that I find odd about this is that many teams in recent years have won championships with a lot of young / cheap talent. Dallas is not going with that model _at all_.  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesRocker97 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 7:16 PM, Sturm said: 126 mil fully guaranteed for 1 playoff win. My god the amount of money these players make is insane. The bubble's gotta burst sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesRocker97 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Â On 3/8/2021 at 7:49 PM, CaliEagle said: The NFC East is a crapshoot, literally... Â Â On 3/8/2021 at 7:52 PM, EagleJoe8 said: Crapshoot or crapfest? Â Â Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCorpseGroom Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 12 hours ago, paco said: And they are one of the most top heavy teams on top of that: ACTIVE PLAYERS (64) POS. BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS OPTION BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUC. BONUS MISC. DEAD CAP CAP HIT CAP % DeMarcus Lawrence DE $17,000,000 $5,000,000 - - - $3,000,000 - ($44,000,000) $25,000,000 11.77 Dak Prescott QB $9,000,000 $13,200,000 - - - - - ($95,000,000) $22,200,000 10.45 Amari Cooper WR $20,000,000 $2,000,000 - - - - - ($28,000,000) $22,000,000 10.35 Zack Martin G $11,000,000 $4,000,000 - - - $2,018,000 - ($16,072,000) $17,018,000 8.01 Tyron Smith LT $10,500,000 - - - - $3,525,000 - ($8,865,000) $14,025,000 6.60 Ezekiel Elliott RB $9,600,000 $1,500,000 - $2,600,000 - - - ($24,500,000) $13,700,000 6.45 La'el Collins RT $8,550,000 $1,800,000 - $700,000 - $1,000,000 - ($12,200,000) $12,050,000 5.67 Jaylon Smith ILB $7,200,000 $1,000,000 - $1,600,000 - - - ($9,400,000) $9,800,000 4.61 Anthony Brown CB $4,250,000 $1,500,000 - - - - - ($3,000,000) $5,750,000 2.71 Blake Jarwin TE $3,500,000 $1,000,000 $46,875 - - - - ($3,000,000) $4,546,875 2.14 Leighton Vander Esch OLB $2,095,606 $1,674,142 - - - - - ($1,674,142) $3,769,748 1.77 CeeDee Lamb WR $1,246,819 $1,937,275 - - - - - ($11,462,737) $3,184,094 1.50 Connor Williams G $2,443,000 $517,998 - - - - - ($517,998) $2,960,998 1.39 Greg Zuerlein K $2,250,000 $333,333 $250,000 - - - - ($666,667) $2,833,333 1.33 Michael Gallup WR $2,443,000 $222,495 - - - - - ($222,495) $2,665,495 1.25 Chris Jones P $2,000,000 $500,000 - - - - - ($500,000) $2,500,000 1.18 Dalton Schultz TE $2,183,000 $113,092 - - - - - ($113,092) $2,296,092 1.08  To your point, only three players on the defense has a cap hit above 2 million. Everyone else on their defense makes less than their kicker and punter Yeah I noticed Lawrence is 1/3 of the D's salary. Insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortimer Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 7:16 PM, Sturm said: 126 mil fully guaranteed for 1 playoff win. My god the amount of money these players make is insane. Team owners can nip this in the bud by putting a salary cap on individual contracts in the next CBA.  They would have to increase salaries across the board, still spending more money, but the disparity between contracts ( and the huge risk, see Eagles, Texans ) would be kept somewhat in check.  The NFLPA is not only QBs, so they should be able to sell it to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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