June 15, 20214 yr Just now, TEW said: No it isn’t. Much better to know important dates and chronological events than a bunch of sh**lib propaganda. Why? What practical use does knowing what year "X" happened as opposed to knowing why it happened and it's effect on what's going on now?
June 15, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Why? What practical use does knowing what year "X" happened as opposed to knowing why it happened and it's effect on what's going on now? If you don’t know the chronological order of events you can’t possibly know how something happened, much less how it impacts today. What Dave describes is propaganda. Read primary sources. Memorize dates. Come to your own conclusions. What Dave and the sh**lib academic world wants is an ideological indoctrination program, not history.
June 15, 20214 yr Texas isn’t getting rid of their illegal workforce, TEW. Keep dreaming. Unless Americans all of a sudden want to pay a lot more for homes, landscaping services, food, etc. Heh.
June 15, 20214 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Texas isn’t getting rid of their illegal workforce, TEW. Keep dreaming. Unless Americans all of a sudden want to pay a lot more for homes, landscaping services, food, etc. Heh. Not as long as people like you are around, that’s for sure.
June 15, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: Not as long as people like you are around, that’s for sure. I’ve bought three homes, but none have been new construction. Somebody is buying them though. 😉
June 15, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I haven’t read any of those scholars work. However, discussions about using laws and policies to maintain power is something Michel Foucault (the French philosopher) wrote about. In undergrad history courses in 2021 the instructors are teaching a lot more cultural history than would have been common 30 or 40 years ago. So instead of this President did this and that President did that you dig into topics like race relations, women’s place in society (gender roles), and how immigrants assimilated (or didn’t) into American culture. It’s actually a much better way to talk about history than the old way (which includes memorizing a bunch more of random dates) Isn't that social science? There is some overlap with history if course, and they can be complementary, but they're distinct as well.
June 16, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Isn't that social science? There is some overlap with history if course, and they can be complementary, but they're distinct as well. Yeah, it’s social science.
June 16, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, TEW said: If you don’t know the chronological order of events you can’t possibly know how something happened, much less how it impacts today. What Dave describes is propaganda. Read primary sources. Memorize dates. Come to your own conclusions. What Dave and the sh**lib academic world wants is an ideological indoctrination program, not history. Sure chronological order is important. So is context. But let's say you know that the 15th Amendment giving black men the right to vote was ratified in 1870. You might be somewhat puzzled to learn that Martin Luther King Jr. was still pushing for voting rights legislation in the summer of 1965. And that people were even shot and killed over it. That requires some deeper study and analysis.
June 16, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: Gotta love the fake right wing outrage about non-existent issues. Yeah but if it weren’t for fake right wing outrage about non-existent issues, what legislation would Ron Desantis sign? You want Ron Desantis to stay busy, don’t you?
June 16, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Sure chronological order is important. So is context. But let's say you know that the 15th Amendment giving black men the right to vote was ratified in 1870. You might be somewhat puzzled to learn that Martin Luther King Jr. was still pushing for voting rights legislation in the summer of 1965. And that people were even shot and killed over it. That requires some deeper study and analysis. Yeah, skipping nearly a hundred years of history might make that perplexing. There are a lot of years in recorded history. Thousands of them! Best not to waste time on your propaganda, because those dates and events aren’t going to memorize themselves.
June 16, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: I haven’t read any of those scholars work. However, discussions about using laws and policies to maintain power is something Michel Foucault (the French philosopher) wrote about. In undergrad history courses in 2021 the instructors are teaching a lot more cultural history than would have been common 30 or 40 years ago. So instead of this President did this and that President did that you dig into topics like race relations, women’s place in society (gender roles), and how immigrants assimilated (or didn’t) into American culture. It’s actually a much better way to talk about history than the old way (which includes memorizing a bunch more of random dates) History was my worst subject apart from math. I could never remember all the dates and details. I learned best hearing the stories, learning the purpose and motivations. I would get the gist and know the moral of the story or the main ideas but not memorize the places, dates and names apart from the main figures. I had 1 HS History teacher who did a much better job bringing History to life, as you said beyond just dates and events.
June 16, 20214 yr 11 hours ago, TEW said: If you don’t know the chronological order of events you can’t possibly know how something happened, much less how it impacts today. What Dave describes is propaganda. Read primary sources. Memorize dates. Come to your own conclusions. What Dave and the sh**lib academic world wants is an ideological indoctrination program, not history. You can know the order of key events without memorizing the exact date.
June 16, 20214 yr 11 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Isn't that social science? There is some overlap with history if course, and they can be complementary, but they're distinct as well. Oxymoron alert!
June 16, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, greend said: anybody know why IFB DOG got banned? Vikas gave a shady looking character a briefcase full of cash, and next thing we know he was gone.
June 16, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Vikas gave a shady looking character a briefcase full of cash, and next thing we know he was gone. I guess that's what happens when you are the poor going against @vikas83
June 16, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, TEW said: No it isn’t. Much better to know important dates and chronological events than a bunch of sh**lib propaganda. How unsurprising that white-washed history is fine with you.
June 16, 20214 yr Author 49 minutes ago, Toastrel said: How unsurprising that white-washed history is fine with you. So because Toaster is a complete **** and incapable of understanding or even looking into what CRT is in public education, here's a comprehensive thread on how it's being currently applied in public schools: Basically, go to any gender studies class on the most liberal college campus you can find. Pick out the blue-est haired. most non-binary androgynous blob you can find and ask zhem zheir politics, and it would come out sounding like a CRT lecture. It's basically bringing all the unfettered retardation you'd normally get on liberal college campuses to elementary, middle, and high school students. So of course complete morons like toaster have no idea what it is or how it's applied and just reflexively support it because it's basically hardcore indoctrination of school children into liberal ideology.
June 16, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, Kz! said: So because Toaster is a complete **** and incapable of understanding or even looking into what CRT is in public education, here's a comprehensive thread on how it's being currently applied in public schools: Basically, go to any gender studies class on the most liberal college campus you can find. Pick out the blue-est haired. most non-binary androgynous blob you can find and ask zhem zheir politics, and it would come out sounding like a CRT lecture. It's basically bringing all the unfettered retardation you'd normally get on liberal college campuses to elementary, middle, and high school students. So of course complete morons like toaster have no idea what it is or how it's applied and just reflexively support it because it's basically hardcore indoctrination of school children into liberal ideology. Did you hear he had people over last weekend - and they sat around a table and talked - WITHOUT MASKS ON!
June 16, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: Did you hear he had people over last weekend - and they sat around a table and talked - WITHOUT MASKS ON! Yeah, imagine not wanting to get your friends and family members sick. That Toaster - what a weirdo.
June 16, 20214 yr Ok so there's a debate: is CRT being taught in elementary and high schools? It doesn't seem that schools are using the phrase Critical Race Theory and they are not citing the scholars that worked on CRT. From articles I read in various sources from left/right/middle they say it's only being truly studied at the university level with specific people, it's not a wide spread curriculum or something. So, it seems that it would help clarify the debate to stop saying that CRT is being taught in elementary and high school education. But we keep seeing stories like the above and others in recent years that people have a problem with. When they mistakenly call it CRT, the response is well it's not CRT which is only taught in universities. It might be easier to not get sidetracked on debating whether the concepts are literally CRT or not, but rather deal with approaches and teachings that you think are problematic. So, if teachers or students are being told they are inherently racist and that whiteness is bad...put aside debating "that's not technically CRT and citing those exact CRT scholars" and deal with what is actually being taught. On the other hand, with new heightened awareness about racial justice and wanting to examine the ramifications beyond just knowing the names, dates and basics of events doesn't always equate to a white fragility lecture that every white person is racist. For example, acknowledging that the founding of the nation wasn't the peak of freedom that there was still work to be done for racial equality there's nothing wrong with that. It seems that there is a knee-jerk reaction from conservatives whenever they hear about education going deeper to examine issues of race that it always means they're teaching anti-white rhetoric. The waters get muddied and people make assumptions. So the narrative in media becomes "conservatives don't want to talk about race" and perhaps that is true for some, but others may just be looking for confirmation bias that "the left" is forcing CRT concepts into education whether it's true or not.
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