1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

No. I believe your constant f-ing crying about the public school system has more to do wanting to privatize public education than any "obvious historical truths”. The propaganda push to completely wreck the school system into privatization has more to do profiteering than education. But the voters have to be convinced the system is broken before they will accept the solution.

If you, and others pushing privatized education, know of such a better and more efficient way to educate, why don’t you use the free market to open your own school. I’m sure the quality and value you produce with your extensive f-ing knowledge will spread like wildfire and everyone will line up to send their kids to TEW University.

The public "school system” is already completely FUBAR. Almost anything would be an improvement. It amounts to a warehousing institution at this point — an expensive, bureaucratically bloated mind washing warehouse while mothers work. 

As for the second part, the problem is the taxes people are forced at gun point to pay to fund public schools. You can’t force people to pay thousands of dollars to fund your precious public school and then say "just start a private school.” Private schools exist and are only an option to parents who can either afford to pay what is essentially double tuition (since they are forced to pay for the sh** public schools) or for kids who are smart enough or good enough athletes or fill the right quotas to justify a scholarship from the school.

If you want the free market to work, then let’s have an actual market system. Or at the very least a full school voucher commensurate with the tax dollars earmarked for every student. We already know, for instance, that catholic schools on average are both cheaper per student and produce better results than public schools. Given the chance, a lot of people would choose a catholic school over a public school if they didn’t have to pay the tuition on top of the taxes that fund public schools.

So let’s open it up. But, oh, the psycho leftists fight that tooth and nail. And why? Because it isn’t about giving kids a proper education — it’s about money and power. Money to the public teacher unions and their kickbacks to democratic politicians. Power to bureaucrats and administrators. Cushy pensions and campaign funds. Institutions of propaganda to create little leftist lemmings. Literally everything but actual student well being and knowledge. 

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

The public "school system” is already completely FUBAR. Almost anything would be an improvement. It amounts to a warehousing institution at this point — an expensive, bureaucratically bloated mind washing warehouse while mothers work. 

As for the second part, the problem is the taxes people are forced at gun point to pay to fund public schools. You can’t force people to pay thousands of dollars to fund your precious public school and then say "just start a private school.” Private schools exist and are only an option to parents who can either afford to pay what is essentially double tuition (since they are forced to pay for the sh** public schools) or for kids who are smart enough or good enough athletes or fill the right quotas to justify a scholarship from the school.

If you want the free market to work, then let’s have an actual market system. Or at the very least a full school voucher commensurate with the tax dollars earmarked for every student. We already know, for instance, that catholic schools on average are both cheaper per student and produce better results than public schools. Given the chance, a lot of people would choose a catholic school over a public school if they didn’t have to pay the tuition on top of the taxes that fund public schools.

So let’s open it up. But, oh, the psycho leftists fight that tooth and nail. And why? Because it isn’t about giving kids a proper education — it’s about money and power. Money to the public teacher unions and their kickbacks to democratic politicians. Power to bureaucrats and administrators. Cushy pensions and campaign funds. Institutions of propaganda to create little leftist lemmings. Literally everything but actual student well being and knowledge. 

So you’re not going to open TEW University on its own merits?

Just going to keep b!tching until money is legislated into the hands of private businesses for profit education?

1 minute ago, MidMoFo said:

So you’re not going to open TEW University on its own merits?

Just going to keep b!tching until money is legislated into the hands of private businesses for profit education?

I’ve donated scholarship money for private schools. So, yes, I’ve actually put my money where my mouth is.

And yes, I will keep bishing and agitating for the public school system as currently constructed in this country to be burned to the ground.

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

We already know, for instance, that catholic schools on average are both cheaper per student and produce better results than public schools. Given the chance, a lot of people would choose a catholic school over a public school if they didn’t have to pay the tuition on top of the taxes that fund public schools.

You have any data to back this claim up ? not trolling, actually would like to see the numbers. 

and for the record i would never send my kids to a catholic school to be brainwashed by the biggest pedo ring in the history of mankind. 

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

You have any data to back this claim up ? not trolling, actually would like to see the numbers. 

and for the record i would never send my kids to a catholic school to be brainwashed by the biggest pedo ring in the history of mankind. 

Yeah, I posted a whole bunch of it in the old board, give me a bit and I’ll try to dig it back up.

Funny enough, public school teachers are ACTUALLY the biggest pedos in the country. Yes, more than catholic priests, who are comparatively less prone to pedophilia than rabbis and public school teachers.

Just now, TEW said:

Yeah, I posted a whole bunch of it in the old board, give me a bit and I’ll try to dig it back up.

Funny enough, public school teachers are ACTUALLY the biggest pedos in the country. Yes, more than catholic priests, who are comparatively less prone to pedophilia than rabbis and public school teachers.

and dig those numbers up too. i assume they would include all of the female teachers banging teenage boys. 

@TEW: The public educations system is FUBAR

@MidMoFo: That's not true, you've gone off the deep end! You just want for-profit private schools!

Public education system:

 

@Alpha_TATEr

here you go:

Schools in the United States spend an average of $12,624 per pupil

https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics#public-education-spending-statistics

 

Average Cost of Private School

Private schools are unaffiliated with any local, regional, state, or national government and do not receive public funding. Private school tuition varies depending on education level and the institution’s affiliation.

• $12,350 is the average annual tuition among all private schools nationwide.
• $7,630 is the average annual tuition for private elementary school students.
• $16,040 is the average annual tuition for private secondary school.
• $16,600 is the median annual tuition among all private schools.
• Catholic private schools, or parish schools, tend to have the lowest tuition compared to other religious or unaffiliated private schools.
• $4,840 is the average annual tuition for elementary students at Catholic private schools.
• $11,240 is the average annual tuition for secondary Catholic private school.

https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-private-school#average-cost-of-private-school

 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

and dig those numbers up too. i assume they would include all of the female teachers banging teenage boys. 

Sure thing dude.

According to a study conducted by researchers at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, "4,392 priests and deacons had allegations of child sexual abuse from 1950 to 2002 against 10, 667 children, representing approximately 4% of all priests in the United States in that time period.”
 

....

The U.S. Department of Education found that 5% to7% of public school teachers engage in sexual abuse of children per year.^[6]

^{https://sites.law.duq.edu/juris/2019/03/16/catholic-priest-sex-abuse-scandals-how-the-media-shapes-the-public-perception-of-child-abuse-in-the-catholic-church/}

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’ve donated scholarship money for private schools. So, yes, I’ve actually put my money where my mouth is.

And yes, I will keep bishing and agitating for the public school system as currently constructed in this country to be burned to the ground.

Where I live, we have access to 3 private schools, 1 Catholic, 1 Lutheran and 1 non-denominational. Families are leaving the small city I live outside of to get into the public school district we live in. It’s because the community supports the school district by voting yes on bond issues and then we hold the administration accountable. Not by screeching about CRT or why did little Johnny get a ‘D’ in class (we also hold our kids accountable), but with the respect anyone you’re trusting your kids with should get.
 

So far, 0 bathroom tranny rapes.

1 minute ago, MidMoFo said:

Where I live, we have access to 3 private schools, 1 Catholic, 1 Lutheran and 1 non-denominational. Families are leaving the small city I live outside of to get into the public school district we live in. It’s because the community supports the school district by voting yes on bond issues and then we hold the administration accountable. Not by screeching about CRT or why did little Johnny get a ‘D’ in class (we also hold our kids accountable), but with the respect anyone you’re trusting your kids with should get.
 

So far, 0 bathroom tranny rapes.

Yeah but TEWs a Trumpbot with no kids.  I think he knows more about sending kids to public school than you do.

The public school system is absolutely necessary for this nation to compete. The private school system simply is not equipped to handle the volume, and if they had to scale up to deal with 10x the number of students private schools would start to exhibit the same problems we see plaguing public schools.

If you want "the poors" to take a real step towards rising up against the elite, go ahead and eliminate public schools which represents the smallest bit of hope for them to raise their station in life.

An educated youth benefits everybody, and it's one of the areas where it makes total sense to socialize spending - same as police and firefighters. 

I've long wanted a national standard set for education requirements, but apparently that's not a popular sentiment. Instead we'll let many city schools continue to wallow in failure and some rural schools teach that slaves didn't have it so bad or other "alternative histories". 

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

Sure thing dude.

 

 

yeah, i am going to take a wild guess and say those numbers on the priests only include those that actually got reported so they are hardly reliable. at all.

beyond that, like i said i do not want my kids brainwashed with religious BS. 

 

also, the school district we are in produces just as many college grads and non college grads that go on to be productive people just as the catholic schools. 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

yeah, i am going to take a wild guess and say those numbers on the priests only include those that actually got reported so they are hardly reliable. at all.

beyond that, like i said i do not want my kids brainwashed with religious BS. 

Heaven forbid

1 minute ago, sameaglesfan said:

Heaven forbid

exactly. 

3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

yeah, i am going to take a wild guess and say those numbers on the priests only include those that actually got reported so they are hardly reliable. at all.

beyond that, like i said i do not want my kids brainwashed with religious BS. 

 

also, the school district we are in produces just as many college grads and non college grads that go on to be productive people just as the catholic schools. 

Yes, you would be correct:

The data is based on actual data and not made up numbers in people’s minds that are fabricated to support their preconceived ideas.

12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

yeah, i am going to take a wild guess and say those numbers on the priests only include those that actually got reported so they are hardly reliable. at all.

beyond that, like i said i do not want my kids brainwashed with religious BS. 

 

also, the school district we are in produces just as many college grads and non college grads that go on to be productive people just as the catholic schools. 

While that may be true, isn't it possible not all school teacher abuse gets reported?  

btw, if a topic about people hating whites doesn't turn into a discussion about public vs private education, pedophilia, Catholic church, conservative radio hosts, the poors and the rampant racism and presence of the KKK in Winston-Salem, NC is it even a CVON thread?

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

While that may be true, isn't it possible not all school teacher abuse gets reported?  

It’s far more socially acceptable to call out the Catholic Church. It’s a normalized thing to the point that it’s a common joke.
 

If anything, one would expect the gap to widen if all child abuse were discovered, not tighten.

18 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

I love this concept. There's this anti-1% mindset that Bezos or Musk couldn't work the counter at Arby's.  Pretty sure they could handle it.  I say instead let's take Timmy the grocery bagger and put him in charge of Amazon for the day. Let the hilarity ensue.

14 hours ago, TEW said:

In what alternate universe do college professors have no influence on politics?

Professors are the ones who shape the minds of college students, and college students become a disproportionate share of the voters.

Where do you think all of this leftist insanity comes from? Do you think all of these radical activists randomly come to the same moronic conclusions? Or do you think that maybe they’re all being taught the same things by radical professors?

Critical Race Theory is a great example. A concept created by professors that now forms the basis for public school curriculums. Without these insane professors, we don’t have trannies raping people in bathrooms they shouldn’t be in, we don’t have schools teaching everyone that white people are evil, we don’t have the entire third wave feminist harpy movement. 
 

Where do you think the whole "criminal justice reform” idea came from? Do you think it spontaneously spawned in the minds of people, or do you think maybe it was dreamed up by moronic professors?

Then there’s the whole climate change hysteria. All backed by studies (some proven to be fabricated) out of universities. This whole crusade was spawned in academia.
 

Basically every policy is in part justified by studies that come out of academia, both left and right, on nearly every issue.

But yeah, definitely no influence on politics.

40 minutes ago, NOTW said:

While that may be true, isn't it possible not all school teacher abuse gets reported?  

i am sure thats true, but to what extent has the public school system gone to cover up the ones that were reported ? 

37 minutes ago, TEW said:

Sure thing dude.

 

 

Something is not right with this 5-7% number.

This Duquesne article references an article in Psychology Today, which references a study that does not appear to make any estimate of the number of teachers who engaged in sexual abuse: https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

First off, there is a terminology issue. Sexual misconduct, harassment, and abuse are very different; sexual harassment can be telling an off-color joke, making an inappropriate comment, to unwelcome sexual advances and propositions. Sexual abuse can be anything from inappropriate touching to sexual relations. Sexual misconduct is a catch-all phrase encompassing any of the above.

If you look at the above report, maybe you can find it but nowhere in there is this "5-7% of public school teachers engage in sexual abuse"

The only concrete numbers of relevance I was able to find are these:

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Responses from students who indicated they had experienced one of the listed behaviors were analyzed using descriptive statistics and frequencies. This analysis (Shakeshaft, 2003) indicates that 9.6 percent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report contact and/or noncontact educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted. 8.7 percent 18 report only noncontact sexual misconduct and 6.7 percent experienced only contact misconduct. (These total to more than 9.6 percent because some students reported both types of misconduct.) Of students who experienced any kind of sexual misconduct in schools, 21 percent were targets of educators, while the remaining 79 percent were targets of other students.

 So looking at this, 6.7% of students experience contact misconduct, which doesn't break down to abuse. And of those, only 21% of those were from teachers - meaning something like 1.3% of students would have experienced sexual misconduct from a teacher. And that misconduct could range anywhere from an inappropriate comment to sexual relations. All are bad of course, but not equally bad.

There are a number of studies compiled in that Dept. of Education synthesis, but all of them are gathered by polling students about whether or not they experienced sexual misconduct across many years of school. 

To be sure, I'm not arguing that sexual misconduct doesn't happen or that it's a problem we shouldn't be addressing. But I find very little in the original Department of Education synthesis cited by Psychology Today which itself was cited by Duquesne. FWIW pgs 16-21 detail prevalence of sexual misconduct among educators. 

 

51 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yes, you would be correct:

The data is based on actual data and not made up numbers in people’s minds that are fabricated to support their preconceived ideas.

 

From the bio of the guy who wrote the Psychology Today article, that somehow interpreted that Dept of Education document to indicate "5-7% of educators engaged in similar sexual abusive behaviors as clergy members":

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He recently served as vice-chair of the National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Youth for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

 

You might want to dig in a bit deeper.

4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i am sure thats true, but to what extent has the public school system gone to cover up the ones that were reported ? 

I don't know, we do know what the Catholic church did.  Just saying logically if it might go unreported in one arena, couldn't it be elsewhere also?  I'm not making any claims about it in public schools was just asking about the logic.