On 4/21/2020 at 3:30 PM, Gannan said:

Yeah, why do you guys need to talk about the president in a political forum!

But now that we are here, we should start an official count down to the end of the Trump presidency. 

 

These plants were closing because of massive outbreaks.  Not sure how they can stay open when most of their workforce is sick.  

Also, big government forcing businesses closed...bad.  Big government forcing businesses open....good?

 

8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

These plants were closing because of massive outbreaks.  Not sure how they can stay open when most of their workforce is sick.  

Also, big government forcing businesses closed...bad.  Big government forcing businesses open....good?

Come on you are forgetting the Repub mantra that the non-rich are expendable peons. They are taking their strategy from the Zapp Branningan playbook here. Just throw wave after wave of their own men at it. Who cares what happens to them? They aren't the rich so F them.

 

11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

These plants were closing because of massive outbreaks.  Not sure how they can stay open when most of their workforce is sick.  

Also, big government forcing businesses closed...bad.  Big government forcing businesses open....good?

I mean they can just bring more people over the border if they wanted to fill the job if we are being real. 

14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

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Sacrifice your children to aid dear leader's re-election chances.

On 4/21/2020 at 2:05 PM, Dave Moss said:

Thanks for your support, Mike. 

It means a lot.  

The first six months after I was banned we had just won the Super Bowl and I didn't really miss this place.  But then season rolled around.  The Eagles started to falter and Trump messed up once or twice.  And I couldn't post.

Welcome back!

24 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

I feel bad for the high school seniors.  This was supposed to be the times you remember most about school and friends in high school. Prom, graduation, gran night.  All that gone forever.  
 

if there was a way to let only seniors go back (with masks and 6’ rule effective  it would have to consider it.  

11 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

I feel bad for the high school seniors.  This was supposed to be the times you remember most about school and friends in high school. Prom, graduation, gran night.  All that gone forever.  
 

if there was a way to let only seniors go back (with masks and 6’ rule effective  it would have to consider it.  

Probably better that they learn to deal with disappointment. Better preparation for the reality of life, which this generations tends to be woefully unprepared for. 

38 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

These plants were closing because of massive outbreaks.  Not sure how they can stay open when most of their workforce is sick.  

Also, big government forcing businesses closed...bad.  Big government forcing businesses open....good?

I'm a bit conflicted about this. It would depend on the parameters here, but there is a cost/benefit here that has to be considered.

I don't know all the numbers, but if enough processing plants close that would start to put a squeeze on the supply chain of food here. Right now we have a situation where because we're losing the ability to process meat, we're euthanizing and discarding huge numbers of animals: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/27/piglets-aborted-chickens-gassed-as-pandemic-slams-meat-sector.html

I am not knowledgeable enough in this area to know what of the above reporting is media sensationalism and what the actual impact is here, but what I would say is that there is a point where losing the ability to process meat becomes a crisis potentially worse than COVID-19. Can you imagine the panic is store shelves are bare of meat products?

It would be nice if we had the luxury of a president who had any clue about how to navigate a crisis. That said, if a rational president who had a few brain cells to rub together was talking about this, some of us might at least have a little hope that said president would have a reasonable plan that tries to balance the safety of the workers with the need for a free-flowing supply chain. 

The main point of what I'm saying here is that the above truly could turn into a crisis if it leads to serious supply chain problems and bare shelves. It's disingenuous to slam a president for not doing enough to cause one crisis, and then also slam him for - even in his own floundering way - doing "something" to prevent another. I have no delusions about whether he's competent to do so, or even that he has reasons for doing so that extend beyond how this impacts him.

But we also can't cut our capacity to process meat by "up to 80%" (whatever that means) and not expect there to be panic far worse than we've seen.

5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I'm a bit conflicted about this. It would depend on the parameters here, but there is a cost/benefit here that has to be considered.

I don't know all the numbers, but if enough processing plants close that would start to put a squeeze on the supply chain of food here. Right now we have a situation where because we're losing the ability to process meat, we're euthanizing and discarding huge numbers of animals: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/27/piglets-aborted-chickens-gassed-as-pandemic-slams-meat-sector.html

I am not knowledgeable enough in this area to know what of the above reporting is media sensationalism and what the actual impact is here, but what I would say is that there is a point where losing the ability to process meat becomes a crisis potentially worse than COVID-19. Can you imagine the panic is store shelves are bare of meat products?

It would be nice if we had the luxury of a president who had any clue about how to navigate a crisis. That said, if a rational president who had a few brain cells to rub together was talking about this, some of us might at least have a little hope that said president would have a reasonable plan that tries to balance the safety of the workers with the need for a free-flowing supply chain. 

The main point of what I'm saying here is that the above truly could turn into a crisis if it leads to serious supply chain problems and bare shelves. It's disingenuous to slam a president for not doing enough to cause one crisis, and then also slam him for - even in his own floundering way - doing "something" to prevent another. I have no delusions about whether he's competent to do so, or even that he has reasons for doing so that extend beyond how this impacts him.

But we also can't cut our capacity to process meat by "up to 80%" (whatever that means) and not expect there to be panic far worse than we've seen.

But none of that addresses the problem, which is that these plants are so ripe for COVID infection that they're having difficulty staying open without widespread cases.  Simply ordering them open doesn't solve any of that.

And I have no problem with the government ordering them open from a big government standpoint, I'm just addressing the morons (including, depending on how he feels that day, the President himself) that think the government doing anything to stem the tide of infection is somehow a violation of our rights.

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Probably better that they learn to deal with disappointment. Better preparation for the reality of life, which this generations tends to be woefully unprepared for. 

Damn Boomer, that was pretty Boomer.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

But none of that addresses the problem, which is that these plants are so ripe for COVID infection that they're having difficulty staying open without widespread cases.  Simply ordering them open doesn't solve any of that.

Right, which is why I said that "if a rational president who had a few brain cells to rub together was talking about this, some of us might at least have a little hope that said president would have a reasonable plan that tries to balance the safety of the workers with the need for a free-flowing supply chain."

I don't know necessarily what the answer is. But if the choice is between taking some risk but keeping the meat supply chain going, and the "we can't take any risk of anyone ever anywhere getting or carrying COVID-19" (which is what some like that @McNabb2Jackson7 from the "old" EMB seem to want, not saying you do) then you have to figure out how to make the former work.

Would be nice to have a competent president.

22 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Damn Boomer, that was pretty Boomer.

Gen X -- that's why I am so jaded. And barely Gen X -- months away from being a worthless millennial. 

EDIT: looks like some people use 1980, some 1981. I'm a 1979 baby, so safe either way.

30 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Probably better that they learn to deal with disappointment. Better preparation for the reality of life, which this generations tends to be woefully unprepared for. 

Yeah but on the flip side there is plenty of disappointment in life. Missing Being a senior is big.  And maybe it’s avoidable.  

16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Gen X -- that's why I am so jaded. And barely Gen X -- months away from being a worthless millennial. 

EDIT: looks like some people use 1980, some 1981. I'm a 1979 baby, so safe either way.

some have event tried putting 1979'ers into Millennial. that's insane. personally I think you need to get into the mid-80s born kids to start to see the switch to "millennial" mentalities.

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

some have event tried putting 1979'ers into Millennial. that's insane. personally I think you need to get into the mid-80s born kids to start to see the switch to "millennial" mentalities.

The line of demarcation for me is simple -- did you have high speed internet in middle and high school. We got AOL dial-up when I was in high school.

24 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The line of demarcation for me is simple -- did you have high speed internet in middle and high school. We got AOL dial-up when I was in high school.

in middle school I was running up phone bills dialing in to BBS's..

2 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

I feel bad for the high school seniors.  This was supposed to be the times you remember most about school and friends in high school. Prom, graduation, gran night.  All that gone forever.  
 

if there was a way to let only seniors go back (with masks and 6’ rule effective  it would have to consider it.  

 

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Probably better that they learn to deal with disappointment. Better preparation for the reality of life, which this generations tends to be woefully unprepared for. 

My oldest is a senior. When she starts to whine, I tell her to play the presidents entrance music.

 

Congressional Republicans in 2020 have embraced $2 trillion — and counting — in stimulus with almost no resistance.

Not a point lost on me at all. They should be embarrassed.

 

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The line of demarcation for me is simple -- did you have high speed internet in middle and high school. We got AOL dial-up when I was in high school.

And here I thought I was younger than you. I didn’t know what the internet was until I was in college. I think Gen Xers were built for this social distancing thing. I was a latch key kid from 1st grade on. Now that would be considered criminal. 

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

Congressional Republicans in 2020 have embraced $2 trillion — and counting — in stimulus with almost no resistance.

Not a point lost on me at all. They should be embarrassed.

 

It’s 2 trillion for the president’s re-election campaign. You should be happy. 

9 hours ago, Gannan said:

It’s 2 trillion for the president’s re-election campaign. You should be happy. 

It always is