June 3, 20205 yr I remember this guy got hired and MAGA broke into a collective circle jerk. Boy they loved them some "Mad Dog" Mattis... a real Murica loving patriot.
June 3, 20205 yr 28 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: I remember this guy got hired and MAGA broke into a collective circle jerk. Boy they loved them some "Mad Dog" Mattis... a real Murica loving patriot. Love or hate him... at least he has a spine.
June 3, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, mayanh8 said: I remember this guy got hired and MAGA broke into a collective circle jerk. Boy they loved them some "Mad Dog" Mattis... a real Murica loving patriot. Though I don't consider myself maga
June 3, 20205 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Who cares at this point? I want to see how the chest thumping Trumpbot tough guys here deal with the cognitive dissonance of Mad Dog calling Trump a piece of ish.
June 3, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I want to see how the chest thumping Trumpbot tough guys here deal with the cognitive dissonance of Mad Dog calling Trump a piece of ish. They’ll say the Deep State got to him.
June 3, 20205 yr That’ll show those libs.... But in all seriousness, Trump’s presidency has been one empty gesture in symbolism after another.
June 3, 20205 yr Mattis was the man in the military ‘I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you F with me, I’ll kill you all.’ Mattis remembered offering this message to Iraqi leaders following the invasion
June 3, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said: That’ll show those libs.... But in all seriousness, Trump’s presidency has been one empty gesture in symbolism after another. Is the July 4th military parade still happening?
June 4, 20205 yr 52 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: They’ll say the Deep State got to him. Got to him? He’s a career military officer. By definition he is a big part of "the deep state.” That’s what "the deep state” is — unelected government workers with a lot of power. I also think he’s very patriotic and well intentioned and, in the following regard, very wrong: We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. Sorry, but "small number of lawbreakers” is just delusional. There are tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of them. They’ve killed multiple people, beaten an incalculable number, burned buildings, destroyed cars and property, and looted hundreds of stores. Bush used the military in the LA riots, and rightly so. Trump would be right to use them here. It’s not a small number. It’s a mob, and the mob is looting in dozens of cities.
June 4, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, TEW said: Got to him? He’s a career military officer. By definition he is a big part of "the deep state.” That’s what "the deep state” is — unelected government workers with a lot of power. I also think he’s very patriotic and well intentioned and, in the following regard, very wrong: We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. Sorry, but "small number of lawbreakers” is just delusional. There are tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of them. They’ve killed multiple people, beaten an incalculable number, burned buildings, destroyed cars and property, and looted hundreds of stores. Bush used the military in the LA riots, and rightly so. Trump would be right to use them here. It’s not a small number. It’s a mob, and the mob is looting in dozens of cities. Gotcha. I didn’t realize that even Trump’s cabinet was the Deep State.
June 4, 20205 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Gotcha. I didn’t realize that even Trump’s cabinet was the Deep State. Comey was part of his cabinet too... I mean, look, you can debate the power and influence and coordination of "the deep state” but by the literal dictionary definition, the military brass is a big part of it: deep state noun noun: deep state; plural noun: deep states a body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.
June 4, 20205 yr 55 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Is the July 4th military parade still happening? Mattis even told aides he would rather 'swallow acid' than allow Trump to throw a $50 million 'Victory Parade' in the nation's capital.
June 4, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: Comey was part of his cabinet too... I mean, look, you can debate the power and influence and coordination of "the deep state” but by the literal dictionary definition, the military brass is a big part of it: deep state noun noun: deep state; plural noun: deep states a body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy. The FBI Director is not part of the cabinet. The FBI is in the Justice Dept and only Attorney General is a cabinet level position.
June 4, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The FBI Director is not part of the cabinet. The FBI is in the Justice Dept and only Attorney General is a cabinet level position. Fair enough. You get the point though. Unelected career government workers are the deep state.
June 4, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: Fair enough. You get the point though. Unelected career government workers are the deep state. Yeah, I get the point... ...but I also think it’s a load of b.s.!
June 4, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah, I get the point... ...but I also think it’s a load of b.s.! So you don’t think bureaucrats use their power to achieve political objective?
June 4, 20205 yr James Comey served in the Bush administration. So, I’m a little skeptical when people say he’s secretly a Democrat.
June 4, 20205 yr 37 minutes ago, TEW said: Fair enough. You get the point though. Unelected career government workers are the deep state. so do you think calling it "deep state" sounds intelligent?
June 4, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said: Dummy I truly hope our country fixes this embarrassment in November. He has sh** all over much better men and women for far too long.
June 4, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: James Comey served in the Bush administration. So, I’m a little skeptical when people say he’s secretly a Democrat. He also served under Obama. I don’t know if he’s a democrat or not, but he is definitely is that spectrum of neocon/centrist Democrat. 55 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: so do you think calling it "deep state" sounds intelligent? The term came from Turkey and Atatürk and the concepts are studied pretty thoroughly at the university level. Knowing the history and academic study of it may not require an extraordinary amount of intelligence, but it does require a level of historical and political knowledge that most people lack. Does it "sound” intelligent? I don’t really care. It is what it is. Some people go on lunatic rankings about grand conspiracies while other people understand that the bureaucracy does have its own agenda.
June 4, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, TEW said: Comey was part of his cabinet too... I mean, look, you can debate the power and influence and coordination of "the deep state” but by the literal dictionary definition, the military brass is a big part of it: deep state noun noun: deep state; plural noun: deep states a body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy. The Koch brothers are the deep state you fear... yet you adore them. Ironic isn’t it?
June 4, 20205 yr Just now, MidMoFo said: The Koch brothers are the deep state you fear... yet you adore them. Ironic isn’t it? The Koch brothers have never held a government job in their lives. They've done a lot of good on the economic front, a lot of bad on the immigration front.
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