June 9, 20205 yr 58 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Because there is no nuance to this. You don't push old people, because they fall easily and hurt themselves. MOST of them fall over like a 6 year old and trip themselves. They fall in the shower FFS. Your argument is bonkers, you don't hit women or children or push old people, they are frail and that's exactly what is going to happen. You’re wrong dude. I agree you don’t push old people. How many times do I have to say it? A push is different then saying shooting someone right or maybe you see no difference.
June 9, 20205 yr 38 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: i don't think they were trying to push him over...but they did. now they have to live with the results of their actions. Exactly
June 9, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You’re wrong dude. I agree you don’t push old people. How many times do I have to say it? A push is different then saying shooting someone right or maybe you see no difference. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. The policeman used poor judgement and made an agressive action against an elderly man, sending him to the hospital. No he didn't kill him.
June 9, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: As the elderly are wont to do when pushed. I see your point man and I get that the conversations need to be more nuanced in general and careful (the falsely doxxed bike guy comes to mind), I just don't see this as a really significant detail in this particular case outside of maybe a court case. Agree to disagree though. Which detail are you thinking about?
June 9, 20205 yr Two things. First, once again Romney is the only GOP Senator with any courage: Second, the fact that we are even debating this is insane and a win for Trump. How hard was the shove? Did he fall on purpose? It's not as bad as... STOP FALLING FOR THE PARLOR TRICKS AND IGNORE THE SHINY OBJECT. The cops knocked down a 75 year old man. That's it, that's what happened. Instead of going over it like the Zapruder film, let's get back to focusing on what's important -- the dangerously incompetent cretin occupying the Oval Office.
June 9, 20205 yr Man, I am staying out of this one. The conversation is as emotional as it is retarded.
June 9, 20205 yr Just now, paco said: Man, I am staying out of this one. The conversation is as emotional as it is retarded. You think you can stay out of this?!?! IF YOU DON'T PICK THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS ISSUE YOU'RE JUST TACITLY ENDORSING THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ISSUE! WHICH IS WHATEVER SIDE I'M AGAINST!
June 9, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Which detail are you thinking about? The detail I'm referring to? Him stumbling after being pushed. The details I find much more significant? The combination of stupid and overly-aggressive behaviour that led the cop to show an old man. I recognize they're both true, but I don't consider them remotely at the same level of significance.
June 9, 20205 yr Any explanation to what happened after the 75 y/o man was assaulted? Why did all the cops ignore the injured man, one of them even pulled another cop away who thought about helping him. It looked like a couple men from the National Guard to help him out after several cops walked right past him.
June 9, 20205 yr 35 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: I don't understand the point you are trying to make. The policeman used poor judgement and made an agressive action against an elderly man, sending him to the hospital. No he didn't kill him. Eating birthday dinner with my 20 year old. I’ll answer later.
June 9, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Two things. First, once again Romney is the only GOP Senator with any courage: Second, the fact that we are even debating this is insane and a win for Trump. How hard was the shove? Did he fall on purpose? It's not as bad as... STOP FALLING FOR THE PARLOR TRICKS AND IGNORE THE SHINY OBJECT. The cops knocked down a 75 year old man. That's it, that's what happened. Instead of going over it like the Zapruder film, let's get back to focusing on what's important -- the dangerously incompetent cretin occupying the Oval Office. Refocusing on the Orange Bad Man. It is absolutely nuts that this guy, still freshly charred to a crisp from calling Corona a hoax, thinks it is a good idea to unleash this conspiracy about a 75 yr old hitting the pavement in the name of an anarchist organization. That's just...nuts. Even more nuts is when you loom at it from the mighty "5D chess" angle, what was he really trying to tell us? Oh yeah, that he's really seriously going to break up with Fox and OANN is his new GF.
June 9, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, paco said: Man, I am staying out of this one. The conversation is as emotional as it is retarded. It made its way to TATE. There is no escape.
June 9, 20205 yr FWIW Doc and I have been arguing about the intensity of the push since Sunday. I think we were both sober the whole time too. You see, we’re both rational and mature adults capable of having an intelligent conversation.
June 9, 20205 yr Cop could have moved him without the pushing. Sort of kills the intensity argument, and that I feel he did not have malice when he did it. He was just wrong, made a mistake, never push an elderly person. They will fall. End of story. Excuse me sir, I need to you to move over here, let me help you. See? Nothing ever goes as planned when in a moment such as we are, keep your heads on straight people.
June 9, 20205 yr 37 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Two things. First, once again Romney is the only GOP Senator with any courage: Second, the fact that we are even debating this is insane and a win for Trump. How hard was the shove? Did he fall on purpose? It's not as bad as... STOP FALLING FOR THE PARLOR TRICKS AND IGNORE THE SHINY OBJECT. The cops knocked down a 75 year old man. That's it, that's what happened. Instead of going over it like the Zapruder film, let's get back to focusing on what's important -- the dangerously incompetent cretin occupying the Oval Office. I glanced at this thread an hour ago, like "Sheesh. These people are even polarized about a 75 year old bleeding from his head. Everything's debatable now. Gravity is debatable." Anyway, you summed it up in a way that I was too lazy and cynical to devote effort to.
June 9, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Refocusing on the Orange Bad Man. It is absolutely nuts that this guy, still freshly charred to a crisp from calling Corona a hoax, thinks it is a good idea to unleash this conspiracy about a 75 yr old hitting the pavement in the name of an anarchist organization. That's just...nuts. Even more nuts is when you loom at it from the mighty "5D chess" angle, what was he really trying to tell us? Oh yeah, that he's really seriously going to break up with Fox and OANN is his new GF. The only "5D Chess" is by accident. He is so ridiculously incompetent and so horribly immoral that we got bombarded by his outrageous statements and actions. There's not enough time to focus on a singular action that for any other President would have been career ending -- by the time you discuss that, this cretin has done 4 more insane things. The media needs to slow down and focus on issues and stop falling for the bait as well. The Trump administration used force to move peaceful protesters out of Lafayette Square so that the President could have a photo op in front of a church. They violated people's Constitutional rights for a PHOTO OP because the President was mad for being called a wimp and going down to the bunker. This would have ruined any other President -- with Trump, it's a 24 hour story.
June 9, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The only "5D Chess" is by accident. He is so ridiculously incompetent and so horribly immoral that we got bombarded by his outrageous statements and actions. There's not enough time to focus on a singular action that for any other President would have been career ending -- by the time you discuss that, this cretin has done 4 more insane things. The media needs to slow down and focus on issues and stop falling for the bait as well. The Trump administration used force to move peaceful protesters out of Lafayette Square so that the President could have a photo op in front of a church. They violated people's Constitutional rights for a PHOTO OP because the President was mad for being called a wimp and going down to the bunker. This would have ruined any other President -- with Trump, it's a 24 hour story. If it's any consolence. I do not think calling Corona a hoax, telling us to inject lysol or the photo op debacle are going to be 24 hours stories. Those 3 have stuck and will continue to stick.
June 9, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The only "5D Chess" is by accident. He is so ridiculously incompetent and so horribly immoral that we got bombarded by his outrageous statements and actions. There's not enough time to focus on a singular action that for any other President would have been career ending -- by the time you discuss that, this cretin has done 4 more insane things. The media needs to slow down and focus on issues and stop falling for the bait as well. The Trump administration used force to move peaceful protesters out of Lafayette Square so that the President could have a photo op in front of a church. They violated people's Constitutional rights for a PHOTO OP because the President was mad for being called a wimp and going down to the bunker. This would have ruined any other President -- with Trump, it's a 24 hour story. He's found support from bad/immoral people that most other people haven't. Couple that support with people who hate liberals more than they love what they claim to represent and you've got enough support to win the presidency. Go figure it was that easy.
June 9, 20205 yr 42 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The only "5D Chess" is by accident. He is so ridiculously incompetent and so horribly immoral that we got bombarded by his outrageous statements and actions. There's not enough time to focus on a singular action that for any other President would have been career ending -- by the time you discuss that, this cretin has done 4 more insane things. The media needs to slow down and focus on issues and stop falling for the bait as well. The Trump administration used force to move peaceful protesters out of Lafayette Square so that the President could have a photo op in front of a church. They violated people's Constitutional rights for a PHOTO OP because the President was mad for being called a wimp and going down to the bunker. This would have ruined any other President -- with Trump, it's a 24 hour story. I forget who first said it, but I always thought "the bed of nails" analogy was an apt one.
June 9, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I forget who first said it, but I always thought "the bed of nail" analogy was an apt one. John Oliver I believe.
June 9, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: It made its way to TATE. There is no escape. Blacked out drunk. Getting blacked out drunk should do it.
June 9, 20205 yr 36 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Dang, even Ari Fleischer shot him down. OANN is the One America News Network. It isn't even a legitimate televised news network. They are a super PRO TRUMP internet show that puts Fox News' Trump loyalty to shame.
June 9, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: John Oliver I believe. You are correct. 5 minutes ago, paco said: Blacked out drunk. Getting blacked out drunk should do it. Couldn't hurt?
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