January 4, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Alphagrand said: "the voters must decide" This is by far the better option for the country long term. Beat him at the polls and then put him away thereafter. edit: I agree with convicting him as quickly as possible.
January 4, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: This is by far the better option for the country long term. Beat him at the polls and then put him away thereafter. Not practical, though. Trump now has most of the Republican Party behind him on The Big Lie. I don't think they have any intention of abiding by the vote unless it's tallied in their favor.
January 4, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: Not practical, though. Trump now has most of the Republican Party behind him on The Big Lie. I don't think they have any intention of abiding by the vote unless it's tallied in their favor. What makes you think they have any intention of abiding by whatever the courts say?
January 4, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: What makes you think they have any intention of abiding by whatever the courts say? LOL. It doesn't matter. If the courts decide he isnt eligible to hold office, he never will again.
January 4, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, barho said: LOL. It doesn't matter. If the courts decide he isnt eligible to hold office, he never will again. He won't if he loses the election either, just like last time. Really no difference assuming he were to lose.
January 4, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: What makes you think they have any intention of abiding by whatever the courts say? The Supreme Court is the final arbiter; there's nowhere else for them to cry to. Anything they do contrary to a Supreme Court ruling is criminal by definition (at least it's supposed to be). When Gore lost Florida by 537 votes (or whatever it was) he had a legal right to the recount. The trouble started when they began arguing and litigating what the voting cards actually meant (hanging chads, etc.), which IMO was driving too far into the minutiae. Once the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor, that was the end of it -- even though many saw it as a partisan vote along party lines from the Justices of that time. Gore as outgoing VP had the constitutional obligation to certify the electoral college votes, which he did -- on January 6, 2001 btw -- to give up his chance at the presidency. He actually overruled objections during the certification, because that's what the law and constitution dictated he do. Sadly, times have changed. VP Mike Pence says he did what the constitution told him he had to do. I think he did what his lawyers correctly advised him to do, to stay out of the legal jeopardy Trump is now in.
January 4, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: The Supreme Court is the final arbiter; there's nowhere else for them to cry to. Anything they do contrary to a Supreme Court ruling is criminal by definition (at least it's supposed to be). When Gore lost Florida by 537 votes (or whatever it was) he had a legal right to the recount. The trouble started when they began arguing and litigating what the voting cards actually meant (hanging chads, etc.), which IMO was driving too far into the minutiae. Once the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor, that was the end of it -- even though many saw it as a partisan vote along party lines from the Justices of that time. Gore as outgoing VP had the constitutional obligation to certify the electoral college votes, which he did -- on January 6, 2001 btw -- to give up his chance at the presidency. He actually overruled objections during the certification, because that's what the law and constitution dictated he do. Sadly, times have changed. VP Mike Pence says he did what the constitution told him he had to do. I think he did what his lawyers correctly advised him to do, to stay out of the legal jeopardy Trump is now in. Sure but it won't be any different whether he loses the election or if they keep him off the ballot. If they are going to abide by SCOTUS then they will do so either way.
January 4, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, DrPhilly said: This is by far the better option for the country long term. Beat him at the polls and then put him away thereafter. We already did that and they tried to put in phony electors and find fake ballots.
January 4, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, Gannan said: We already did that and they tried to put in phony electors and find fake ballots. Yes and he was kept out of office. edit: Trifecta - He loses the election, is convicted of insurrection, and we don’t have the lingering stain of using the legal system to neuter political opponents. Win win win.
January 4, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Alphagrand said: VP Mike Pence says he did what the constitution told him he had to do. Only after he asked Dan Quayle what to do.
January 4, 20241 yr 49 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: the lingering stain of using the legal system to neuter political opponents. Criminals, DrDumbAss. We use the legal system to neuter criminals. You don't need to both sides literally everything. Trump is a criminal and is now facing the legal consequences of his criminal actions. Stop framing this like it's a political hit job instead of actual justice finally being served.
January 4, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Only after he asked Dan Quayle what to do. Not exactly a master of debate. He served up the worst softball on a tee in the history of political debates
January 5, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: This time. "Help! Police! This criminal just tried to murder me! Can you arrest him immediately?" "Umm clearly you're still alive, what are you so upset about?" "Wait, what? I'm upset because he tried to F'in kill me! And you're just gonna let him go scott free?" "Well, we checked his voter registration and it turns out he's your political opponent, so the optics wouldn't be so great if we arrested him, now would it?"
January 5, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Yes and he was kept out of office. edit: Trifecta - He loses the election, is convicted of insurrection, and we don’t have the lingering stain of using the legal system to neuter political opponents. Win win win. Welp, pretty sure this will be the dumbest thing I'll read today.
January 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Paul852 said: Welp, pretty sure this will be the dumbest thing I'll read today. How is that dumber than any other Dr. Philly post? Not sure how many times he actually posted today, but c’mon
January 5, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: "Help! Police! This criminal just tried to murder me! Can you arrest him immediately?" "Umm clearly you're still alive, what are you so upset about?" "Wait, what? I'm upset because he tried to F'in kill me! And you're just gonna let him go scott free?" "Well, we checked his voter registration and it turns out he's your political opponent, so the optics wouldn't be so great if we arrested him, now would it?" Trump has Dr. Philly so pussified that he thinks we shouldn’t have laws anymore.
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