July 30, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: That Christians need to get out and vote this time around and Trump will fix everything. Christians don't usually vote according to Trump. ahh, fix everything. He's finally honing in on those specific policies I see.
July 30, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, Procus said: No - but I think you will find that most observant Christians and Jews support Trump. Generally, religiously observant Christians and Jews support the Republican candidate. Sure for a lot of Christians, Trump said what he did. I have no idea if it is accurate or not AND it doesn't mean anything in terms of what he intends to do or not.
July 30, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: ahh, fix everything. He's finally honing in on those specific policies I see. Same as it ever was
July 30, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, Procus said: No - but I think you will find that most observant Christians and Jews support Trump. Generally, religiously observant Christians and Jews support the Republican candidate. Wrong. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/ Quote Seven-in-ten Jewish adults identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, and half describe their political views as liberal. This general inclination toward the Democratic Party and liberal values goes hand-in-hand with disapproval of former Republican President Donald Trump. As for Christians, it depends. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/ Quote The latest Pew Research Center survey finds that most registered voters who are White Christians would vote for Republican Donald Trump over Democrat Joe Biden if the 2024 presidential election were held today. In stark contrast, most registered voters who are Black Protestants or religious "nones” – those who self-identify as atheists, agnostics or "nothing in particular” – would vote for Biden over Trump.
July 30, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Same as it ever was I dunno man, '16 Trump had some core policies that were vague but they were discernable policies. Dump NAFTA, tax China, build a wall, drain the swamp, supreme court picks. 2020 had less of it and 2024 has almost nothing that is recognizable as a concrete policy action. Fix everything is basically as far as it goes and that was fine against Biden who couldn't string a sentence but now here comes Kamala and and low and behold she's got specific policies she's running on. Federal abortion rights, union laws, SC rails, protecting health care. Trump campaign is getting hit by a bus imo.
July 30, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said: I dunno man, '16 Trump had some core policies that were vague but they were discernable policies. Dump NAFTA, tax China, build a wall, drain the swamp, supreme court picks. 2020 had less of it and 2024 has almost nothing that is recognizable as a concrete policy action. Fix everything is basically as far as it goes and that was fine against Biden who couldn't string a sentence but now here comes Kamala and and low and behold she's got specific policies she's running on. Federal abortion rights, union laws, SC rails, protecting health care. Trump campaign is getting hit by a bus imo. Ok, my point was that he basically accomplished nothing but yeah, he did have more concrete campaign promises on policy. He did tax China yes. As for the court picks, any 3rd grader could have done that.
July 30, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Next_Up said: I don't like the "weird" thing. Maybe okay just for Vance but wholesale labeling is a tool of the Right and will accomplish nothing other than further entrenching "us vs. them" America. Attach the issues, attack the hypocrisy, attack Project 2025, its all on the table. To reduce the platform to labels is to play their game. IMHO I get what you're saying. Ideally it's not the right approach. At the same time you have to be on offense all the time with Trumptards. This isn't about winning voters, it's about exposing the stupidity of Trump and the MAGAtards to the more moderate right leaning types that have brains but are inclined to vote Trump because they don't think Dems are an option. It's more to depress turnout on the right by driving home just what level of crazy relative normies are getting into bed with.
July 30, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Ok, my point was that he basically accomplished nothing but yeah, he did have more concrete campaign promises on policy. He did tax China yes. As for the court picks, any 3rd grader could have done that. Right, I'm not talking about what he actually did. I'm just talking about his successful winning '16 campaign and how it did have a lot more substance than it was given credit for and that's why he pulled off that upset. In '24 there is zero substance, nothing , nada. I'm gonna fix it don't ask me how or even what it is (except immigration, which we assume will be something horrifyingly gratuitous in scope and cruelty). He's gotten by for so long on smoke it's created a blind spot where some old fashioned well spoken popular policies could have him swimming upstream in a real hurry to counter. I mean i guess he's got some quacky thinking out loud stuff going on about Bitcoin reserves, eliminating dept of Education, eliminating tax code and Federal reserve, extracting oil reserves, but none of that is kitchen table, it's all huffle puffle hand of God crap.
July 30, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, Procus said: No - but I think you will find that most observant Christians and Jews support Trump. Generally, religiously observant Christians and Jews support the Republican candidate. Religious Jews absolutely do not support Trump. That's absurd. I swear most of what you say is pulled out of your a$$.
July 30, 20241 yr Trump has no actual core beliefs, benchmark policies or any kind of governing philosophy of any kind at this point, if he ever did. His only core tenet is winning the election -- he will do or say anything he has to in order to win. If Trump knew that granting citizenship to every illegal would get him back in the oval office, he'd announce it tomorrow. He has neither the intelligence nor the moral conviction to have an actual governing philosophy. Attacking and debating Trump on policy is a useless effort because he'll just take a new position at any moment -- see his latest about face on crypto as he seeks votes. The way to beat Trump is to accept that (i) his cult will never leave him and (ii) his cult isn't large enough to win if there is enthusiasm on the Democratic side. And the one truly unifying idea for Democrats is...Trump sucks and must be stopped. Taking policy positions will only fracture the non-Trump vote -- too pro-Israel, and you lose the far left. Too pro union and you risk the wealthy, college educated voters. It's not going to be high brow, but the way to win is simple -- just mock Trump relentlessly and remind people how objectionable he is. And call him out. When he invariably calls Harris dumb at a debate, challenge him to an IQ test that will be live streamed on the internet. When he claims she is weak on crime, say you'd definitely put him in jail for the maximum sentence with no bail. Trump has lowered the bar to the point that it is all bread and circuses. Stop trying to talk about policy and play the actual game that is being staged.
July 30, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, toolg said: Wrong. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/ As for Christians, it depends. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/ i don't man, you want me to believe actual research vs internet chatter?
July 30, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Trump has lowered the bar to the point that it is all bread and circuses. Stop trying to talk about policy and play the actual game that is being staged. Yes with the one thing that will stick is to just throw the phrase "Project 2025" around. The content matters not. It is just a slogan but easily made into a negative one.
July 30, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: i don't man, you want me to believe actual research vs internet chatter? Yes. Procus is speaking out his arse about something he might have overheard someone say once but doesn't fully understand. There are 2 tiny religious sub-groups who are seemingly pro-Trump: white Evangelicals and Orthodox Jews. But that leaves out 90% of the Jewish population and many more Christians. His disqualifiers are "I think" and whatever his definition of "observant" is. 1 hour ago, Procus said: No - but I think you will find that most observant Christians and Jews support Trump. Generally, religiously observant Christians and Jews support the Republican candidate.
July 30, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Yes with the one thing that will stick is to just throw the phrase "Project 2025" around. The content matters not. It is just a slogan but easily made into a negative one. Project 2025 isn't just a boogeyman. https://www.project2025.org/ Speaking of Project 2025, there is big news. Head of Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 steps down
July 30, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, toolg said: Wrong. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/ As for Christians, it depends. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/ Reform and conservative Jews are not considered observant in the Orthodox communities and among Israelis - even if they go to synagogue periodically. As for Christians, those who frequent church every Sunday are much more likely to vote Republican than those who do not.
July 30, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Procus said: Reform and conservative Jews are not considered observant in the Orthodox communities and among Israelis - even if they go to synagogue periodically. As for Christians, those who frequent church every Sunday are much more likely to vote Republican than those who do not. Please. Here is the exit poll number from 2020 I posted above that shows observant white Protestants were more likely to be Biden voters than those who attend less frequently.
July 30, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, toolg said: Project 2025 isn't just a boogeyman. https://www.project2025.org/ Speaking of Project 2025, there is big news. Head of Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 steps down Oh I know. I read that website a while back. What I mean is that the policies aren’t necessary to attack to get value. Just attack using the "slogan obviously bad” technique. Same tactic Trump uses all the time.
July 30, 20241 yr 56 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Trump has no actual core beliefs, benchmark policies or any kind of governing philosophy of any kind at this point, if he ever did. His only core tenet is winning the election -- he will do or say anything he has to in order to win. If Trump knew that granting citizenship to every illegal would get him back in the oval office, he'd announce it tomorrow. He has neither the intelligence nor the moral conviction to have an actual governing philosophy. Attacking and debating Trump on policy is a useless effort because he'll just take a new position at any moment -- see his latest about face on crypto as he seeks votes. The way to beat Trump is to accept that (i) his cult will never leave him and (ii) his cult isn't large enough to win if there is enthusiasm on the Democratic side. And the one truly unifying idea for Democrats is...Trump sucks and must be stopped. Taking policy positions will only fracture the non-Trump vote -- too pro-Israel, and you lose the far left. Too pro union and you risk the wealthy, college educated voters. It's not going to be high brow, but the way to win is simple -- just mock Trump relentlessly and remind people how objectionable he is. And call him out. When he invariably calls Harris dumb at a debate, challenge him to an IQ test that will be live streamed on the internet. When he claims she is weak on crime, say you'd definitely put him in jail for the maximum sentence with no bail. Trump has lowered the bar to the point that it is all bread and circuses. Stop trying to talk about policy and play the actual game that is being staged. tl;dr: Trump and maga are dumb weirdos
July 30, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, toolg said: Project 2025 isn't just a boogeyman. https://www.project2025.org/ Speaking of Project 2025, there is big news. Head of Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 steps down More Project 2025 News today!
July 30, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Procus said: How many $$$ signs were put in the replies? Because that's the one and only reason -- and he's not doing it for you or anyone else but himself.
July 30, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Procus said: No - but I think you will find that most observant Christians and Jews support Trump. Generally, religiously observant Christians and Jews support the Republican candidate. Nothing says observant of Christianity and Juddaism like voting for a serial cheater, convicted rapist and felon who told his nephew to let his disabled son die
July 30, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Religious Jews absolutely do not support Trump. That's absurd. I swear most of what you say is pulled out of your a$$. He clearly said "observant". That qualifier means we can disregard the reported data and make-up our own sub-data set, where the obvious qualifier for being "observant" is whether you suypport the modern day saviour sent down by God to save America, Donald 'the conviceted felon' Trump.
July 31, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, kiwieagle said: Nothing says observant of Christianity and Juddaism like voting for a serial cheater, convicted rapist and felon who told his nephew to let his disabled son die That post epitomizes what is happening today in politics. Demonize the opponent. Here's a newsflash - most of those people who rise to the top in the political arena are scumbags and sharks. You can say plenty of bad things about both Trump and Harris. Ask yourself this - whose policies are better for the country and who is more likely to oversee a competent administration?
July 31, 20241 yr Just now, Procus said: Ask yourself this - whose policies are better for the country and who is more likely to oversee a competent administration? Harris. Next question.
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