31 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Lloyd, have you seen Steve Schmidt talk about this stuff on tv recently?  Because you sound just like him. 

Ha. No, but I'll look it up.

On 7/4/2020 at 9:32 PM, mayanh8 said:

2 days later and I still cant stop laughing at this.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

All this sports talk is just reminding me of how we can't enjoy sports until our government finds a way to stop the tidal wave of coronavirus sweeping through the country.

 Is that what he's going for?

7 hours ago, Smokesdawg said:

Funny... I see a lot more Biden signs in my neighborhood than Trump signs and I see way less Trump signs than I did in 2016. People wanted an experiment in 2016. It is clear that the experiment is over. 

Find out in five months. Just like the last election.

7 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

This is what he's concerned with....this is our president while in the middle of a pandemic.

There is a quite active debate now within my high school about our team name which is "Indians".  Most of this is played out on FB.  I'm being very cautious there but of course there are ridiculous posts from the sides (both).  This isn't a new topic.  It has been around for almost 10 years.

One interesting tidbit in this particular situation is that there was a communication between the school and the descendants of the local tribe a few years ago and a bit of a compromise was reached.  That has been conveniently forgotten of course.  So the louder types pushing for the change have succeeded in taking away the tribe's voice.  Too Fing funny.

Note: The compromise was no use of caricatures, no physical mascot, no use of emblems with headdress/tomahawk, no war chants, feather in the logo is ok, name of "Indians" is also ok.  This has been executed as I understand it.  An open board meeting is coming up with this being the main point on the agenda.  There was one like it a few years ago which was pretty stormy but this one is going to be a full on sheet show.

 

My bet is the name will change now.  I'm ok with that though I'd prefer a solution with the national group from the tribe if there is one out there.  If not then so be it.  I'd rather it not be up to a handful of student activists none of whom are of Indian descent (far as I've been told).

7 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Find out in five months. Just like the last election.

Yes indeed and I agree there is time and a puncher's chance.  One thing though is this is NOT 2016.  You guys aren't seeing reality if you think it is the same situation.  It is FAR FAR from the situation in 2016.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Yes indeed and I agree there is time and a puncher's chance.  One thing though is this is NOT 2016.  You guys aren't seeing reality if you think it is the same situation.  It is FAR FAR from the situation in 2016.

Funny thing is, he's running 2016's campaign again. Liberals are coming for...i dunno...some cultural stuff Trump never gave a crap about. Brown people are invading. And coronavirus doesn't exist. So, uhh, vote for Trump — because whatever he complained about four years ago, he still hasn't solved. 

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There is a quite active debate now within my high school about our team name which is "Indians".  Most of this is played out on FB.  I'm being very cautious there but of course there are ridiculous posts from the sides (both).  This isn't a new topic.  It has been around for almost 10 years.

One interesting tidbit in this particular situation is that there was a communication between the school and the descendants of the local tribe a few years ago and a bit of a compromise was reached.  That has been conveniently forgotten of course.  So the louder types pushing for the change have succeeded in taking away the tribe's voice.  Too Fing funny.

Note: The compromise was no use of caricatures, no physical mascot, no use of emblems with headdress/tomahawk, no war chants, feather in the logo is ok, name of "Indians" is also ok.  This has been executed as I understand it.  An open board meeting is coming up with this being the main point on the agenda.  There was one like it a few years ago which was pretty stormy but this one is going to be a full on sheet show.

 

My bet is the name will change now.  I'm ok with that though I'd prefer a solution with the national group from the tribe if there is one out there.  If not then so be it.  I'd rather it not be up to a handful of student activists none of whom are of Indian descent (far as I've been told).

Of all the things going on in the world, sports team names is like #4,000 on the list.  And I'm not Native, so maybe I should just STFU, but I could see a team being called the "Aztecs" or the Cherokee, the Crow, etc...because it's just kind of a callback to the people who originally inhabited that land. But "Indians" just feels like a celebration of calling people the wrong name because you thought you landed on an entirely different continent . I'm not clutching pearls, as I just don't have the energy for this...so take it as more of a funny observation than a political stance.  

7 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

Funny thing is, he's running 2016's campaign again. Liberals are coming for...i dunno...some cultural stuff Trump never gave a crap about. Brown people are invading. And coronavirus doesn't exist. So, uhh, vote for Trump — because whatever he complained about four years ago, he still hasn't solved. 

In fact, he's just made things much much worse.

6 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

So, uhh, vote for Trump — because whatever he complained about four years ago, he still hasn't solved. 

Transition to greatness!!!

Remember back when the slogan was "Keep America Great"?

16 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There is a quite active debate now within my high school about our team name which is "Indians".  Most of this is played out on FB.  I'm being very cautious there but of course there are ridiculous posts from the sides (both).  This isn't a new topic.  It has been around for almost 10 years.

One interesting tidbit in this particular situation is that there was a communication between the school and the descendants of the local tribe a few years ago and a bit of a compromise was reached.  That has been conveniently forgotten of course.  So the louder types pushing for the change have succeeded in taking away the tribe's voice.  Too Fing funny.

Note: The compromise was no use of caricatures, no physical mascot, no use of emblems with headdress/tomahawk, no war chants, feather in the logo is ok, name of "Indians" is also ok.  This has been executed as I understand it.  An open board meeting is coming up with this being the main point on the agenda.  There was one like it a few years ago which was pretty stormy but this one is going to be a full on sheet show.

 

My bet is the name will change now.  I'm ok with that though I'd prefer a solution with the national group from the tribe if there is one out there.  If not then so be it.  I'd rather it not be up to a handful of student activists none of whom are of Indian descent (far as I've been told).

Yeah, the Robert E. Lee High School Indians are in quite the pickle right now.

3 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

Of all the things going on in the world, sports team names is like #4,000 on the list.  And I'm not Native, so maybe I should just STFU, but I could see a team being called the "Aztecs" or the Cherokee, the Crow, etc...because it's just kind of a callback to the people who originally inhabited that land. But "Indians" just feels like a celebration of calling people the wrong name because you thought you landed on an entirely different continent . I'm not clutching pearls, as I just don't have the energy for this...so take it as more of a funny observation than a political stance.  

Well it is driven by the actual students at the school none of whom are Indian.  I'm fine with changing the name.  What I'm not ok with is the students thinking the only voice that matters is their voice.  The actual Indians are the obvious voice plus everyone else like the future students, alumni, and community.  We aren't doing the students any favor by simply bowing down to their demands even if they are legit.  There should be a proper process with actual discussion, real critical analysis, etc.  It is the smug "we know better so shut up boomer (and all other generations not currently in high school)" that isn't helping anyone.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Well it is driven by the actual students at the school none of whom are Indian.  I'm fine with changing the name.  What I'm not ok with is the students thinking the only voice that matters is their voice.  The actual Indians are the obvious voice plus everyone else like the future students, alumni, and community.  We aren't doing the students any favor by simply bowing down to their demands even if they are legit.  There should be a proper process with actual discussion, real critical analysis, etc.  It is the smug "we know better so shut up boomer (and all other generations not currently in high school)" that isn't helping anyone.

Has there ever been an Indian student?

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Yeah, the Robert E. Lee High School Indians are in quite the pickle right now.

Wonder if there is a school that actually has that setup.  That'd be something.

Just now, Paul852 said:

Has there ever been an Indian student?

You mean like ever?  I'd think so.

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Remember back when the slogan was "Keep America Great"?

I like how it's gone back to MAGA.  I take that as an admission.  Do you think I'm correct in doing so??

Just now, Dave Moss said:

I like how it's gone back to MAGA.  I take that as an admission.  Do you think I'm correct in doing so??

Even Trump is smart enough to realize how ridiculous "Keep America Great" was. I saw someone with that bumper sticker this weekend and thought it was absurd.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Wonder if there is a school that actually has that setup.  That'd be something.

Not sure, but I'm guessing there has to be at least one.  Indians is a pretty popular mascot name.  

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Not sure, but I'm guessing there has to be at least one.  Indians is a pretty popular mascot name.  

I know there is a Robert E. Lee high school in Northern Virginia somewhere.  I'll look that one up...

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

 

You mean like ever?  I'd think so.

Maybe the kids just want a school name they can identify with. Like Vikings or Phantoms!

Just now, DrPhilly said:

I know there is a Robert E. Lee high school in Northern Virginia somewhere.  I'll look that one up...

The Lancers.  Turns out they have just voted to change the school's name starting in the new school year.  A July board meeting is setup to discuss the matter.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

Maybe the kids just want a school name they can identify with. Like Vikings or Phantoms!

That's fine but the current kids are only there for a few years.  There are others to think about like the kids on the way, community, administration/teachers, alumni etc.  It isn't like the current crop of kids can just change the name willy nilly whenever they want to.