April 6, 20214 yr the success of any coach here is going to come down to whether or not they are truly the head coach, or if they are puppets to Lurie/Roseman. If it's the former, we have a fighting chance. If it's the latter, it will be one hell of an obstacle to overcome.
April 6, 20214 yr On 4/4/2021 at 12:56 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Chip didn't leave the team lacking talent. He just wasn't a very good nfl coach as he didn't like big personalities and didn't adjust his scheme at all. The team had talent, it certainly had foundational talent. Interestingly, this team still has the same foundational talent. Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson, Ertz. Chip left us Jenkins, and Hicks, but also left us with Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonzo, Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray, Ryan Mathews, Jordan Matthews, to name a few. Our current team has Goedert, Sanders, Brooks, Hargrave, Slay, Reagor and young improving talent like Mailata, Herbig, Sweat. Anyway, I agree with those that believe fans are undervaluing the players we have. This team has talent --- we just underperformed in 2020. Something changed about Doug Pederson last season. You could see it in his pressers, in his eyes. He didn't appear to want to be here (there) and everybody could see it. The team performed as you would expect for a coach that was mentally drained. We came out unprepared and failed to adjust ... again ... and again ... and again ...
April 6, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, brkmsn said: Interestingly, this team still has the same foundational talent. Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson, Ertz. Chip left us Jenkins, and Hicks, but also left us with Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonzo, Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray, Ryan Mathews, Jordan Matthews, to name a few. Our current team has Goedert, Sanders, Brooks, Hargrave, Slay, Reagor and young improving talent like Mailata, Herbig, Sweat. Anyway, I agree with those that believe fans are undervaluing the players we have. This team has talent --- we just underperformed in 2020. Something changed about Doug Pederson last season. You could see it in his pressers, in his eyes. He didn't appear to want to be here (there) and everybody could see it. The team performed as you would expect for a coach that was mentally drained. We came out unprepared and failed to adjust ... again ... and again ... and again ... This is going to be the true test. A willingness and talent for week to week/in-game adjustments is the mark of a good coach. It conveys confidence and command. If he shows proficiency in this area, I will be excited about our future (even if we lose more than we win). Adjustments which keep us competitive are going to be one litmus test for me this upcoming year.
April 7, 20214 yr 19 hours ago, brkmsn said: Interestingly, this team still has the same foundational talent. Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson, Ertz. Chip left us Jenkins, and Hicks, but also left us with Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonzo, Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray, Ryan Mathews, Jordan Matthews, to name a few. Our current team has Goedert, Sanders, Brooks, Hargrave, Slay, Reagor and young improving talent like Mailata, Herbig, Sweat. Anyway, I agree with those that believe fans are undervaluing the players we have. This team has talent --- we just underperformed in 2020. Something changed about Doug Pederson last season. You could see it in his pressers, in his eyes. He didn't appear to want to be here (there) and everybody could see it. The team performed as you would expect for a coach that was mentally drained. We came out unprepared and failed to adjust ... again ... and again ... and again ... Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson all what 4 years older now? Cox who has shown signs of decline the last couple of years, Lane with injury issues? Sure we have Goedert but did he step in to the role as #1 TE last year? Not really, not in the way that we hoped. Slay struggled at times last year and is now another year older. Our secondary is a complete mess right now lets be honest and we really don't know what we have in Reagor. Sure we may have a real player there as he did flash last year but he also struggled so we will have to see there. I just think going in to this year, as things stand now, we are worse than we were going in to last year. And there were many of us who saw potential signs of struggle going in to last year and were proven to be correct there.
April 7, 20214 yr I thought coach looked pretty fired up on the video I saw yesterday when he was going over game tape and discussing offensive concepts with Fran Duffy. Hopefully that energy infects the locker room for the practices and games. I don't care about the press conferences at all. I actually prefer the Andy Reid style let's discuss injuries then times yours with simple non informational answers.
April 7, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson all what 4 years older now? Cox who has shown signs of decline the last couple of years, Lane with injury issues? Sure we have Goedert but did he step in to the role as #1 TE last year? Not really, not in the way that we hoped. Slay struggled at times last year and is now another year older. Our secondary is a complete mess right now lets be honest and we really don't know what we have in Reagor. Sure we may have a real player there as he did flash last year but he also struggled so we will have to see there. I just think going in to this year, as things stand now, we are worse than we were going in to last year. And there were many of us who saw potential signs of struggle going in to last year and were proven to be correct there. I'm not sure what "signs of decline" actually means to you, but Cox is still considered one of the best at his position in the NFL. The consensus has Aaron Donald ranked the top DT in the NFL and Cox not far behind. Donald is only 148 days younger than Cox who is "4 years older" than he was 4 years ago (shocking). Lane, btw, has been dealing with one injury issue. He tried to let his injured ankle heal naturally and it did not (at least not in time for the season). So he had a minor procedure done right before the season, and they had hoped it would allow him to make it through the season, but it did not. Now they addressed it properly and there's no word of any setbacks and he should be good to go. My advice to you is to stop worrying so much. People get hurt in football all the time. In a large majority of cases, they heal. I mean, if you can list me a few players that had to retire because of an ankle injury, I'm all ears. Our secondary is a complete mess? Slay (who aged a year over the last year (shocking)) is still a very good CB. He's still in his physical prime as a professional athlete. McLeod has to return from a knee injury and I haven't heard where he is currently in rehab, but when he returns, he's a solid starting safety. We just signed Harris and he's a good, experienced Safety that should be an upgrade over Mills (who I actually liked). Most people expect Maddox to be moved to slot where he projects to be most effective. The only real question is: Who is CB2? If the Eagles don't address this with a draft pick, then we will likely either trade for one or find a stop-gap. Jacquet has promise but I think he needs a couple seasons to fully develop. Right now, he's a liability to start. Anyway, I'd hardly call that a complete mess. We'll have to wait to see how soon McLeod returns, but we drafted Wallace last year and maybe he'll get an opportunity early to get some valuable experience. As far as Reagor goes, I think we have an idea what we have. The naysayers, of course, want you to believe last season proved he's a bust at worst or a wasted pick at best. Doug simply didn't use him properly when he was available. He should have been the PR the entire year (when active) and should have not been asked to move over to X in Jeffery's absence, but to remain at Z most of the time with the occasional rep at slot. At least we learned that Reagor is a faster than normal healer. I won't bother building him at this time just because I believe in him, But I'm not going to tear him down just because the Eagles had a terrible year last year.
April 8, 20214 yr FWIW, Reagor is a terrific punt returner, when he catches the ball. The dude bobbles and/or fumbles quite a few punts, going back to college.
April 8, 20214 yr 15 hours ago, brkmsn said: Our secondary is a complete mess? Slay (who aged a year over the last year (shocking)) is still a very good CB. He's still in his physical prime as a professional athlete. McLeod has to return from a knee injury and I haven't heard where he is currently in rehab, but when he returns, he's a solid starting safety. We just signed Harris and he's a good, experienced Safety that should be an upgrade over Mills (who I actually liked). Most people expect Maddox to be moved to slot where he projects to be most effective. The only real question is: Who is CB2? If the Eagles don't address this with a draft pick, then we will likely either trade for one or find a stop-gap. Jacquet has promise but I think he needs a couple seasons to fully develop. Right now, he's a liability to start. Anyway, I'd hardly call that a complete mess. We'll have to wait to see how soon McLeod returns, but we drafted Wallace last year and maybe he'll get an opportunity early to get some valuable experience. As far as Reagor goes, I think we have an idea what we have. The naysayers, of course, want you to believe last season proved he's a bust at worst or a wasted pick at best. Doug simply didn't use him properly when he was available. He should have been the PR the entire year (when active) and should have not been asked to move over to X in Jeffery's absence, but to remain at Z most of the time with the occasional rep at slot. At least we learned that Reagor is a faster than normal healer. I won't bother building him at this time just because I believe in him, But I'm not going to tear him down just because the Eagles had a terrible year last year. Yes our secondary is a mess. Slay was good last year but nothing more and when he went up against the better WRs in the league he struggled and they had their way with him. Right now who do we even project to start opposite him? As thing stand I'd say Maddox probably? But either way we agree that they need to address the position. If they draft a young corner in the first and then address the safety position a little later on (I think there is some talent there that may be available in those middle rounds) then suddenly the secondary has promise. But as things stand I will maintain that the secondary is a mess and it is not a good secondary. I'm certainly not declaring Reagor a bust. Yes there are those who want us to believe he is already but it is way too early. He flashed at times last year and he was more involved once Hurts got in as starter. Lets see what Sirianni can do with him. Sirianni comes in with a good reputation for getting the most out of his WRs so there is definitely hope there. But is Reagor a #1 WR? No I don't think so. We don't have a go to WR right now and that's an issue.
April 8, 20214 yr On 3/29/2021 at 7:34 PM, GoBirds52 said: Maybe this guy will turn into the best coach in Eagles history 🤣 and to be fair we haven't even seen a single practice yet with this guy. But based on what I have heard from him, I will hold my word and admit I'm wrong if this guy exceeds my expectations.... which are I give him 3 years tops and that's being nice. I expect a very tough season this year. A league high 11 picks this year to work with in the draft along with a potential 3 in the first round next year. We have no clue what his coaching philosophy will be and his offensive scheme. Sanders is my favorite Eagle and more often than not Doug has been killed for not running the ball enough. Sanders should have a huge year this season. I honestly don't think this guy knows what he got himself into here in Philly. He won't last long....not because of the team but because of the city of Philadelphia. I'll look back at this post down the road and admit I was wrong if this guy turns out to be better than what I think. I'm trying to stay optimistic and be fair and that's because we still have the draft and the team hasn't even taken the field yet under Sirianni. Utterly ridiculous........might be the stupidest "philly" fan post I've ever read. Knee jerk, overreactionary, void of facts, overly emotional......just a the typical drivel from the negadelphia philly fan........Sirianni has been signed for 2.5 months but this OP has already deemed him a failure.......without any OTAs, drafts, or roster decisions.....Just mind boggling stupid.
April 8, 20214 yr Anyone writing this guy off because of not being great in public speaking moments...did you ever actually listen to an Andy or Doug PC? Not exactly master orators either. Hell, Bill B doesn't even speak in his PC's and is revered as the greatest coach of all time. I for one will refrain from judging a football coach until after they actually, well, COACH for a bit.
April 9, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Slay was good last year but nothing more and when he went up against the better WRs in the league he struggled and they had their way with him. Slay had 2 "bad" games last year. He didn't only face 2 good WRs. In those 2 games, his coverage wasn't bad, but great players made plays and had great games. You're conveniently forgetting a lot to drive home a chicken-little narrative. Slay is fine. Mcleod is fine when he returns. Harris is fine. Maddox, at the very least is serviceable as the slot corner and that leave us needing to figure out who the other guy will be on the outside. Most people expect the Eagles to use one of their first 2 draft picks on a prospect. There's still plenty of time after that to see who is available before the season begins as rosters are trimmed and players can be signed for cheap. The sky isn't falling.
April 9, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, brkmsn said: The sky isn't falling. And that's fine that's your opinion that this roster isn't all this bad. And it is my opinion that it is a bad roster and a flawed team. And I had these concerns last year and I see nothing right now to think this team is going to be any better going in to this year. They may surprise me, I hope they do! But that's my view as things stand. We have a bad GM, we have a roster that lacks top talent and we have a rookie HC who we don't know how he's going to do in the role.
April 9, 20214 yr On 4/6/2021 at 1:17 PM, brkmsn said: Interestingly, this team still has the same foundational talent. Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson, Ertz. Chip left us Jenkins, and Hicks, but also left us with Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonzo, Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray, Ryan Mathews, Jordan Matthews, to name a few. Our current team has Goedert, Sanders, Brooks, Hargrave, Slay, Reagor and young improving talent like Mailata, Herbig, Sweat. Anyway, I agree with those that believe fans are undervaluing the players we have. This team has talent --- we just underperformed in 2020. Something changed about Doug Pederson last season. You could see it in his pressers, in his eyes. He didn't appear to want to be here (there) and everybody could see it. The team performed as you would expect for a coach that was mentally drained. We came out unprepared and failed to adjust ... again ... and again ... and again ... Oh yeah Demarco Murray who went for 1287 yards the year after, Sam Bradford who threw 71% completion, 3877 yards 20 TD's and 5 picks playing a full season for the Vikes the year after, Kiko Alonso who started at linebacker for Miami the next 3 years, putting up numbers which make him at least as good as anyone we had over the same period.
April 9, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Oh yeah Demarco Murray who went for 1287 yards the year after, Sam Bradford who threw 71% completion, 3877 yards 20 TD's and 5 picks playing a full season for the Vikes the year after, Kiko Alonso who started at linebacker for Miami the next 3 years, putting up numbers which make him at least as good as anyone we had over the same period. 2 years after dumping those contracts on Miami (and moving from #13 to #8) and the Titans (moved up 13 spots in the 4th rd) and a year after getting a 1st for Bradford, the Eagles did this:
April 9, 20214 yr But that wasn't your point was it, your point was Doug was left with a load of bums, which he wasn't, hell even Jordan Matthews was only 3 yards shy of going over 1000yards in 2015 and had 16 TD's across his first 2 seasons.
April 9, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: And that's fine that's your opinion that this roster isn't all this bad. And it is my opinion that it is a bad roster and a flawed team. And I had these concerns last year and I see nothing right now to think this team is going to be any better going in to this year. They may surprise me, I hope they do! But that's my view as things stand. We have a bad GM, we have a roster that lacks top talent and we have a rookie HC who we don't know how he's going to do in the role. Barnett Cox Hargrave Graham Wilson Singleton Slay Maddox Jaquet Harris McLeod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fulgham Reagor Goedert Ward Mailata Seumalo Kelce Brooks Johnson Hurts Sanders Let's look at the starters right now, and it does look pretty decent even before the draft. I think it is very good we got veteran leadership all over the place. But it's really obvious we need another CB most and then a WR. I hope we draft one in the first round this year. We could do better at the slot positions (Ward, Maddox) but it's not terrible. Adding another safety would be good, but we got McLeod really cheap so there is that. Ultimately we will need young players for the lines, even though we'd be fine for this year. Especially a center to learn behind Kelce would be smart (Humphrey!)
April 9, 20214 yr 53 minutes ago, Infam said: Barnett Cox Hargrave Graham Wilson Singleton Slay Maddox Jaquet Harris McLeod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fulgham Reagor Goedert Ward Mailata Seumalo Kelce Brooks Johnson Hurts Sanders Let's look at the starters right now, and it does look pretty decent even before the draft. I think it is very good we got veteran leadership all over the place. But it's really obvious we need another CB most and then a WR. I hope we draft one in the first round this year. We could do better at the slot positions (Ward, Maddox) but it's not terrible. Adding another safety would be good, but we got McLeod really cheap so there is that. Ultimately we will need young players for the lines, even though we'd be fine for this year. Especially a center to learn behind Kelce would be smart (Humphrey!) I think you massively overrate Fulgham, if Fulgham is WR 1 or 2 we're doing nothing next year, he was a flash in the pan, I also think Ward is fine as WR3 slot guy he has decent hands and doesn't **** out of stuff over the middle in traffic, the problem with the WR corps is we have no outstanding #1 or #2, Reagor is nailed on to get a sophomore year to show why he was a 1st Rounder, if Eagles take a WR in the first two days I see Fulgham competing with Watkins and Hightower for #4 and #5 and for me Watkins has most upside of the 3 as a field stretching option.
April 9, 20214 yr 57 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I think you massively overrate Fulgham, if Fulgham is WR 1 or 2 we're doing nothing next year, he was a flash in the pan, I also think Ward is fine as WR3 slot guy he has decent hands and doesn't **** out of stuff over the middle in traffic, the problem with the WR corps is we have no outstanding #1 or #2, Reagor is nailed on to get a sophomore year to show why he was a 1st Rounder, if Eagles take a WR in the first two days I see Fulgham competing with Watkins and Hightower for #4 and #5 and for me Watkins has most upside of the 3 as a field stretching option. Think he highlighted Jaquet and Fulgham as the two weak pieces. And I 100% agree with him. Get me a Jaycee Horn and Terrace Marshall/Tylan Wallace there in place of Fulgham and I'm feeling much better.
April 9, 20214 yr I dont think the secondary will be as bad. My opinion alot of their issues were due to Schwartz's scheme which didnt always put them in good positions. Not saying they will be the Legion of Boom 2.0 but the secondary will be better.
April 9, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: But that wasn't your point was it, your point was Doug was left with a load of bums, which he wasn't, hell even Jordan Matthews was only 3 yards shy of going over 1000yards in 2015 and had 16 TD's across his first 2 seasons. My point was in the earlier reply --- we have the same "foundational talent" right now. The guys that stayed here after Chip left are still key players for us right now.
April 9, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I think you massively overrate Fulgham, if Fulgham is WR 1 or 2 we're doing nothing next year, he was a flash in the pan, I also think Ward is fine as WR3 slot guy he has decent hands and doesn't **** out of stuff over the middle in traffic, the problem with the WR corps is we have no outstanding #1 or #2, Reagor is nailed on to get a sophomore year to show why he was a 1st Rounder, if Eagles take a WR in the first two days I see Fulgham competing with Watkins and Hightower for #4 and #5 and for me Watkins has most upside of the 3 as a field stretching option. Like I said: "But it's really obvious we need another CB most and then a WR. I hope we draft one in the first round this year." So no, I don't overrate Fulgham. I think Fulgham and Jaquet are the most obvious holes we got right now. Just think the overall picture is not as bad as some say it is.
April 10, 20214 yr On 4/7/2021 at 4:18 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Graham, Cox, Kelce, Johnson all what 4 years older now? Cox who has shown signs of decline the last couple of years, Lane with injury issues? Sure we have Goedert but did he step in to the role as #1 TE last year? Not really, not in the way that we hoped. Slay struggled at times last year and is now another year older. Our secondary is a complete mess right now lets be honest and we really don't know what we have in Reagor. Sure we may have a real player there as he did flash last year but he also struggled so we will have to see there. I just think going in to this year, as things stand now, we are worse than we were going in to last year. And there were many of us who saw potential signs of struggle going in to last year and were proven to be correct there. Lane’s injury was due to a late surgery he tried to play on with it not fully healed. Overall when it comes to the defense we have to take a wait and see how they perform in a new system. I’m still not convinced Ertz will be playing for another team. Another year for some of the younger players to step up. I generally disagree with a lot of things that @brkmsn writes, but I do agree with him on Doug. He was coaching like a lame duck last year. Personally I think Doug quit mentally when they forced those coaching changes on him. In any case there are a lot of questions that need to be answered, but a lot of the Eagles problems were due to injuries, poor coaching, and poor quarterback play. If year two Hurts can be at least an average quarterback this is a much better football team.
April 10, 20214 yr 16 hours ago, Infam said: Let's look at the starters right now, and it does look pretty decent even before the draft. I think it is very good we got veteran leadership all over the place. But it's really obvious we need another CB most and then a WR. I hope we draft one in the first round this year. I just don't think that looks that great. I mean CB and WR are absolutely glaring holes in my opinion. We can't just hope that Fulgham and Jacquet are going to be good enough to start. And there are other areas of this team that are just "OK". Nothing more, nothing less. And so much rests on Hurts actually being good and we simply don't know which way that's going to go.
April 10, 20214 yr 15 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I just don't think that looks that great. I mean CB and WR are absolutely glaring holes in my opinion. We can't just hope that Fulgham and Jacquet are going to be good enough to start. And there are other areas of this team that are just "OK". Nothing more, nothing less. And so much rests on Hurts actually being good and we simply don't know which way that's going to go. But that is all I said. CB and WR are the most obvious needs, but the picture as a whole ain't all bad.
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