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Not a topic to discuss failing to address corner until the 4th round. That's done now.

But surely we need to sign a free agent corner. I don't care about "rebuilding year" You can't go into a season again with Maddox starting on the outside and a bunch of guys who aren't quite good enough to get on most teams practice squads behind him. Hurts looked bad when he was trying to chase the game against Dallas. Need to give our new DC against a chance of stopping somebody and getting the ball back.

So what we thinking - bring in a Josh Norman or Richard Sherman for a year and give them help over the top? Or would they be too expensive?

Or take a flyer on somebody like Breeland and hope he works out?

Also wouldn't mind re-signing LeBlanc to compete at nickel.

 

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Steven Nelson or Gareon Conley would be nice. 

Sign a guy to a 1-2 year deal, bring them in and just solidify the opposite side to Slay and try to get by. 

We aren't going to be contenders this year but we need to have enough pieces to be able to assess the new coaches.

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18 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Not a topic to discuss failing to address corner until the 4th round. That's done now.

But surely we need to sign a free agent corner. I don't care about "rebuilding year" You can't go into a season again with Maddox starting on the outside and a bunch of guys who aren't quite good enough to get on most teams practice squads behind him. Hurts looked bad when he was trying to chase the game against Dallas. Need to give our new DC against a chance of stopping somebody and getting the ball back.

So what we thinking - bring in a Josh Norman or Richard Sherman for a year and give them help over the top? Or would they be too expensive?

Or take a flyer on somebody like Breeland and hope he works out?

Also wouldn't mind re-signing LeBlanc to compete at nickel.

 

 

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Steven Nelson or Gareon Conley would be nice. 

Sign a guy to a 1-2 year deal, bring them in and just solidify the opposite side to Slay and try to get by. 

We aren't going to be contenders this year but we need to have enough pieces to be able to assess the new coaches.

Agreed completely with both of you. We need some sort of adequate starter level corner opposite of Slay. Otherwise there’s no point in even having Slay since QBs will just avoid his side and just throw easy completions to the other side as they did the majority of last year. One of Conley, Nelson, Sherman or Norman would be great as a stop gap and to help coach up the young guys. 
 

Unfortunately according to Adam Caplan’s podcast the team is apparently fully up against the cap limit, and may not even be able to sign all the rookies as it stands now. Even with some tweaking, I imagine it will be difficult to sign any more FAs. 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Unfortunately according to Adam Caplan’s podcast the team is apparently fully up against the cap limit, and may not even be able to sign all the rookies as it stands now. Even with some tweaking, I imagine it will be difficult to sign any more FAs. 

They'll cut Ertz and that'll sort that. 

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I went to the old site, PE dot com and watched Howie's post draft news conference.  He plans on making numerous additions to the roster before the season starts.  We will definitely bring in a vet CB or 2.  Maybe they trade Ertz for one?  This isn't the DB group we'll go to war with.  

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No need for good cover corners, we just need a monster D line and blitz on every play. Don't give the QB enough time to throw. 

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8 minutes ago, weko said:

I went to the old site, PE dot com and watched Howie's post draft news conference.  He plans on making numerous additions to the roster before the season starts.  We will definitely bring in a vet CB or 2.  Maybe they trade Ertz for one?  This isn't the DB group we'll go to war with.  

They won't be making any additions until they clear some cap room bud. But yeah I mean Howie likes to make moves and bring lots of guys in. 

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27 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They'll cut Ertz and that'll sort that. 

Plus we'll see an additional $4M in cap relief after June 1 (as part of using the post June 1 designations when releasing both Malik Jackson and Jeffery).  

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1 minute ago, time2rock said:

Plus we'll see an additional $4M in cap relief after June 1 (as part of using the post June 1 designations when releasing both Malik Jackson and Jeffery).  

Yeah that's true we shall. I mean look they will make the moves to free up cap room and bring in players there's very little doubt about that. 

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48 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They'll cut Ertz and that'll sort that. 

 

20 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Plus we'll see an additional $4M in cap relief after June 1 (as part of using the post June 1 designations when releasing both Malik Jackson and Jeffery).  

 

53 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

 

Agreed completely with both of you. We need some sort of adequate starter level corner opposite of Slay. Otherwise there’s no point in even having Slay since QBs will just avoid his side and just throw easy completions to the other side as they did the majority of last year. One of Conley, Nelson, Sherman or Norman would be great as a stop gap and to help coach up the young guys. 
 

Unfortunately according to Adam Caplan’s podcast the team is apparently fully up against the cap limit, and may not even be able to sign all the rookies as it stands now. Even with some tweaking, I imagine it will be difficult to sign any more FAs. 
 

 

Caplan is a clown - he's the one who claimed Ertz would definitely be traded by the end of the draft "for sure".

With the money freed up by Jeffery and Jackson, I think the Eagles have enough to sign draft picks and afford a corner on a reasonable deal.

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1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

Caplan is a clown - he's the one who claimed Ertz would definitely be traded by the end of the draft "for sure".

With the money freed up by Jeffery and Jackson, I think the Eagles have enough to sign draft picks and afford a corner on a reasonable deal.

Right now we are sitting with only $4.8M in cap space.  $4M more will come in a month.  If we trade or cut Ertz after June 1 we will see another $8.5M in cap relief for 2021 (but will also incur $4.2M in dead money).  

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52 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They'll cut Ertz and that'll sort that. 

They would save less than $5 million if they cut him and still have to eat almost $8 million in dead money and get nothing in return.  He's still a premium player in his prime.  I never got why they wanted to move away from him. 

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Maybe because Ertz wants more money? And they have his replacement already in Goedert?

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1 minute ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Trade Ertz for a CB

They could well do that. I mean there's sense in that for sure. 

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

They would save less than $5 million if they cut him and still have to eat almost $8 million in dead money and get nothing in return.  He's still a premium player in his prime.  I never got why they wanted to move away from him. 

I don't think it was a case of them wanting to move away from him ... they did try to extend him after all but he was looking for top TE $$ at a time when we had to cap to be able to afford that kind of contract and also a matter of needing money to extend a younger Goedert at the same time (this year since both are in the final year of their current deals).  

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1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I don't think it was a case of them wanting to move away from him ... they did try to extend him after all but he was looking for top TE $$ at a time when we had to cap to be able to afford that kind of contract and also a matter of needing money to extend a younger Goedert at the same time (this year since both are in the final year of their current deals).  

Fair enough. But considering the market for him has been underwhelming and they'd have to eat significant dead money while only saving less than $5 million shouldn't both sides reconsider?

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The Vikings declined Mike Hughes 5th yr option.  He's still on the team but maybe they are open to trading him.

As for money they can make a lot work with voidable years which reduces this year's hit I don't think it's a big issue.

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2 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

They would save less than $5 million if they cut him and still have to eat almost $8 million in dead money and get nothing in return.  He's still a premium player in his prime.  I never got why they wanted to move away from him. 

 

11 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The Vikings declined Mike Hughes 5th yr option.  He's still on the team but maybe they are open to trading him.

As for money they can make a lot work with voidable years which reduces this year's hit I don't think it's a big issue.

I think the Eagles can make it work to sign a CB stop gap who could start without cutting Ertz. 

A trade is definitely a possibility as well

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The corner cupboard is quite bare.  Slay, Maddox and some scrubs.  Yikes.

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7 hours ago, NOTW said:

The corner cupboard is quite bare.  Slay, Maddox and some scrubs.  Yikes.

Yeah it's definitely a concern but I've got to think they have a plan. Like they are going to trade for a CB or bring in someone who's on the street. It won't be ideal but it'll be a band aid for a year. 

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16 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

Caplan is a clown - he's the one who claimed Ertz would definitely be traded by the end of the draft "for sure".

With the money freed up by Jeffery and Jackson, I think the Eagles have enough to sign draft picks and afford a corner on a reasonable deal.

If we're so tight on cap that we're not sure we can afford the rookies, then any room cleared will have to go to that first, anything beyond that will I guess go towards getting Sweat and Barnett tied up long term, which theoretically frees up some cap space given Barnett's cap number is ridiculous as it stands, having said that Barnett is looking at $10million guaranteed for this year and a way more attractive market next year so may decide to stand pat and given there's been talk of talks since the start of the league year and no movement I'm guessing it is heading that way, that makes a Sweat deal even more important to avoid going into next year with neither.

So I don't think a corner is nailed on, consider that Jalen Mills got a base salary of $3mill out of the Patriots, so you're trying to get someone cheaper than Jalen Mills who most of this fanbase was glad to see the back of, you'd have to ask how much of a difference such a player would make?  My guess is Breeland and Sherman are the only ones we could realistically afford (don't forget no team goes into the season proper with no cap space at all, you have to have a contingency for injuries),  Breeland is at best hit and miss and likely not that much better than we have and Sherman is done at 33 coming off a season where he only played 5 games and wasn't that good when he made the field, people like Conley and Artie Burns are notionally attractive as former 1st rounders under 30 but they both suck. Nelson is worth a look but he's only on the market because the Steelers needed to clear cap, my bet is he get's offered more than our $10, all the frozen yogurt he can eat and some shiny buttons.

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18 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Steven Nelson or Gareon Conley would be nice. 

Sign a guy to a 1-2 year deal, bring them in and just solidify the opposite side to Slay and try to get by. 

We aren't going to be contenders this year but we need to have enough pieces to be able to assess the new coaches.

This is what I’ve been hoping for awhile now.  I don’t think either would be terribly expensive, and as they’ve both been on the market for awhile now I would think a shorter term deal would be acceptable on their end.  Conley is still pretty young, so who knows?  Maybe he turns things around a little and actually starts to flash some of the talent that got him drafted so highly.  If not, you signed him to a short term deal so no major loss.

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1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If we're so tight on cap that we're not sure we can afford the rookies, then any room cleared will have to go to that first, anything beyond that will I guess go towards getting Sweat and Barnett tied up long term, which theoretically frees up some cap space given Barnett's cap number is ridiculous as it stands, having said that Barnett is looking at $10million guaranteed for this year and a way more attractive market next year so may decide to stand pat and given there's been talk of talks since the start of the league year and no movement I'm guessing it is heading that way, that makes a Sweat deal even more important to avoid going into next year with neither.

So I don't think a corner is nailed on, consider that Jalen Mills got a base salary of $3mill out of the Patriots, so you're trying to get someone cheaper than Jalen Mills who most of this fanbase was glad to see the back of, you'd have to ask how much of a difference such a player would make?  My guess is Breeland and Sherman are the only ones we could realistically afford (don't forget no team goes into the season proper with no cap space at all, you have to have a contingency for injuries),  Breeland is at best hit and miss and likely not that much better than we have and Sherman is done at 33 coming off a season where he only played 5 games and wasn't that good when he made the field, people like Conley and Artie Burns are notionally attractive as former 1st rounders under 30 but they both suck. Nelson is worth a look but he's only on the market because the Steelers needed to clear cap, my bet is he get's offered more than our $10, all the frozen yogurt he can eat and some shiny buttons.

 

1 hour ago, EaglesFan said:

This is what I’ve been hoping for awhile now.  I don’t think either would be terribly expensive, and as they’ve both been on the market for awhile now I would think a shorter term deal would be acceptable on their end.  Conley is still pretty young, so who knows?  Maybe he turns things around a little and actually starts to flash some of the talent that got him drafted so highly.  If not, you signed him to a short term deal so no major loss.

They can clear enough space for a small cap hit on corner. They get 4 million back from Jeffery/Jackson in June. 

A couple more restructures and they should have up to 5 million if necessary after the draft picks are signed. I agree we probably can't afford Nelson. 

But all those guys you listed are better than what we have at CB2, including Mills. Even if it is a transition season we need to give Gannan at least a fighting chance of being able to stop teams like Dallas and Arizona and he doesn't have that right now with those corners.

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