April 25, 20232 yr Where did that little video come from? I ran searches using both Lycos and Xcite and couldn't find it.
April 25, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Yeah it was better at first and yeah it allowed all sorts of non std crap to pass. It was a piece of sheet in the end of the day. "Embrace and extend" left a helluva legacy. Any nerds recognize document.layers || document.all?
April 25, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, Toastrel said: I recall endless issues with people trying to open sites that would only work in IE with certain settings, certain java versions. It was a nightmare. Java applets are the future of the web! You, @DrPhilly , and @paco might appreciate this episode: [CoRecursive: Coding Stories] Story: JSON vs XML #corecursiveCodingStories https://podcastaddict.com/episode/155618331 via @PodcastAddict
April 25, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: "Embrace and extend" left a helluva legacy. Any nerds recognize document.layers || document.all? Exactly and Microsoft was in no hurry to do anything about it.
April 25, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Java applets are the future of the web! You, @DrPhilly , and @paco might appreciate this episode: [CoRecursive: Coding Stories] Story: JSON vs XML #corecursiveCodingStories https://podcastaddict.com/episode/155618331 via @PodcastAddict That was great, thanks! It was from just the time I was working with web standards, but for mobile apps/content, so hit close to home.
April 25, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Java applets are the future of the web! You, @DrPhilly , and @paco might appreciate this episode: [CoRecursive: Coding Stories] Story: JSON vs XML #corecursiveCodingStories https://podcastaddict.com/episode/155618331 via @PodcastAddict I’ll oData all over both of those
April 25, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, paco said: I’ll oData all over both of those JSON and XML are less prominent in the podcast than the title suggests. It's there but what's more interesting to me is the discussion around the evolution of web tech from mid/late 90s through the post jQuery era
April 26, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, Toastrel said: A web browser history Not going to lie, I geeked out to this. Also, I knew I was a fairly early adopter of chrome but it looks like I got in almost immediately
April 26, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: When IE first came out it was also significantly faster than Netscape, so I'm not surprised that there was a lot of adoption in the home. I just wasn't aware of how long IE dominated in the 00s. The persistence of IE through the late 00s and into the 10s because of how many sites relied on its idiosyncrasies (and its security holes) is the big crime IMHO. Well, that and they bundled it with windows. There was that whole lawsuit because it was (virtually) impossible to uninstall IE
April 26, 20232 yr It wasn't so much that they made IE difficult to uninstall, the action deemed anti-competitive was more so the difficulty they imposed on users when they tried to install and use a 3rd party browser like Netscape. Today, chrome and safari are "native" browsers that similarly can't be uninstalled, but Google and Apple don't make it prohibitive to install and use alternatives.
April 26, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, paco said: Well, that and they bundled it with windows. There was that whole lawsuit because it was (virtually) impossible to uninstall IE I have a memory of a very computer illiterate friend trying to install Firefox and getting caught in an endless loop lmao.
April 26, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: It wasn't so much that they made IE difficult to uninstall, the action deemed anti-competitive was more so the difficulty they imposed on users when they tried to install and use a 3rd party browser like Netscape. Today, chrome and safari are "native" browsers that similarly can't be uninstalled, but Google and Apple don't make it prohibitive to install and use alternatives. It was baked into the OS which is why they deemed it anti-competitive. If memory serves me (and this was during my college years so the lens I'm looking through is blocked by beer and bong water) they brought in an "expert" (I.E., a f'n hacker) who proved you could technically uninstall it. Mind you, he shredded through the registry and did a bunch of funky stuff, but like I said, "technically" you were able to uninstall it
April 26, 20232 yr I'd still like to be able to uninstall "Edge" .. but do not believe it's possible. though Edge is a much better browser than IE ever was, given its underpinnings. I'm souring on Chrome. I would like to see Firefox with better support for switching profiles though, a native approach at least that doesn't require a 3rd party add-on. I primarily use Brave but it's still a bit too close to Chrome for my tastes.
April 26, 20232 yr Just now, paco said: It was baked into the OS which is why they deemed it anti-competitive. If memory serves me (and this was during my college years so the lens I'm looking through is blocked by beer and bong water) they brought in an "expert" (I.E., a f'n hacker) who proved you could technically uninstall it. Mind you, he shredded through the registry and did a bunch of funky stuff, but like I said, "technically" you were able to uninstall it "Baked into the OS" is what Google and Apple do today if you're referring to the fact that they are bundled with the OS and can't be uninstalled. On appeal, the tying violation became a gray area in this context of an operating system and was deemed less of an issue. That's why they weren't prohibited from tying in future products as a result of the settlement. Quote Ultimately, the Circuit Court overturned Jackson's holding that Microsoft should be broken up as an illegal monopoly. However, the Circuit Court did not overturn Jackson's findings of fact, and held that traditional antitrust analysis was not equipped to consider software-related practices like browser tie-ins.[26] The case was remanded back to the D.C. District Court for further proceedings on this matter, with Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly presiding.[27] Quote On November 2, 2001, the DOJ reached an agreement with Microsoft to settle the case. The proposed settlement required Microsoft to share its application programming interfaces with third-party companies and appoint a panel of three people who would have full access to Microsoft's systems, records, and source code for five years in order to ensure compliance.[28] However, the DOJ did not require Microsoft to change any of its code nor did it prevent Microsoft from tying other software with Windows in the future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
April 26, 20232 yr I still use Firefox at home on my Mac, Edge at work on the sheet Dell they gave me, and Safari on my phone.
April 26, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, paco said: Well, yeah. But back then it was a big deal. Netscape cried foul because people had no reason to download their software. I don't know how old you are, this was during my college years, but it set off a whole set of a whole anti trust case Of course it was a big deal. This was the largest company by market cap (and largest tech giant of all time) under fire for an anti-trust case, but one of the reasons the ruling was vacated was because of the judge's faulty conclusion on tying. Most people remember the initial ruling but forget the appeal being successful in getting it overturned. Not that I'm defending MSFT here, mind you. I believed then and still do, that they were engaging in deceptive and anti-competitive behavior, and Bill Gates' smug attitude during the ordeal certainly did them no favors. My point is that the bundling itself wasn't really the egregious part, it was the obstacles they put up to prevent 3rd party browsers from being installed and used.
April 26, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Of course it was a big deal. This was the largest company by market cap (and largest tech giant of all time) under fire for an anti-trust case, but one of the reasons the ruling was vacated was because of the judge's faulty conclusion on tying. Most people remember the initial ruling but forget the appeal being successful in getting it overturned. Not that I'm defending MSFT here, mind you. I believed then and still do, that they were engaging in deceptive and anti-competitive behavior, and Bill Gates' smug attitude during the ordeal certainly did them no favors. My point is that the bundling itself wasn't really the egregious part, it was the obstacles they put up to prevent 3rd party browsers from being installed and used. No, I get what you were saying. I quickly read your post and misread it
April 27, 20232 yr NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Longer https://gizmodo.com/nasa-power-hack-extends-voyager-2-mission-science-1850378890 Quote At 12 billion miles (20 billion kilometers) from Earth, Voyager 2 is so far that it takes more than 22 hours for NASA’s signals to reach the probe. With its power gradually diminishing, mission planners thought they might have to shut down one of its five scientific instruments next year, but a newly implemented plan has resulted in a welcomed delay. A recent adjustment, in which the probe redirects a tiny amount of power meant for an onboard safety system, means all five scientific instruments aboard Voyager 2 can stay active until 2026, according to a NASA Jet Propulsion Lab press release. There’s a modicum of risk involved, as the affected system protects Voyager 2 from voltage irregularities, but NASA says the probe can now keep its science instruments turned on for a while longer. You go NASA!! On a personal note, I spent the day at a NASA facility yesterday. Living the dream.
April 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Longer https://gizmodo.com/nasa-power-hack-extends-voyager-2-mission-science-1850378890 You go NASA!! On a personal note, I spent the day at a NASA facility yesterday. Living the dream. Going to see the Space Shuttle in Florida right before the pandemic was one of the coolest things I've done, for such a simple trip. I was speechless for a few moments when they showed that film of it being built, and the wall moved and the actual craft was right there. As a kid, those were my spaceships.
April 27, 20232 yr 46 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Going to see the Space Shuttle in Florida right before the pandemic was one of the coolest things I've done, for such a simple trip. I was speechless for a few moments when they showed that film of it being built, and the wall moved and the actual craft was right there. As a kid, those were my spaceships. I was there for a scrubbed launch the one time I made that trek.
April 27, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Toastrel said: NASA Power Hack Extends 45-Year Voyager 2 Mission Even Longer https://gizmodo.com/nasa-power-hack-extends-voyager-2-mission-science-1850378890 You go NASA!! On a personal note, I spent the day at a NASA facility yesterday. Living the dream.
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