F1 aka Verstappen vs Hamilton

[UK_EaglesFan89]

12 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

I'm glad Max won; the ending was strange but I think the right man won it for performance over the season.  Mercedes took a gamble that didn't pan out - they did the same in other races and came up trumps. 

I disagree. Max shouldn't have even been in that final race let alone win the championship the way he did. 

[Cochis_Calhoun]

12 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

I'm glad Max won; the ending was strange but I think the right man won it for performance over the season.  Mercedes took a gamble that didn't pan out - they did the same in other races and came up trumps. 

The behaviour from Horner and Wolff needs to drastically improve next year.  The Stewards and FIA also got too involved all season, so today turned into par for the course of making the best product for TV over consistency of decision making.

I disagree slightly because there should never have been points awarded for Belgium which was a farce, and that gave Verstappen the advantage on countback, and frankly the FIA have stage managed the championship in the last few races because Verstappen should've definitely been penalised in Brazil and literally any other driver would've got at least a grid penalty for the brake test in Jeddah, you just don't do that.

Verstappen is a good driver but some of his lunges from way back are like watching a pay driver given one of the best two cars on the grid, a lot of this year he's basically played chicken with people at 190 miles an hour, put him on tracks like a decade or so ago where they had gravel traps rather than tarmac and he'd have a lot more DNF's.

[DrPhilly]

So what is the guiding rule or precedent in F1 for the situation at the end. Was it handled correctly according to historical precedent or not?

[UK_EaglesFan89]

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So what is the guiding rule or precedent in F1 for the situation at the end. Was it handled correctly according to historical precedent or not?

It wasn't handled correctly by the letter of the rules. 

[UK Eagle]

 

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I disagree. Max shouldn't have even been in that final race let alone win the championship the way he did. 

You could level similar criticism at Lewis the crash at Silverstone - it was both dangerous and not needed.  The level of penalty didn't fit the crime.  Then when Bottas created the chain reaction that wiped out Max, Perez, Norris and a Ferrari at Hungary, those races put a big swing on the championship in terms of points and engines, gear boxes, etc for more than one team.

After those races, the tone of the season changed.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I disagree slightly because there should never have been points awarded for Belgium which was a farce, and that gave Verstappen the advantage on countback, and frankly the FIA have stage managed the championship in the last few races because Verstappen should've definitely been penalised in Brazil and literally any other driver would've got at least a grid penalty for the brake test in Jeddah, you just don't do that.

Verstappen is a good driver but some of his lunges from way back are like watching a pay driver given one of the best two cars on the grid, a lot of this year he's basically played chicken with people at 190 miles an hour, put him on tracks like a decade or so ago where they had gravel traps rather than tarmac and he'd have a lot more DNF's.

Belgium was stupid and one of those situations where flexibility in the schedule would have achieved a creditable result.  It was a very European bureaucratic situation that created a complete farce.

Max's style is hyper aggressive and he knew what the endpoint would be placing his car there to overtake.  I'd also say Lewis was too timid at times with car placement and kept leaving the door open.  Schumacher was similar, Vettel was in his time at Red Bull and Lewis was too when racing against Nico. A lot of Hamilton fans forget how aggressive he was with team mates in the past - it's why he has been so successful.  He drove into the back of Button in Canada.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It wasn't handled correctly by the letter of the rules. 

The rules allow for the Race Director to overrule the local stewards, etc - the Twitterati missed out on that. While it looked wrong, Masi was entitled to do what he did.  The teams softly agreed to finish the race under a green flag so Merc could have said no at the beginning.

Masi should have red flagged the race, but Merc should have brought Lewis in for tyres.

[Cochis_Calhoun]

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

 

You could level similar criticism at Lewis the crash at Silverstone - it was both dangerous and not needed.  The level of penalty didn't fit the crime.  Then when Bottas created the chain reaction that wiped out Max, Perez, Norris and a Ferrari at Hungary, those races put a big swing on the championship in terms of points and engines, gear boxes, etc for more than one team.

After those races, the tone of the season changed.

Belgium was stupid and one of those situations where flexibility in the schedule would have achieved a creditable result.  It was a very European bureaucratic situation that created a complete farce.

Max's style is hyper aggressive and he knew what the endpoint would be placing his car there to overtake.  I'd also say Lewis was too timid at times with car placement and kept leaving the door open.  Schumacher was similar, Vettel was in his time at Red Bull and Lewis was too when racing against Nico. A lot of Hamilton fans forget how aggressive he was with team mates in the past - it's why he has been so successful.  He drove into the back of Button in Canada.

The rules allow for the Race Director to overrule the local stewards, etc - the Twitterati missed out on that. While it looked wrong, Masi was entitled to do what he did.  The teams softly agreed to finish the race under a green flag so Merc could have said no at the beginning.

Masi should have red flagged the race, but Merc should have brought Lewis in for tyres.

It's not hyper aggressive it's relying on the other guy to blink first, some of his moves this year are amateurish from way back and if they'd have been done by a Latifi, Mazepin or Tsunoda there'd have been commentators calling for him to sit a few races out. The move in Brazil was a straight up 'either we go off the track or we both DNF but you're not getting to that corner first'  there was no excuse for it and pretty much all the other drivers called that out.  The brake test at Jeddah was another one,  the stewards acknowledged the telemetry shows he pressed the brake pedal hard in the middle of a straight, any other driver any other year that's a black flag, it's not even controversial.  

[UK_EaglesFan89]

8 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

The rules allow for the Race Director to overrule the local stewards, etc - the Twitterati missed out on that. While it looked wrong, Masi was entitled to do what he did

So why wasn't the Ferrari driver entitled to have a fair crack at Verstappen?

[mayanh8]

F1 is back from the summer break.

After all the sh** talking and accusations of cheating from Mercedes and George Russell, being granted new technical directives to bring Mercedes back into competition, Verstappen shows up in Belgium and drops 1.8 seconds on Hamiliton in qualifying like a MF boss.

Also, Ferrari accidentally putting the wrong tires on Leclerc and wasting a new set of softs when he was only out there to give a tow to Sainz is peak Ferrari. Almost feel bad for the Tifosi... almost. 

[mayanh8]

[mayanh8]

Race weekend recap:

1. Verstappen masterclass.
2. Hamilton embarrasses himself and retires after flying into the air going full Mad Max on Alonso during Lap 1.
3. Ferrari boxed Leclerc with one lap left in order to salvage a fastest lap point. They mistakenly released him into a fight with Alonso and who subsequently overtook Leclerc, who wasn't able to get the fastest lap. Leclerc eventually regained the position from Alonso on the last lap. As Leclerc entered the pit lane after the race he was penalized 5 seconds for speeding and lost the place again to Alonso. 

[mayanh8]

[mayanh8]

[mayanh8]

Dutch GP recap:

1. George Russell completely screws over LH. 
2. Shades of Abu Dhabi 2021 as Verstappen hunts down LH after a safety car pit stop for the race win.
3. Ferrari are still hopeless.

 

[mayanh8]

It's looking more likely that Verstappen is going to match or beat the single season race win record of 13 wins in a season held by Schumacher and Vettel.

[JohnB]

time to update your thread title, pimp. Hamilton was a no-show this season. Or at least up to this point 

[OCEaglefan]

Oh good there is a ****yy F1 thread here

[20dawk4life]

People almost got run over at the end of the Azerbaijani Grand Prix. 

[DaEagles4Life]

https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1753133900925129140?s=2

 

 

 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

Hamilton has really rolled the dice there. I’m not sure this one is going to work out for him but I can see why he’s done it.