4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That 6 game excuse doesn't apply when it stretches over 2 seasons and he had an entire offseason as the starting QB.  He is not a passing QB in the NFL. Will he run and make plays? Yes, but that isn't what wins SB. He's not the guy.

Pretty sure it’s still his 6th ever start. And I’ve witnessed worse QBs win Super Bowls. I’m not gonna pass judgment on a dude who hasn’t even played half a season yet. Feel free to do what you want. As the saying goes, opinions are like aholes…

14 minutes ago, Philthy Jawn said:

I feel like we watched different games.  

Also, Lamar and Hurts are very different quarterbacks.

Both run too much.  Both aren't good passers.  Jackson has a better arm, tighter, more efficient release, and is incomparably more dangerous as a runner.  He also has never been forced to play with any pocket discipline, intuition, or progression sophistication.  The comparison here is Atlanta Vick.

Hurts isn't nearly that dangerous as a runner, so he's being forced to make the right reads, the right decisions, and to make more reliable throws.  He plays a much smarter brand of football. But he's going to get hit hard with that system qb label.

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Pretty sure it’s still his 6th ever start. And I’ve witnessed worse QBs win Super Bowls. I’m not gonna pass judgment on a dude who hasn’t even played half a season yet. Feel free to do what you want. As the saying goes, opinions are like aholes…

Sure, if you give him the generational defense of the of Ravens in 2000 or the very good Bucs one in 2003 with rules that don't slant things towards the offense and maybe he can be a Brad Johson or Dilfer. Past that you are grasping at straws playing that argument.

11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Sure, if you give him the generational defense of the of Ravens in 2000 or the very good Bucs one in 2003 with rules that don't slant things towards the offense and maybe he can be a Brad Johson or Dilfer. Past that you are grasping at straws playing that argument.

The issue is that the "worse QBs that have won SB's" all put on superhero capes for the playoffs and played like elite QB's in the tough games.  As hard as it is to find an elite QB, I'd argue that it's easier to find an elite QB than it is to hope that your ordinary QB pulls an  Eli/Flacco/Foles to miraculously play like Tom Brady in the playoffs.  

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Sure, if you give him the generational defense of the of Ravens in 2000 or the very good Bucs one in 2003 with rules that don't slant things towards the offense and maybe he can be a Brad Johson or Dilfer. Past that you are grasping at straws playing that argument.

The point is it’s SIX GAMES. Not enough sample size yet as to who you can compare him too. Can he wind up better than Tom or Peyton? Highhhhly doubtful.  But can he wind up better than Nick Foles? Joe Flacco? Eli?  Possibly. I’ll pass judgment at the end of this year. That’s 21 games. Thankfully if he isn’t good enough, we have the draft capital (and most likely the position) to take a chance on another rookie next year. Frankly, I personally see the start of something good here, and I’ll be pulling extra hard for him to prove himself this year, same as I did for Donovan, Kolb, Carson, Nick, etc. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

 I wouldn't label that as "underthrown." It was just well defended. 

Most the the passes were defended well because Sirianni was calling dumb plays, their DL was handling their business leaving the DBs with one responsibility, don't get beat deep.

Sadly it seems like the Eagles only have 1 legit deep threat and it ain't Reagor or Smith, and what do you know, Watkins is on the field less than both of those guys.

Sirianni had better wisen up.

5 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Sadly it seems like the Eagles only have 1 legit deep threat and it ain't Reagor or Smith, and what do you know, Watkins is on the field less than both of those guys.

12 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

The point is it’s SIX GAMES. Not enough sample size yet as to who you can compare him too. Can he wind up better than Tom or Peyton? Highhhhly doubtful.  But can he wind up better than Nick Foles? Joe Flacco? Eli?  Possibly. I’ll pass judgment at the end of this year. That’s 21 games. Thankfully if he isn’t good enough, we have the draft capital (and most likely the position) to take a chance on another rookie next year. Frankly, I personally see the start of something good here, and I’ll be pulling extra hard for him to prove himself this year, same as I did for Donovan, Kolb, Carson, Nick, etc. 

Kolb and Foles are good comparisons for the Hurts situation, whereas Mcnabb and Wentz are not.

Mcnabb and Wentz were franchise altering top 2 draft picks.  They get years to figure it out.  Kolb and Foles (and Hurts) were casual investments in flawed prospects to unearth something special on the cheap.  If you want to move on because they don't fit what you want, you move on.  No one owes them 21 games.  Kolb got 7 starts.  Nick Foles had a historic 2nd season and was gone 8 starts later.

 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Kolb and Foles are good comparisons for the Hurts situation, whereas Mcnabb and Wentz are not.

Mcnabb and Wentz were franchise altering top 2 draft picks.  They get years to figure it out.  Kolb and Foles (and Hurts) were casual investments in flawed prospects to unearth something special on the cheap.  If you want to move on because they don't fit what you want, you move on.  No one owes them 21 games.  Kolb got 7 starts.  Nick Foles had a historic 2nd season and was gone 8 starts later.

 

You’re right. We’ve seen enough. Drop Hurts and put in the ‘stache. 

14 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

You’re right. We’ve seen enough. Drop Hurts and put in the ‘stache. 

I didn't say that.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I didn't say that.

Fair enough. May have misinterpreted your tone. My bad. 

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

Right, he was just a little late on a couple throws. He'll need to work on this, but if he gets those passes out on time, they can look like:

 

Looked almost like a face mask and horse collar if you ask me.  
 

doesn’t matter we still wouldn’t have punched it in

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

The 49ers don't have a great secondary

I agree they don't but that secondary was getting away with a lot! They were very hands on all game and got away with it. 

7 hours ago, MeccaDon123 said:

And I'll even add that the required "2-step" Hurts needed to get it that far is what caused the late throw. Footwork has to be better there for certain. 

 

That said... Brady doesn't miss that throw soooooo Hurts is not a passing QB... lol

Fun fact: Mighty Brady already has a couple of INTs. But sure, he is perfect. Because Rings and all.

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Well he was the one that argued with me about the underthrown play to begin with 🤷‍♂️

No. You clearly were confused on which play I was talking about so I'm not sure why you're arguing with me.

I tried looking the Reagor incomplete on twitter for it but couldn't. Kept getting this damn popup saying to make an account. Do they not allow non-users to access it now?

You can still follow a Twitter feed, but for non-users, you can’t click links to other Twitter feeds. On my phone, I can click on pics to see them full size, but I can’t do that from my PC anymore. 

11 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Never understood why people add on the YAC. It was really like 47yds

Because YAC generally is a sign that the QB put it on the money where the WR could catch and run. 

It’s his second start of the season and his 6th overall. He’s done a lot of good things. How about giving the kid a little time to continue developing? The slam-dunk, #1 pick this year has thrown FOUR picks through two starts. That’s only four fewer starts than Hurts. 
 

Bottom line, we don’t know exactly what Hurts is yet. But he’s done enough good to at least give him until the end of this season to judge him. 

2 minutes ago, nipples said:

It’s his second start of the season and his 6th overall. He’s done a lot of good things. How about giving the kid a little time to continue developing? The slam-dunk, #1 pick this year just threw FOUR picks in his second start. That’s only four fewer starts than Hurts. 
 

Bottom line, we don’t know exactly what Hurts is yet. But he’s done enough good to at least give him until the end of this season to judge him. 

Some people made up their minds the moment we drafted him. I honestly think people hate Howie so much that it just get's reflected on these picks of his.

12 hours ago, MeccaDon123 said:

Enough of this foolishness. He drops a damn dime to Quez for 91.. If Q doesn't get caught from Behind and If Reagor doesn't step out by an inch that's 2 more passing TDs for Hurts. It's his 2nd year with no preseason. "he's not a passing QB" sounds ridiculous.

He is not a pure pocket passer, as of yet. He is a college read option QB. He is not a guy at this time, who can beat you passing from the pocket with his knowledge of defenses. He literally makes 1 maybe 2 reads than improvises. 

What is not known is whether he can improve to a pro level QB or not. Either way, he/ we have all year (15 more games ) to find out. I have my doubts, but hopes he proves me wrong

 

8 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

He is not a pure pocket passer, as of yet. He is a college read option QB. He is not a guy at this time, who can beat you passing from the pocket with his knowledge of defenses. He literally makes 1 maybe 2 reads than improvises. 

And if he's going to make it long term in the NFL as a starter then he's going to have to develop that side of his game. Can he do it? Well he's sure going to work at it because that's the kind of guy he is.

On 9/19/2021 at 7:40 PM, Portyansky said:

They were underthrown plain and simple. Not sure if it's arm strength or Hurts doesn't realize how fast his guys are yet. I have a feeling he will be connecting those in the near future. I wanna see more runs by Hurts, I feel it will open up the WRs some more.

What I want is for Hurts not to turn into McNabb, Newton or RG3. I don't want him taking off and running at every possible opportunity,
until he takes a bad hit and gets permanently rattled. Wentz was brilliant for a half season. The rest of his short career was predictable
based on his "me run first" mentality.

Hurts is pretty good at protecting himself but it only takes one nasty hit. I'm all for plenty of runs.
Hurts can have some. So can Sanders, Scott and Gainwell. That's what they're paid to do.

And more runs from Hurts means less passes. Less time to develop connections with his receivers.

 

On 9/19/2021 at 8:26 PM, MeccaDon123 said:

If all you're going to do is cry and whine GTFO. "Diehardfan"? Man please. You sound ridiculous and just don't know it. "He's not a starting QB"? SMFH blocked

listen up here buddy, diehard is completely destroying you, so you better just let this one lay before I jump in and finish you off, are we clear?

On 9/19/2021 at 8:23 PM, time2rock said:

People are going to make too much out of this loss (and overanalyze) just like they made too much out of the win last week.  This whole package is a work in progress … expect highs and lows as they work to figure things out.  

Totally agree. There is not enough evidence to make any kind of judgments on Hurts this team or Sirianni and the coaching staff. Week to week we are going to see the pendulum swing. I think most fans see that. Only the agenda driven dopes are the ones who don’t. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Totally agree. There is not enough evidence to make any kind of judgments on Hurts this team or Sirianni and the coaching staff. Week to week we are going to see the pendulum swing. I think most fans see that. Only the agenda driven dopes are the ones who don’t. 

QFT 

When Russell Wilson entered the league, wasn't the word on him that he lacked a strong arm?  Seems like something that can easily be fixed with strength conditioning and mechanics.