Are we being too tough on this team too early?

[NOTW]

You expect a transition year coming off 4 wins with new coaching staff, scheme and QB.

But the penalties, lack of discipline, bad play calling, lack of adjustments, barely running the ball are the major concerns.  Siri has never even called plays before and he's learning while also learning to be a head coach. 

One positive is they aren't giving up.  The key is do they learn and adapt and get better.  Or is this what to expect from this coaching staff?  Most new coaches don't work out so we'll see. 

[LacesOut]

They get a pass from me for pretty much  the entire season. Too much "newness" right now to grade them out in a hard manner. And the fricking injuries don't help.

 

[EazyEaglez]

2 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

No. Given that our offensive Coordinator and head coach admit they have no experience calling or running an RPO offense. Pathetic.

The fact we know they don’t have any experience running this offense, but still keep doing it makes me feel like they’re being told to keep doing it. 

[Bwestbrook36]

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The fact we know they don’t have any experience running this offense, but still keep doing it makes me feel like they’re being told to keep doing it. 

They were hired knowing they knew nothing about it. Tells you even more what is going on here. 

[EazyEaglez]

On 10/21/2021 at 10:47 AM, NOTW said:

You expect a transition year coming off 4 wins with new coaching staff, scheme and QB.

But the penalties, lack of discipline, bad play calling, lack of adjustments, barely running the ball are the major concerns.  Siri has never even called plays before and he's learning while also learning to be a head coach. 

One positive is they aren't giving up.  The key is do they learn and adapt and get better.  Or is this what to expect from this coaching staff?  Most new coaches don't work out so we'll see. 

Well people around here soured on a SB winning coach less than two years after he won it so that’s no surprise really. Also when it comes to Hurts the Wentz wagon is completely burned so they can’t wait to trash that kid regardless. I think the full ire is on Howie and Lurie. The fan base is just tired of those two and their meddling. The harsh reality to me is there isn’t and decent coach/coordinator who would want to be controlled by those two and their  analytics department. I can’t blame Sirianni for wanting to take a shot like Doug did. It’s still only year one so there’s a chance he, the other coaches, and the players get better as time goes on. Even though Siri feels like just another yes man every coach Lurie ever hired won double digit games within their first two seasons. There’s hope, but right now it all feels troubling. 

[EazyEaglez]

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

They were hired knowing they knew nothing about it. Tells you even more what is going on here. 

We didn’t even know what his offense would be, but it seemed to be implied that it would be different from Doug. It’s basically a simple system, that is easy to diagnose, but rarely runs the ball to alleviate some of the pressure from this injured offensive line, this quarterback, and this defense. It’s like this offense took all the bad parts of Chip and Doug’s offense and combined them into a pile of crap. 

[Ipiggles]

16 hours ago, MIRV Griffen said:

The concern and anger isn’t over who they’re losing to: it’s over the fact that week to week, we’re watching the same, glaring game planning and scheme flaws with absolutely no correction on the field in the following contest.  The criticism is warranted.

You do know Merv Griffen was gay right? 

 

[EazyEaglez]

7 hours ago, LacesOut said:

They get a pass from me for pretty much  the entire season. Too much "newness" right now to grade them out in a hard manner. And the fricking injuries don't help.

 

This next game feels kind of big. The coaches have said they have done some evaluating of themselves and admitted they could use Sanders more. Sirianni said he’s doubling down on what he believes works. Let’s see if all of their hard work will payoff on the field this week after 10 days rest. 

[MIRV Griffen]

On 10/21/2021 at 12:43 PM, Ipiggles said:

You do know Merv Griffen was gay right? 

 

Yep.  Gay casino magnate and game show producer.  Couldn’t be further from who I am, which is exactly what I wanted for an internet identity.  Had this username since playing Quake/Team Fortress Classic in the mid/late 90’s.

[PoconoDon]

Nobody is judging the team too harshly. They're not good from a personnel, game planning, or play calling standpoint. They're not a good football team and it shows in their performance. The top two issues as to why they probably won't become a good football team ever again are the Owner and GM. Sadly, there's no cure for that ailment as long as they believe the team isn't sick.

[DeathByEagle]

On 10/20/2021 at 9:23 PM, MIRV Griffen said:

The concern and anger isn’t over who they’re losing to: it’s over the fact that week to week, we’re watching the same, glaring game planning and scheme flaws with absolutely no correction on the field in the following contest.  The criticism is warranted.

This is 99% of Eagles fans views. The remaining 1% actually think fans are being tough on the team cause they are losing, LOL 

[macgregor]

What's apparent is that we're 2-4, which is depressing. If you didn't like Hurts, you can blame him, Howie, you can keep blaming him. From what I see, it's Sirianni and Gannon's, perhaps growing pains that will require some patience while the sample size increases. I DO think that IF the problem is coaching, it radically can alter the perception of the player evaluations. For that reason alone, I think the coaches will have the shortest rope. Whether the answer is replacement or augmentation, I don't know.

I think a top pick QB seems too available to pass up at this point in the 2022 draft. So whatever happens, life won't get any easier for Hurts. I mean, to avoid losing the starter's job next season, he basically has to make a playoff run, which appears unlikely.

[Infam]

On 10/21/2021 at 8:24 AM, D-Shiznit said:

Anybody who thought this team was going to be an upper echelon team going into this year was clueless.

We understand that we are in the middle of a complete rebuild, with a first year HC and a first year starter at QB.

I think the frustration stems from the carryover of Lowie, who hold a great deal of responsibility for the failures of the past few years.

It doesn't help that our fears that Siriani was hired as a puppet for Lowie are all but confirmed as the guy clearly was not ready to be a HC.

So I think for most of us, our frustration is not about the now, but about how the chances of this being a successful rebuild seem low with Lowie and Siri at the helm.

I think we should be an upper echelon team. We do have the talent for it.

But I sure did underestimate how difficult it will be with our new coaching staff.

Haven’t given up on them either, but I should have known a rough start was in the cards given their lack of experience.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

4 hours ago, Infam said:

I think we should be an upper echelon team. We do have the talent for it.

Do we though? Please do tell us where...

[olsilverhair]

OP , question, you ever et a frawg 

[SNOORDA]

On 10/20/2021 at 8:23 PM, EazyEaglez said:

On top of that the mental mistakes on the field. The constant penalties, guys stepping out of bounds. The touchdowns called back. The quarterback doesn’t seem to be developing at all. The defense is like plain yogurt and can’t stop anyone. I just question everything about this coaching staff. Lurie likes to be the guy who hires the lesser known guys, but this time he might have messed up. 

Our ukin coach wore "beat Dallas” shirts and proceeded to get stomped by them.  I’ll never like him and am looking forward to his dismissal 

[mihailo]

On 10/21/2021 at 5:14 AM, EazyEaglez said:

The OC spoke the other day and finally said the Eagles probably should get the ball to Sanders more. First off if it took these guys this long to realize it you have to question everything about them and you have to wonder if they mean runs or just more screens. It also makes me wonder is it a case that the owner finally let them run the ball more. 

I think this is it. He even states that he doesn't believe in the run game. 

[EazyEaglez]

10 hours ago, mihailo said:

I think this is it. He even states that he doesn't believe in the run game. 

Then if it’s true Sirianni is basically the coach in name only. 

[EazyEaglez]

13 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

Our ukin coach wore "beat Dallas” shirts and proceeded to get stomped by them.  I’ll never like him and am looking forward to his dismissal 

As I posted earlier I’m starting to wonder if Sirianni is really the coach or if he’s basically a sideline cheerleader. I used to think Doug passed the ball as much as he did because it was his philosophy, but I can’t shake the idea that he won the Super Bowl by running the football with big backs and a top five run game, but choose to pass the ball way too often afterwards. Was it really his choice at all? 

[brkmsn]

For years, I've felt that people overrate and underrate a majority of teams each season. We haven't really had an NFL powerhouse team that scared everybody. Most teams that have bad years simply underperform. There is a vast amount of talent in the NFL and each team has enough to beat any given team on any given week. The differences between the good teams and bad are not as large as some would have you believe. There's a thing called hype that people still fall for all the time. 

We were underdogs for most of 2017. Nobody was talking about us being SB contenders at the beginning of that season. Still, despite some bumps along the way with key injuries, the team managed to put everything together. We didn't really have the best of anything, but players like Vaitai, Agholor, Foles, Clement,  P. Robinson, Elliot, Burton, and a few others managed to put together their best seasons and help the team defy expectations. 

As for the 2021 team, it's a new direction. On paper, we do have the talent to be better. There are plenty of things to point the finger at for each loss. Overall, so far, I look back on some of the things we've done and some of the things we didn't do and opportunities we've passed up --- Up to this point, I know it sounds funny to pessimists, I feel we've underperformed. So I'm not sure we're being too hard on this team. The opportunities have been there and we didn't get positive results. There is still a large portion of the season left and we will find out more about the character and leadership of this team. 

[Ipiggles]

On 10/23/2021 at 12:45 PM, MIRV Griffen said:

Yep.  Gay casino magnate and game show producer.  Couldn’t be further from who I am, which is exactly what I wanted for an internet identity.  Had this username since playing Quake/Team Fortress Classic in the mid/late 90’s.

have no clue what this is other than a video game? 

[EazyEaglez]

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

For years, I've felt that people overrate and underrate a majority of teams each season. We haven't really had an NFL powerhouse team that scared everybody. Most teams that have bad years simply underperform. There is a vast amount of talent in the NFL and each team has enough to beat any given team on any given week. The differences between the good teams and bad are not as large as some would have you believe. There's a thing called hype that people still fall for all the time. 

We were underdogs for most of 2017. Nobody was talking about us being SB contenders at the beginning of that season. Still, despite some bumps along the way with key injuries, the team managed to put everything together. We didn't really have the best of anything, but players like Vaitai, Agholor, Foles, Clement,  P. Robinson, Elliot, Burton, and a few others managed to put together their best seasons and help the team defy expectations. 

As for the 2021 team, it's a new direction. On paper, we do have the talent to be better. There are plenty of things to point the finger at for each loss. Overall, so far, I look back on some of the things we've done and some of the things we didn't do and opportunities we've passed up --- Up to this point, I know it sounds funny to pessimists, I feel we've underperformed. So I'm not sure we're being too hard on this team. The opportunities have been there and we didn't get positive results. There is still a large portion of the season left and we will find out more about the character and leadership of this team. 

I kind of agree the Eagles have underperformed and I also believe they have made a lost of self inflicted mistakes that have cost them games. With that being the case I don’t think they’re a very good football team, and some of their mistakes are reasons to question this coaching staff and overall team development. They have a chance to improve themselves considering how favorable their record is, but they will have to play much better than they have shown.

[MIRV Griffen]

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

have no clue what this is other than a video game? 

Yep.  Old multiplayer game - one of the first real large scale games of that type back when I had time for such things.

[wrestlevessel]

The team flat out sucks. The Raiders blew them out.

[bitbased]

Nope. Literally have zero adjustments game-to-game and expect different results. Gannon is isolating the (bad) LBs by playing so soft with two safeties over the top and we're just getting ran over. Never even attempt to blitz. Offensive playcalling isn't much better.