Howie Sucks Drafting? (Not so simple)

[bigdog54]

Since the 2018 Draft the last 4 years here are players that are either starting or making a good contribution to the Philadelphia Eagles 

 

2018

*. Dallas Goedert: Starting TE signed long term 

*. Avonte Maddox: Starting Slot CB signed long term 

*. Josh Swear: Starting DE signed long term 

*. Jordan Mailata: Starting LT signed long term 

 

2019

Not a good draft but they did get 

*. Miles Sanders a starting RB and a damn good one at that 

 

2020

*. Jalen Reagor: Starting WR (a lot can be said but he is a starter)

*. Jalen Hurts: starting QB

*. Jack Driscoll: starting guard 

*. Davion Taylor: starting LB

*.Kvon Wallas: back safety still a lot to learn he’s been hurt to much

*. Quez Watkins: one hell of a play making speed WR

 

2021

*. Devonta Smith: starting WR and we can all say future Pro bowl player 

*. Landon Dickerson: starting guard and all signs pointing to being a beast inside for a long time 

*. Milton Williams: good rotational DT book still out 

*. Kenneth Gainwell: good third down running back. Great upside 

so Howie Sucks sounds good. But it’s not clear that’s it’s true. Don’t give me the players they missed a lot of teams miss on good players. I think Howie has done a good job in the 2018 draft and this one has potential to be way above average. Yes 2019 might have been all time bad. However there are way more good than bad. 
 
The shelves aren’t  as empty as some want you to believe. 

 

[bigdog54]

Also must add the job he has done up front is great. The line is down 2 pro bowl starters on the OL and still has one of the better lineman group in the league with more depth to spear and the defensive line is down 1 pro bowl starter and another playing like crap and they still have solid depth there. You can’t discount what howie has built in the trenches. 

[Infam]

2017 was a terrible draft. If you subtract that, he looks pretty good drafting.

To be fair Reagor and Wallace so far look like busts. I don‘t think Dillard is a bust though, he just has the bad luck that they struck gold with Mailata.

[D-Shiznit]

Replace Reagor with Jefferson and JJAW with Metcalf and Howie’s drafts look a lot better.

Those two picks are so unforgivable it will take a number of hits to get past that, if even.

The 2021 draft looks like a home run so at least it’s a start.

[Infam]

25 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Replace Reagor with Jefferson and JJAW with Metclaf and Howie’s drafts look a lot better.

Those two picks are so unforgivable it will take a number of hits to get past that, if even.

The 2021 draft looks like a home run so at least it’s a start.

They are not "unforgivable" considering he hit big in later rounds.

I was very much alone here on Metcalf, while this board told me he is just a stiff athlete that can‘t play football. Then again I thought Reagor is a stud and so far he is not.

Hindsight is easy. And I don‘t care most pundits had Jefferson over Reagor. They are wrong most of the time. If you want to see what happens if you draft who they like just look at Mayock and the Raiders.

I feel your pain though on Metcalf, and I hated the Sidney Jones pick with a passion too. But every team is missing in the draft, and yes high picks too.

[Bwestbrook36]

2 hours ago, Infam said:

They are not "unforgivable" considering he hit big in later rounds.

I was very much alone here on Metcalf, while this board told me he is just a stiff athlete that can‘t play football. Then again I thought Reagor is a stud and so far he is not.

Hindsight is easy. And I don‘t care most pundits had Jefferson over Reagor. They are wrong most of the time. If you want to see what happens if you draft who they like just look at Mayock and the Raiders.

I feel your pain though on Metcalf, and I hated the Sidney Jones pick with a passion too. But every team is missing in the draft, and yes high picks too.

There is about 20 of you that claim they are the only ones that wanted Metcalf. I'm not one of them, I'm just saying a lot of you make this claim. 

[Infam]

10 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

There is about 20 of you that claim they are the only ones that wanted Metcalf. I'm not one of them, I'm just saying a lot of you make this claim. 

Fine. I know plenty do, but unlike me they didn‘t post it on the board dozens of times. I don‘t remember anyone agreeing with me here before that draft.

[ManchesterEagle]

8 hours ago, bigdog54 said:

Also must add the job he has done up front is great. The line is down 2 pro bowl starters on the OL and still has one of the better lineman group in the league with more depth to spear and the defensive line is down 1 pro bowl starter and another playing like crap and they still have solid depth there. You can’t discount what howie has built in the trenches. 

 

2 hours ago, Infam said:

They are not "unforgivable" considering he hit big in later rounds.

I was very much alone here on Metcalf, while this board told me he is just a stiff athlete that can‘t play football. Then again I thought Reagor is a stud and so far he is not.

Hindsight is easy. And I don‘t care most pundits had Jefferson over Reagor. They are wrong most of the time. If you want to see what happens if you draft who they like just look at Mayock and the Raiders.

I feel your pain though on Metcalf, and I hated the Sidney Jones pick with a passion too. But every team is missing in the draft, and yes high picks too.

I’ve always said that Howie isn’t as bad as drafting as some make out.

2017 was a bad draft, although Barnett and Douglas both contributed to the Super Bowl year. 2018 was great.

Dillard was actually a solid pick. Injuries and Mailata make it look worse than he was. 

It’s still too early to judge the 2020 or 2021 drafts. Obviously Hurts is the key and we are still finding out about him. Smith looks like a home run pick but still early. I didn’t like the Dickerson pick because of the need on D and the injury history. He’s worked out so far. Let’s see how it goes

[Jeep_man]

Josh Swear is turning into a solid pick...

[bigdog54]

8 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Replace Reagor with Jefferson and JJAW with Metcalf and Howie’s drafts look a lot better.

Those two picks are so unforgivable it will take a number of hits to get past that, if even.

The 2021 draft looks like a home run so at least it’s a start.

I’m not sure that’s fair that everyone brings up those 2 WR that he missed on. I think we can all agree that JJAW is a bust so Metcalf pick is a for sure a major miss. It’s to soon to say Jefferson/Reagor is a miss. I remember up until a few years ago everyone was saying he missed drafting Brandon Graham Instead Of Earl Thomas. No one says that now. Jefferson has taken a couple steps back and i think he sort of has a low ceiling on him. I don’t think he gets much better. I can see Reagor being a Jeremy Maclin style player. I think Reagor has a higher ceiling on him. Not saying he gets there but he has more potential. 
 

 

[bigdog54]

My point everyone says fire howie they always sight the draft as the reason. He’s good in free agency and cap stuff. I’m just saying he’s not as bad at the draft as people think. In the last 4 years he hit on 14 starters or major contributors.  He did that without having many picks. I say next year he would have the potential to have 18 plus starting players from his draft in the last 5 years. That’s basically fielding a team on both sides of ball from almost all draft picks.

to sum it up I really don’t believe howie is the issue. I Think the owner up his ass is the issue. Everyone says howie wanted different WR the owner choose the picks. If he stays out of Howies way I think we are good. 

[Aspiritfall]

Howie sucks at drafting 

[NOTW]

Being a starter - especially due to injury - doesn't make a great draft pick. Reagor is a "starter" but he's a JAG. Barnett is a starter and everyone wants him gone.

[Uscg-green]

19 hours ago, bigdog54 said:

*. Jalen Reagor: Starting WR (a lot can be said but he is a starter)

Taking Reagor over Jefferson was one of the stupidest decisions I've ever seen. I couldn't believe it. I think the Vikings had the pick in, in about 20 second. 

[wyote]

Some people just can't roll dice very well. 

[EazyEaglez]

7 hours ago, bigdog54 said:

My point everyone says fire howie they always sight the draft as the reason. He’s good in free agency and cap stuff. I’m just saying he’s not as bad at the draft as people think. In the last 4 years he hit on 14 starters or major contributors.  He did that without having many picks. I say next year he would have the potential to have 18 plus starting players from his draft in the last 5 years. That’s basically fielding a team on both sides of ball from almost all draft picks.

to sum it up I really don’t believe howie is the issue. I Think the owner up his ass is the issue. Everyone says howie wanted different WR the owner choose the picks. If he stays out of Howies way I think we are good. 

The 16,17, and 19 drafts have been pretty sub par to say the least. Also just because people are playing doesn’t mean they’re good picks especially if they’re replaceable pieces. Jalen Hurts might be the best pick of the 20 draft and we are all not even sure if he should be the starter. I will agree that Howie probably gets more criticism than he probably deserves, (including from myself) but Howie still needs to do a much better job in his player evaluations. 

[BayAreaLennie]

Howie's reputation on these boards as a disastrous drafter is based on a total of about 4 truly awful draft picks.  Danny Watkins, Marcus Smith, Reagor over Jefferson, and JJAW over DK Metcalf.

Set aside those four picks (in well over a decade of being responsible for drafts), and Roseman comes out ahead of most NFL GMs.  He plays the draft "game" (i.e., moving up or down, trading picks for future year picks, using draft picks to acquire players, trading players for draft picks) as well as any GM in the league.

But yeah, those four draft picks really hurt.  (BTW, the vast majority of NFL fans feel the same about their own GM as most Eagles fans do about Roseman.)

[Infam]

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

Being a starter - especially due to injury - doesn't make a great draft pick. Reagor is a "starter" but he's a JAG. Barnett is a starter and everyone wants him gone.

That is true. At this point I'd consider both busts. But if you look at the big picture he has more hits than misses, so he is drafting well. Except for 2017, that was a disaster.

[Infam]

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The 16,17, and 19 drafts have been pretty sub par to say the least. Also just because people are playing doesn’t mean they’re good picks especially if they’re replaceable pieces. Jalen Hurts might be the best pick of the 20 draft and we are all not even sure if he should be the starter. I will agree that Howie probably gets more criticism than he probably deserves, (including from myself) but Howie still needs to do a much better job in his player evaluations. 

I am sure for a while now, but hey. And I think Mr. Roseman is doing well.

[EazyEaglez]

1 hour ago, Infam said:

I am sure for a while now, but hey. And I think Mr. Roseman is doing well.

Well you might be sure, but I’m not so sure Howie is. 

[Infam]

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well you might be sure, but I’m not so sure Howie is. 

Well so far he has done everything you can do if you are sure he is. That’s all one can ask for. Now it’s up to Hurts to silence everyone that has doubts. But that is happening, you can already see people waking up everywhere..

[EazyEaglez]

15 minutes ago, Infam said:

Well so far he has done everything you can do if you are sure he is. That’s all one can ask for. Now it’s up to Hurts to silence everyone that has doubts. But that is happening, you can already see people waking up everywhere..

I don’t think Hurts is silencing his critics per se, rather they’re just waiting in the dark to hate on him louder. You see he hasn’t changed the minds of those people. They still don’t like him and many of them never will. Getting to Howie well we know he believes he’s the smartest guy in the room so the quarterback factory is always looking to be improved. Hurts is winning games right now, but so did Nick Foles. Even after breaking records they replaced him too. Heck after winning a Super Bowl and being the only quarterback to win any playoff games around here since McNabb they replaced him too. It’s no lock Hurts keeps this job, because Howie’s been chasing the Wilson blues since he didn’t get the chance to draft they guy even though the guy he did draft won a Super Bowl as well. 

[Infam]

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think Hurts is silencing his critics per se, rather they’re just waiting in the dark to hate on him louder. You see he hasn’t changed the minds of those people. They still don’t like him and many of them never will. Getting to Howie well we know he believes he’s the smartest guy in the room so the quarterback factory is always looking to be improved. Hurts is winning games right now, but so did Nick Foles. Even after breaking records they replaced him too. Heck after winning a Super Bowl and being the only quarterback to win any playoff games around here since McNabb they replaced him too. It’s no lock Hurts keeps this job, because Howie’s been chasing the Wilson blues since he didn’t get the chance to draft they guy even though the guy he did draft won a Super Bowl as well. 

It's a lock. Don't worry about it.

[EazyEaglez]

2 minutes ago, Infam said:

It's a lock. Don't worry about it.

I’m not ready to call it a lock on a team that has been so noncommittal to Jalen for most of the season. Heck this is the same squad the said Foles would be their quarterback for a thousand years and then traded him in the off-season. Then they gave Wentz a big contract and then drafted Hurts. Just to make things a little more complicated they traded for Minshew. They haven’t had stability at the quarterback position here since 09.

[wyote]

There's gonna be some angry TATErs this offseason. Everyone's been wanting to see Howie, Sirianni, Gannon, and Hurts get dumped at the end of the year, but the way things are looking you're only going to get maybe one of those (Gannon).

You better start hoping hard for a late season collapse.