7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Brady isn't remotely mobile. Mahomes is mobile but he'd throw first. Foles is a throw first QB too

Peyton is a statue and those are the SB winning QBs from 2015-present

What "era" are you talking about?

Wilson won a SB as a highly mobile QB.  I don't think you need one specific type of QB to win, you just need a solid team altogether.  I mean Trent Dilfer wasn't an elite QB, but he won a SB

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Against BS teams or ones missing starters during the regular season, sure. In a playoff game when the D has taken the run or you are behind and they know you are going to pass the ball only QB who can carve up a defense are going to win. That isn't Hurts. That isn't his skill set. That is why he isn't the guy.

Wow...a playoff game? Then how did it go? Freaking Tebow won a playoff game. Keep dying on that hill.

You seem to be the kind of person who believes that nothing ever changes.  Hope that works out for ya.

Just now, JP HOF said:

Defenses can stop pure passers too.

Sure they can. Those defenses come along but are rare. Broncos with Manning a few years ago, then the Ravens, and Tampa in 2002.

I'll never like Howie making football decisions. I like his other aspects- but let REAL football scouts and people make the personnel decisions. Or get a real football guy as a GM. 

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

Wilson won a SB as a highly mobile QB.  I don't think you need one specific type of QB to win, you just need a solid team altogether.  I mean Trent Dilfer wasn't an elite QB, but he won a SB

Wilson can pass the freaking ball really well.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Wilson can pass the freaking ball really well.

Yeah, over time he became a good passer too. And those of us that are still waiting to pass judgement have said to give Hurts time to develop like Wilson did.

8 minutes ago, JP HOF said:

I'm talking about the fact that guys like Hurts and Lamar Jackson show that this dimension is now a feasable way to win.

That's stretching it don't you think? Lamar did not play well in the playoffs

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Wilson won a SB as a highly mobile QB.  I don't think you need one specific type of QB to win, you just need a solid team altogether.  I mean Trent Dilfer wasn't an elite QB, but he won a SB

Wilson also had a historic defense that was even given a nickname

Just now, MF POON said:

Yeah, over time he became a good passer too. And those of us that are still waiting to pass judgement have said to give Hurts time to develop like Wilson did.

Night and day difference between the two, but that's fine. He also brought his team back in the playoffs throwing the ball against the Redskins his rookie year.

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Against BS teams or ones missing starters during the regular season, sure. In a playoff game when the D has taken the run or you are behind and they know you are going to pass the ball only QB who can carve up a defense are going to win. That isn't Hurts. That isn't his skill set. That is why he isn't the guy.

 

Oh so teams in the playoffs aren't playing with missing starters?  Eagles just played the league's best run defense when at this point the Saints knew the Eagles were going to try to run and the Eagles had their way with them.  The offensive line is playing absolutely dominantly in their run blocking and the Eagles RBs and Hurts are taking advantage of that to the fullest.  If you run the ball, control the clock and don't turn the ball over in the playoffs then you are putting yourself in excellent position to win.

 

If you find yourself behind in a playoff game to the point where you need to abandon the run then you are already in a situation where your probability to win the game is very low.  

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Night and day difference between the two, but that's fine. He also brought his team back in the playoffs throwing the ball against the Redskins his rookie year.

 

Hurts has brought the team back many times this season.  Unfortunately the defense came up short a lot of those times late in the game.  Difference between now and then though is that the Eagles are playing a style of football that allows them to play well from start to finish and score points and not to fall behind early in games.  

Are we gonna do this every time the team wins a game, against bad or injured teams?  Let's see long term. 

Howie gave out bad contracts and deals and had to make up for them to fix his own mistakes, so some fans want to pat him on the back for that.

He has not drafted a difference maker on defense at all.  He's had some hits on offense, most of which were easy no brainers that everyone knew were good picks at the time like Johnson, Ertz, Goedert, DeVonta Smith.  Part of the draft picture involves who he didn't take (not hindsight, players that consensus media and fans wanted at the time).

Most of the guys he drafts are JAGs or busts.  He's held onto older players with injury too long and extended their contracts, creating too big of a cap hit/dead money to cut.  He's once again paying Brandon Brooks to be on IR, now Graham.  

He has to prove he can build the core of a contending team through the draft.  Let's see what he does this offseason on defense.

I will say, this last draft was decent.  Smith is a great pick, Dickerson (if he stays healthy) is solid, Williams and Gainwell are decent pieces.  But we need more than decent, he needs to hit more and to get real star talent especially on defense.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Hurts has brought the team back many times this season.  Unfortunately the defense came up short a lot of those times late in the game.  Difference between now and then though is that the Eagles are playing a style of football that allows them to play well from start to finish and score points and not to fall behind early in games.  

Difference between now and then is that we run it so much that we dominate ToP too. That really helps our defense.

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

 

If you find yourself behind in a playoff game to the point where you need to abandon the run then you are already in a situation where your probability to win the game is very low.  

No, some games are shootouts. Again, like our SB. Like Eli vs the Patriots. Etc...

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Hurts has brought the team back many times this season.  Unfortunately the defense came up short a lot of those times late in the game.  Difference between now and then though is that the Eagles are playing a style of football that allows them to play well from start to finish and score points and not to fall behind early in games.  

That style isn't as simple in the playoffs. Falcons game SB year. The weather dictated passing the ball would be difficult and both teams couldn't run. It came down to passing the ball when the defense knew it was coming. We can go through countless examples like Brady against GB last year. He had to drive the ball late when the d knew it was coming. Heck, look at Wentz vs the Rams the SB year. He kept them in the game with is arm. Hurts isn't capable of that against a good defense in the playoffs.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Are we gonna do this every time the team wins a game, against bad or injured teams?  Let's see long term. 

Howie gave out bad contracts and deals and had to make up for them to fix his own mistakes, so some fans want to pat him on the back for that.

He has not drafted a difference maker on defense at all.  He's had some hits on offense, most of which were easy no brainers that everyone knew were good picks at the time like Johnson, Ertz, Goedert, DeVonta Smith.  Part of the draft picture involves who he didn't take (not hindsight, players that consensus media and fans wanted at the time).

Most of the guys he drafts are JAGs or busts.  He's held onto older players with injury too long and extended their contracts, creating too big of a cap hit/dead money to cut.  He's once again paying Brandon Brooks to be on IR, now Graham.  

He has to prove he can build the core of a contending team through the draft.  Let's see what he does this offseason on defense.

I will say, this last draft was decent.  Smith is a great pick, Dickerson (if he stays healthy) is solid, Williams and Gainwell are decent pieces.  But we need more than decent, he needs to hit more and to get real star talent especially on defense.

Good post.

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, some games are shootouts. Again, like our SB. Like Eli vs the Patriots. Etc...

That style isn't as simple in the playoffs. Falcons game SB year. The weather dictated passing the ball would be difficult and both teams couldn't run. It came down to passing the ball when the defense knew it was coming. We can go through countless examples like Brady against GB last year. He had to drive the ball late when the d knew it was coming. Heck, look at Wentz vs the Rams the SB year. He kept them in the game with is arm. Hurts isn't capable of that against a good defense in the playoffs.

 

LOL. Some Diehardfan you are 😂

20 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, some games are shootouts. Again, like our SB. Like Eli vs the Patriots. Etc...

That style isn't as simple in the playoffs. Falcons game SB year. The weather dictated passing the ball would be difficult and both teams couldn't run. It came down to passing the ball when the defense knew it was coming. We can go through countless examples like Brady against GB last year. He had to drive the ball late when the d knew it was coming. Heck, look at Wentz vs the Rams the SB year. He kept them in the game with is arm. Hurts isn't capable of that against a good defense in the playoffs.

Good post.

 

Eli vs Patriots weren't shoot out Super Bowls.  What are you talking about?  First one the Giants won 17-14 and the second one they won 21-17. 

 

We have seen Jalen drive the ball late in games this season.  

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Eli vs Patriots weren't shoot out Super Bowls.  What are you talking about?  First one the Giants won 17-14 and the second one they won 21-17. 

 

We have seen Jalen drive the ball late in games this season.  

As I said shootouts or having to pass the ball to bring the team back...like the drive. Bottom line is there are so many examples in the last ten years of a QB having to pass the ball when the defense knew it was coming. Hurts isn't capable of that.

12 minutes ago, MF POON said:

LOL. Some Diehardfan you are 😂

Dieharddfan not blind lemming follower.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

As I said shootouts or having to pass the ball to bring the team back...like the drive.

Dieharddfan not blind lemming follower.

 

We have seen Jalen get touchdowns on drives he has needed to get touchdowns on in the 4th quarter this year.  We have seen it a lot.  I'm not sure why think that he suddenly would be unable to do in the playoffs when we have seen him do it all the times he has been given the chance to this season.  

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dieharddfan not blind lemming follower.

Interesting. You do sound like a blind lemming follower in all your postings to me.

1 hour ago, JP HOF said:

So how do you guys feel about Howie now?

He is better than this thread.

1 hour ago, JP HOF said:

Lamar won a playoff game last year.  the shift is on.

No, it is not.  It comes and goes, Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, Vick, and it always gets figured out.  You have to have a pocket passer to win a Super Bowl.

Still hasn't drafted a defensive pro bowler

15 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Still hasn't drafted a defensive pro bowler

Boom. End of thread.

How do I feel about Howie? I still feel like he's a weasel and I still don't think he's a very good GM. 

In before the move to R&R

3 hours ago, JP HOF said:

I admit, I was wrong and he was right about drafting Hurts.

Slay was worth what we gave for him.

Edwards, where did he come from?  Looks like a young Trotter.

Dickerson - definite dog.

Devante - smooth like a cadillac.

 

Reagor over Jefferson is pretty unforgivably stupid. That was a no brainer decision. The Vikings draft room laughed for 15 seconds then put their pick in. And I'm not playing Monday morning QB. I said the same thing draft night. I get it if you need something besides a WR. But as receivers BPA go that was a lock. 

 

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

How about you calm the freak down. They just played multiple average teams who have injuries.

This. 2019 is Sandars, 2020 is a wash with his early picks because Hurts isn't the long term answer regardless of what his fan boys think, and this year is still going but does look better. They are still tied to bad contracts and have way too many blown picks because you are right. He made a SB winner a sub 500 club.

Define long term answer? If one keeps regurgitating qbs every couple seasons how will anyone ever know if theyre the long term answer? It takes time. Hurts is still just under a season of games started.