NOTW Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: In before the move to R&R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Still hasn't drafted a defensive pro bowler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMatt Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Diehardfan said: They are Ben Simmons during the regular season as others have said. Looks great and gets people excited but that doesn't win in the playoffs. Like our previous franchise qb which was paid north of 100m? Hurts hasnt even played in the playoffs yet. Jesus christ, shall we start calling you Miss Cleo because you're seeing the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Diehardfan Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, EagleMatt said: Like our previous franchise qb which was paid north of 100m? Hurts hasnt even played in the playoffs yet. shall we start calling you Miss Cleo because you're seeing the future? Previous guy was on his way to league MVP this time his 2nd year before he got hurt. No need to call Cleo because there is this thing called history. QB who win SB are pocket QB who can run...QB who run and can sometimes throw (like Hurts) don't win SB. Hurts is not a pocket QB regardless of how badly some of you want to cling to false hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMatt Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Previous guy was on his way to league MVP this time his 2nd year before he got hurt. No need to call Cleo because there is this thing called history. QB who win SB are pocket QB who can run...QB who run and can sometimes throw (like Hurts) don't win SB. Hurts is not a pocket QB regardless of how badly some of you want to cling to false hope. Im not dubbing him anything. I'm on the boat of wait & see. Someone like Foles wasnt supposed to win a sb, and here we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, EagleMatt said: Im not dubbing him anything. I'm on the boat of wait & see. Someone like Foles wasnt supposed to win a sb, and here we are. The guy was hit or miss but he always had the ability to be a pocket QB. You will never see Hurts throw the ball the way Foles did in that SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infam Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Previous guy was on his way to league MVP this time his 2nd year before he got hurt. No need to call Cleo because there is this thing called history. QB who win SB are pocket QB who can run...QB who run and can sometimes throw (like Hurts) don't win SB. Hurts is not a pocket QB regardless of how badly some of you want to cling to false hope. Previous guy had five years and played what? 3 playoff snaps? Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMatt Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: The guy was hit or miss but he always had the ability to be a pocket QB. You will never see Hurts throw the ball the way Foles did in that SB. And again, you will never see a guy like foles win a sb. But he did. Never say never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman#12 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I defended Howie for years......but it's undeniable that he has certain issues that continually haunt this team. Regardless of how Hurts turns out, he was drafted for no discernible reason at a time when this team had MAJOR needs. And despite recent success, Hurts has a long way to go to develop into a consistently productive passer and he runs way too much......can win playoffs and super bowls with running QBs. Howie continues to ignore major needs at linebacker, safety and CB in early rounds. The whole Wentz situation was cluster-f-----d and that has to be blamed mostly on Roseman. The situation with Pedersen, Wentz and Lurie was handled so poorly that it became detrimental to hiring a head coach. And God knows what Sirianni has to deal with. There's been some indication over the last few years of scouts and advisors being frustrated by how the team selects players in the draft....and some of that happens everywhere....but when they ignore major needs for reaches and have big misses on what seem like obvious picks, one has to wonder if it's really a one man show. The eagles are in a unique position to drastically inject some major talent that's sorely needed, especially on defense. But nobody believes that the eagles will come out of it with what they really need. Every year is a build up to the draft that turns out to be a major letdown. Sometimes teams need fresh perspective at the coaching positions......sometimes in the GMs spot. Lurie, I'm sure, feels that Howie can recreate a super bowl roster but it's been downhill since they won it 4 years ago.....but it leads me to believe that Howie isn't going anywhere anytime soon. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olsilverhair Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Diehardfan said: Yes, they are the tallest midget in the room playing better against heavily injured or average teams. I'd hope the defense looked better against a 3rd string QB missing their best player and two starters on their OL. hurts is fools gold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: I defended Howie for years......but it's undeniable that he has certain issues that continually haunt this team. Regardless of how Hurts turns out, he was drafted for no discernible reason at a time when this team had MAJOR needs. And despite recent success, Hurts has a long way to go to develop into a consistently productive passer and he runs way too much......can win playoffs and super bowls with running QBs. Howie continues to ignore major needs at linebacker, safety and CB in early rounds. The whole Wentz situation was cluster-f-----d and that has to be blamed mostly on Roseman. The situation with Pedersen, Wentz and Lurie was handled so poorly that it became detrimental to hiring a head coach. And God knows what Sirianni has to deal with. There's been some indication over the last few years of scouts and advisors being frustrated by how the team selects players in the draft....and some of that happens everywhere....but when they ignore major needs for reaches and have big misses on what seem like obvious picks, one has to wonder if it's really a one man show. The eagles are in a unique position to drastically inject some major talent that's sorely needed, especially on defense. But nobody believes that the eagles will come out of it with what they really need. Every year is a build up to the draft that turns out to be a major letdown. Sometimes teams need fresh perspective at the coaching positions......sometimes in the GMs spot. Lurie, I'm sure, feels that Howie can recreate a super bowl roster but it's been downhill since they won it 4 years ago.....but it leads me to believe that Howie isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Spot on. Coaches get fired very easily, and some teams fire the coach and GM when there is such failure but not the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Greene Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 39 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: I defended Howie for years......but it's undeniable that he has certain issues that continually haunt this team. Regardless of how Hurts turns out, he was drafted for no discernible reason at a time when this team had MAJOR needs. And despite recent success, Hurts has a long way to go to develop into a consistently productive passer and he runs way too much......can win playoffs and super bowls with running QBs. Howie continues to ignore major needs at linebacker, safety and CB in early rounds. The whole Wentz situation was cluster-f-----d and that has to be blamed mostly on Roseman. The situation with Pedersen, Wentz and Lurie was handled so poorly that it became detrimental to hiring a head coach. And God knows what Sirianni has to deal with. There's been some indication over the last few years of scouts and advisors being frustrated by how the team selects players in the draft....and some of that happens everywhere....but when they ignore major needs for reaches and have big misses on what seem like obvious picks, one has to wonder if it's really a one man show. The eagles are in a unique position to drastically inject some major talent that's sorely needed, especially on defense. But nobody believes that the eagles will come out of it with what they really need. Every year is a build up to the draft that turns out to be a major letdown. Sometimes teams need fresh perspective at the coaching positions......sometimes in the GMs spot. Lurie, I'm sure, feels that Howie can recreate a super bowl roster but it's been downhill since they won it 4 years ago.....but it leads me to believe that Howie isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He isn't going anywhere. Lurie loved him some roseman. He's been really bad at drafting in previous years. This year's draft was pretty good so far, particularly the top 3 picks. But taking reagor over justin Jefferson last year? If he had taken Jeffrson last year, then we could have spent this year's first rounder on another area of need and this team still has significant holes on defense. I wish they would just let him be like joe banner- do contracts, manage the cap, and let a real football guy run the draft. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eglz1 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 hours ago, JP HOF said: Lamar won a playoff game last year. the shift is on. If that is indeed what's happening, enjoy it. D coordinators will figure out a way to put the kibosh on it soon enough. Emphasis the past few years has been on passing and scoring. If the pendulum swings back to more running - and it probably will - defenses will follow. Right now running works against defenses built to stop the pass, I wouldn't count on that lasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, Moe Greene said: He isn't going anywhere. Lurie loved him some roseman. He's been really bad at drafting in previous years. This year's draft was pretty good so far, particularly the top 3 picks. But taking reagor over justin Jefferson last year? If he had taken Jeffrson last year, then we could have spent this year's first rounder on another area of need and this team still has significant holes on defense. I wish they would just let him be like joe banner- do contracts, manage the cap, and let a real football guy run the draft. Can you imagine how much better this team overall would be if we had Jefferson paired up with Smith? Or if we would have passed on Smith because of Jefferson and took Parsons instead? Not that I think we would have … it doesn’t matter how highly rated a player like Parsons is/was … the fact that he is a LB would have prevented him from being our pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 7 hours ago, JP HOF said: Lamar won a playoff game last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 No changes in my feelings about Howie overall. He’s done some good and some bad. Still don’t understand how he’s survived 4 different coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleVA Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Diehardfan said: How about you calm the freak down. They just played multiple average teams who have injuries. Exactly, the Giants are gonna hand the Eagles their arses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miami Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 He should only pick players the scouts approve. No need for Lurie, Howie or the analytics department to lead us astray. This year’s draft seems better because they listened to the scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infam Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Miami said: He should only pick players the scouts approve. No need for Lurie, Howie or the analytics department to lead us astray. This year’s draft seems better because they listened to the scouts. Sure… especially with Milton Williams. Draft looks good, must have been the Scouts!! 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenEagle Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 14 hours ago, Diehardfan said: Previous guy was on his way to league MVP this time his 2nd year before he got hurt. No need to call Cleo because there is this thing called history. QB who win SB are pocket QB who can run...QB who run and can sometimes throw (like Hurts) don't win SB. Hurts is not a pocket QB regardless of how badly some of you want to cling to false hope. First off not comparing Hurts to Young, the difference is massive but Young was a scrambling erratic passer who took a few years to develop into a pocket passer who could scramble. Hell Tampa gave up on him for Vinny!! I think we can agree he turned out pretty good in the end. Not saying Hurts is on the same career path but he's also not been the problem this year, early play calling on both sides of the ball was terrible - improvement being seen - but Hurts has played ok, some facepalm moments but we all remember McNabb's worm balls! It's too early to say what's he's going to be, plenty of Hall of fame QBs stunk the place up their first year or so. (Edit : Obviously mean Steve Young not Vince Young!!! 🤣) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Greene Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 15 hours ago, EagleVA said: Exactly, the Giants are gonna hand the Eagles their arses. not sure if you're being serious. I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 21 hours ago, NOTW said: This is Howie’s projected 2023 cap space. Howie’s like screw the draft. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 21 hours ago, EagleMatt said: Like our previous franchise qb which was paid north of 100m? Hurts hasnt even played in the playoffs yet. Jesus christ, shall we start calling you Miss Cleo because you're seeing the future? Beanbaggers know the future. 😂🤣😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMatt Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: No changes in my feelings about Howie overall. He’s done some good and some bad. Still don’t understand how he’s survived 4 different coaches. Im of the opinion hes Luries love child. Lurie banged his accountant or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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