7 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Im of the opinion hes Luries love child. Lurie banged his accountant or something.

or Howie has pics of Lurie dressed as Little Bo Peep.....

On 11/22/2021 at 6:25 PM, time2rock said:

Can you imagine how much better this team overall would be if we had Jefferson paired up with Smith?  Or if we would have passed on Smith because of Jefferson and took Parsons instead?  Not that I think we would have … it doesn’t matter how highly rated a player like Parsons is/was … the fact that he is a LB would have prevented him from being our pick.  

me thinks he would have drafted Kwity Paye....assuming he didn't trade down...or Penei Sewell...Howie loves his OLs and DLs

7 hours ago, flyerdog said:

me thinks he would have drafted Kwity Paye....assuming he didn't trade down...or Penei Sewell...Howie loves his OLs and DLs

I’d like to see Howie draft some more defensive lineman high. Derek Barnett, Marcus Smith and then you have Fletcher Cox. That’s it and Fletch was taken in 2012. Time for some new talent on the front line. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’d like to see Howie draft some more defensive lineman high. Derek Barnett, Marcus Smith and then you have Fletcher Cox. That’s it and Fletch was taken in 2012. Time for some new talent on the front line. 

Good draft for DL too. Pretty sure we draft at least one in the first.

1 minute ago, Infam said:

Good draft for DL too. Pretty sure we draft at least one in the first.

If this team got more pressure from the line the entire defense would be better. Lately most of Howie’s draft picks on the line have been mid to late round picks. It’s time for some elite level upgrades. 

14 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If this team got more pressure from the line the entire defense would be better. Lately most of Howie’s draft picks on the line have been mid to late round picks. It’s time for some elite level upgrades. 

8 hours ago, flyerdog said:

me thinks he would have drafted Kwity Paye....assuming he didn't trade down...or Penei Sewell...Howie loves his OLs and DLs

Paye perhaps but Sewell was off the board at 7.  

47 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If this team got more pressure from the line the entire defense would be better. Lately most of Howie’s draft picks on the line have been mid to late round picks. It’s time for some elite level upgrades. 

We spent 3 picks on DL in the 1st round over the past 10 drafts:  2012 Cox (12), 2014 Smith (26), 2017 Barnett (14).  One great pick, one meh, one complete swing and a miss.  Assuming our first pick will be somewhere in that 7-9 range (the one from Miami), you have to figure it will be DL (unless he stupidly takes a QB).  Highly unlikely we'd take a WR 3 years in a row, the top CB (Stingley) is likely to be off the board, we don't value LB or S enough to consider any of the top prospects there.  My guess is either Hutch, Leal, or Karlaftis (unless he finds a team willing to give up a kings ransom to move up for a QB).  Would love either Hutch or Leal there - either one would be a tremendous addition to our line.  

I'm not changing my mind because we won a few games with a running quarterback. It's not sustainable and Howie's drafts are still the worst

We’re two games behind in the division and people are already gargling Howie’s ball sack?

This confirms, he has plants all over the message boards. Hilarious. 
 

His drafting vs our arch rival has been night and day. Night and f’ing day. And not in a good way. The Cowboys have a stacked team full of young drafted studs on defense while our defensive lynchpin is either a FA or a dude we drafted 9 f’ing years ago. 
 

I’ll change my tune once we stop getting rocked to sleep by daddy Prescott and the Cowboys. Until then, that f’ing 41-21 beat down is still fresh in my mind. With the 21 being as a result of garbage time generosity. 
 

Oh, and just in case my feelings aren’t clear. F Howie Roseman. 

On 11/22/2021 at 2:17 PM, NOTW said:

Are we gonna do this every time the team wins a game, against bad or injured teams?  Let's see long term. 

Howie gave out bad contracts and deals and had to make up for them to fix his own mistakes, so some fans want to pat him on the back for that.

He has not drafted a difference maker on defense at all.  He's had some hits on offense, most of which were easy no brainers that everyone knew were good picks at the time like Johnson, Ertz, Goedert, DeVonta Smith.  Part of the draft picture involves who he didn't take (not hindsight, players that consensus media and fans wanted at the time).

Most of the guys he drafts are JAGs or busts.  He's held onto older players with injury too long and extended their contracts, creating too big of a cap hit/dead money to cut.  He's once again paying Brandon Brooks to be on IR, now Graham.  

He has to prove he can build the core of a contending team through the draft.  Let's see what he does this offseason on defense.

I will say, this last draft was decent.  Smith is a great pick, Dickerson (if he stays healthy) is solid, Williams and Gainwell are decent pieces.  But we need more than decent, he needs to hit more and to get real star talent especially on defense.

This is total revisionist history. LJ was the third OT taken and half the fan base wanted the DE/LB out of Oregon. Ertz and Goedert were second round picks which have a failure rate of over 50% league wide; Goedert especially was considered a high risk pick because of his school and competition.

And let’s be honest here — the overwhelming majority of NFL players are JAGs or busts. First round conversion rate is about 50% depending on how you define it, and from there you get an exponential curve of busts.

Howie drafts about average if you go by the numbers. But he’s really good at maneuvering and rebuilding, so unlike most teams we tend to stay in contention longer and have faster turnaround from rebuilds.

17 minutes ago, TEW said:

This is total revisionist history. LJ was the third OT taken and half the fan base wanted the DE/LB out of Oregon. Ertz and Goedert were second round picks which have a failure rate of over 50% league wide; Goedert especially was considered a high risk pick because of his school and competition.

And let’s be honest here — the overwhelming majority of NFL players are JAGs or busts. First round conversion rate is about 50% depending on how you define it, and from there you get an exponential curve of busts.

Howie drafts about average if you go by the numbers. But he’s really good at maneuvering and rebuilding, so unlike most teams we tend to stay in contention longer and have faster turnaround from rebuilds.

You’re kidding, right?  Howie has only been GM since 2010, and up until 2016 it’s been questionable over who had final say over roster decisions but I’ll still give your argument the best advantage and say it was Howie since 2010. 
 

So, in 2010, we win the division, but no playoff win.

2011, 8-8, no playoffs. 
2012, 4-12, no playoffs, Reid fired. 
 

2013, enter Chip, 10-6, division title, no playoff win. 
2014, 10-6, no playoffs. 
2015, Howie not in charge this season, 7-9, Chip fired. 
 

2016, Howie back in charge, 7-9, no playoffs. 
2017, Super Bowl champions, Howie rightfully named Exec of the year. 
2018, 9-7, one playoff win(very fortunate at that). 
2019, 9-7,division title, no playoff win. 
2020, 4-11-1, Doug fired. 
 

Where exactly does Howie have a history of keeping us in contention? I suppose we can go for a Texas Sharp Shooter fallacy and just focus on 2017-2019, but even as great as 2017 was, it was followed by two straight years on a downward trajectory, and prior to those 3 years, he had no history of sustained success. 

On 11/22/2021 at 9:33 PM, Diehardfan said:

Previous guy was on his way to league MVP this time his 2nd year before he got hurt. No need to call Cleo because there is this thing called history. QB who win SB are pocket QB who can run...QB who run and can sometimes throw (like Hurts) don't win SB. Hurts is not a pocket QB regardless of how badly some of you want to cling to false hope.

Can we pump the brakes on the 2017 he woulda won MVP if it wasn't for his stubborn refusal to protect himself stuff?  He appeared in 13 games of a 16 game season and got 2 votes, Todd Gurley got 8 and Brady got 40. The only measure of QB performance that season he headed Brady in was TD's, and that's still true if Brady's season had ended after 13 games.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Can we pump the brakes on the 2017 he woulda won MVP if it wasn't for his stubborn refusal to protect himself stuff?  He appeared in 13 games of a 16 game season and got 2 votes, Todd Gurley got 8 and Brady got 40. The only measure of QB performance that season he headed Brady in was TD's, and that's still true if Brady's season had ended after 13 games.

Even if he would have won it, who cares if he cannot play in the playoffs?

Dude is a breakdown waiting to happen, both in body and mind.

18 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

You’re kidding, right?  Howie has only been GM since 2010, and up until 2016 it’s been questionable over who had final say over roster decisions but I’ll still give your argument the best advantage and say it was Howie since 2010. 
 

So, in 2010, we win the division, but no playoff win.

2011, 8-8, no playoffs. 
2012, 4-12, no playoffs, Reid fired. 
 

2013, enter Chip, 10-6, division title, no playoff win. 
2014, 10-6, no playoffs. 
2015, Howie not in charge this season, 7-9, Chip fired. 
 

2016, Howie back in charge, 7-9, no playoffs. 
2017, Super Bowl champions, Howie rightfully named Exec of the year. 
2018, 9-7, one playoff win(very fortunate at that). 
2019, 9-7,division title, no playoff win. 
2020, 4-11-1, Doug fired. 
 

Where exactly does Howie have a history of keeping us in contention? I suppose we can go for a Texas Sharp Shooter fallacy and just focus on 2017-2019, but even as great as 2017 was, it was followed by two straight years on a downward trajectory, and prior to those 3 years, he had no history of sustained success. 

Look at your own analysis.

6 years of playoffs, 4 years of no playoffs, and of the 4 years of no playoffs one year was a 10 win season and 2 years were rebuild cycles.

That’s pretty good, especially considering the insane circumstances he had to deal with like Chip destroying the team he had built and his super bowl winning coach and #2 overall pick losing it in what should have been their prime.

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

Look at your own analysis.

6 years of playoffs, 4 years of no playoffs, and of the 4 years of no playoffs one year was a 10 win season and 2 years were rebuild cycles.

That’s pretty good, especially considering the insane circumstances he had to deal with like Chip destroying the team he had built and his super bowl winning coach and #2 overall pick losing it in what should have been their prime.

It’s also broken down by coach. At no time has he had sustained success, which is implied by your claim that we stay in contention longer.
 

Under Reid, in contention one season. Hardly sustained. 
 

Under Chip, at best, 2 seasons, and that’s being generous giving you 2014 which we didn’t make the playoffs. Hardly sustained. 
 

At best, you have a 3 year stretch under Doug, and that is taking into consideration we needed help getting in the playoffs with a 9-7 record, and won the worst division in football a year later, again with a 9-7 record. 
 

He hardly keeps us in contention for any considerable period of time. 
 

 

I can’t get past taking Reagor when Jefferson was there for the taking. To me that has far worse than taking JJAW instead of Metcalf.  If I believed that was a mistake not likely to be repeated I might feel differently.  But he has made way too many of those mistakes and I’m sure will continue to do so.  So regardless of how this season turns out, I still want him gone.  Unfortunately I don’t think it’ll happen any time soon.  

On 11/22/2021 at 2:55 PM, Diehardfan said:

They are Ben Simmons during the regular season as others have said. Looks great and gets people excited but that doesn't win in the playoffs.

I got Lamar and Kyler Murray in the SB.  Crow thou shall feast.

39 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I got Lamar and Kyler Murray in the SB.  Crow thou shall feast.

When asked before the season started, I said Packers Bills.  There really aren't any teams making a definitive statement that they are the team to beat right now ... could be a number of teams repping each conference.  

43 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I can’t get past taking Reagor when Jefferson was there for the taking. To me that has far worse than taking JJAW instead of Metcalf.  If I believed that was a mistake not likely to be repeated I might feel differently.  But he has made way too many of those mistakes and I’m sure will continue to do so.  So regardless of how this season turns out, I still want him gone.  Unfortunately I don’t think it’ll happen any time soon.  

I feel the same way, especially after watching the Vikings-Packers game last night.  Jefferson is simply sensational, and the Moss comparisons might not be far off.

This could not only the be the work mistake in Howie's career--a decision that will haunt him for years--but also the organization itself.  As, it could be worse than passing over Warren Sapp.  Time will tell.

2 hours ago, GoBirds2020 said:

His drafting vs our arch rival has been night and day. Night and f’ing day. And not in a good way. The Cowboys have a stacked team full of young drafted studs on defense while our defensive lynchpin is either a FA or a dude we drafted 9 f’ing years ago. 

BS. I‘ve heard that s— about them for years! And what have they won with all these studs? Nothing. And why? Because talent isn‘t everything when it comes to drafting. Character matters. A lesson they will never learn.

But hey, you can roll with your regular season fantasy points. I’ll be here when they fall flat on their faces with their stacked team full of young studs. 

2 hours ago, TEW said:

This is total revisionist history. LJ was the third OT taken and half the fan base wanted the DE/LB out of Oregon. Ertz and Goedert were second round picks which have a failure rate of over 50% league wide; Goedert especially was considered a high risk pick because of his school and competition.

And let’s be honest here — the overwhelming majority of NFL players are JAGs or busts. First round conversion rate is about 50% depending on how you define it, and from there you get an exponential curve of busts.

Howie drafts about average if you go by the numbers. But he’s really good at maneuvering and rebuilding, so unlike most teams we tend to stay in contention longer and have faster turnaround from rebuilds.

No, it is not revisionist history that everyone knew Johnson, Ertz and Goedert would be good players.  Sure, some fans wanted Jordan, most wanted a LT.  And  the issue with taking Goedert was why take a TE when they already had Ertz, but he was known to be a great starting TE prospect.  

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

I got Lamar and Kyler Murray in the SB.  Crow thou shall feast.

Actually, I won't give a flying F

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Can we pump the brakes on the 2017 he woulda won MVP if it wasn't for his stubborn refusal to protect himself stuff?  He appeared in 13 games of a 16 game season and got 2 votes, Todd Gurley got 8 and Brady got 40. The only measure of QB performance that season he headed Brady in was TD's, and that's still true if Brady's season had ended after 13 games.

 

 

No we can't. If he stayed healthy he wins. Him still having more TD didn't matter because he was hurt and people weren't voting for him at that point.

1 hour ago, Philthy Jawn said:

I feel the same way, especially after watching the Vikings-Packers game last night.  Jefferson is simply sensational, and the Moss comparisons might not be far off.

This could not only the be the work mistake in Howie's career--a decision that will haunt him for years--but also the organization itself.  As, it could be worse than passing over Warren Sapp.  Time will tell.

I'll never forget how excited I was when they moved up in that draft. I swore they were getting Sapp...that has to be the biggest draft day disappointment of my life. Harris and the fireman were bad, but when they traded up that high and passed on him...I was like who????