18 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I think we are overly deifying Peters.

That's what his coaches and teammates say about him.

10 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Kind of a mixed message to say don’t you think? Saying the kid still needs time to develop to me is a clear indication he’s not ready. I mentioned some other place that if he were ready at some point last season he should have took the job from Peters. That never happened. If he’s not ready now then one has to wonder if he ever will be ready. We aren’t talking about a 7th round feeler like Mialata. We are talking about a 1st round pick the Eagles traded up for.

Whatever they need to do to keep Wentz clean works for me.  They’re saying they’re going with Dillard so all the Peters chatter might just be TATE-bait but talk is cheap.  

2 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Whatever they need to do to keep Wentz clean works for me.  They’re saying they’re going with Dillard so all the Peters chatter might just be TATE-bait but talk is cheap.  

I don’t think we will know the full answer until we get closer to the season, but truthfully I would rather they go with Dillard than bring back Peters. At some point they have to find out if this kid can play or not. 

14 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think we will know the full answer until we get closer to the season, but truthfully I would rather they go with Dillard than bring back Peters. At some point they have to find out if this kid can play or not. 

Id agree. And this year I honestly think is about building for the future more than it is being a contender. 

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Id agree. And this year I honestly think is about building for the future more than it is being a contender. 

With all this talk about the cap issues and the rumors of the cap actually lowering this might be their last chance to make any kind of run for a while. We better hope Howie hit this draft out the park, because the free agent pool might be dried up for a while after this season. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

With all this talk about the cap issues and the rumors of the cap actually lowering this might be their last chance to make any kind of run for a while. We better hope Howie hit this draft out the park, because the free agent pool might be dried up for a while after this season. 

Every team would be in that situation though? And I mean I just don't see that happening. The players just signed a new CBA and then they lower the cap? Players would have to take big pay cuts. Are they going to do that?

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Every team would be in that situation though? And I mean I just don't see that happening. The players just signed a new CBA and then they lower the cap? Players would have to take big pay cuts. Are they going to do that?

I doubt the league would lower the cap and then make teams drop players they just signed or anything like that. I'm sure there will be exceptions and like you said maybe players take pay cuts. 

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Every team would be in that situation though? And I mean I just don't see that happening. The players just signed a new CBA and then they lower the cap? Players would have to take big pay cuts. Are they going to do that?

I keep reading and hearing people talk about it, and I have a hard time believing the players will willingly play more games and take less money so you might be right about that part, but even if the cap stays the same the Eagles are projected to be greatly over it. Howie is going to have to be pretty creative with salaries to keep the talent this team has. 

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I keep reading and hearing people talk about it, and I have a hard time believing the players will willingly play more games and take less money so you might be right about that part, but even if the cap stays the same the Eagles are projected to be greatly over it. Howie is going to have to be pretty creative with salaries to keep the talent this team has. 

Hence why Howie is keeping money to roll over. As long as the cap doesn't drop then I'm not worried about it. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hence why Howie is keeping money to roll over. As long as the cap doesn't drop then I'm not worried about it. 

Seems like no one has a full understanding of this cap stuff. From what I heard the Eagles can only roll over like 8 mil and they’re projected 50 mil over the cap. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Seems like no one has a full understanding of this cap stuff. From what I heard the Eagles can only roll over like 8 mil and they’re projected 50 mil over the cap. 

I've never understood it really. Some say you can roll over the full amount? But I'm not sure about that, doesn't seem quite right. But hey Howie does understand it so that's what really matters. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I've never understood it really. Some say you can roll over the full amount? But I'm not sure about that, doesn't seem quite right. But hey Howie does understand it so that's what really matters. 

I usually say leave it to Howie, cause he’ll figure it all out. I still think he will, but I doubt he can do that without dumping some players. 

We could always use Mr Offsides. Say what you will but the guy is good when he pays attention to the snap count .

On 5/25/2020 at 3:43 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Seems like no one has a full understanding of this cap stuff. From what I heard the Eagles can only roll over like 8 mil and they’re projected 50 mil over the cap. 

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to try to restructure some guys to take a bigger cap hit this year to reduce the hit next year? 

On 5/25/2020 at 6:03 PM, purephillyfan said:

We could always use Mr False Start. Say what you will but the guy is good when he pays attention to the snap count .

FYP

19 hours ago, nipples said:

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to try to restructure some guys to take a bigger cap hit this year to reduce the hit next year? 

They pretty much have doing that since Howie got back and pushing the cap hits back. At some point you have to pay the piper. Even looking at some of the contracts the Eagles could dump most of them have pretty much even cap savings. I don’t know how Howie is going to get out of this mess, but the cap is supposed to be his thing so I guess all we really can do is trust he will do his job. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

They pretty much have doing that since Howie got back and pushing the cap hits back. At some point you have to pay the piper. Even looking at some of the contracts the Eagles could dump most of them have pretty much even cap savings. I don’t know how Howie is going to get out of this mess, but the cap is supposed to be his thing so I guess all we really can do is trust he will do his job. 

Yeah I think that's the issue here, we've restructured and extended and shoved cap hits back a year or two in the expectation that the cap moves relentlessly upwards and now we've hit a year (and lets be honest it could be a couple of years) where ticket revenue is going to go through the floor and consequently the cap won't move to give us the anticipated room to absorb cap hits and also some of the big cap hits are on players of an age where you can't or wouldn't want to give them another couple of years back loaded extension.

There really isn't a magic to cap manipulation when the cap is going up all the time, it's just knowing what you've got to play with and kicking some cans down the road,  I worry we're about to find out the limits of Howie's cap 'skills', but then there will be a lot of teams in that situation.

5 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

There really isn't a magic to cap manipulation when the cap is going up all the time, it's just knowing what you've got to play with and kicking some cans down the road,  I worry we're about to find out the limits of Howie's cap 'skills', but then there will be a lot of teams in that situation.

I think unless you get hit with early or unexpected retirements you can continue to manage it by kicking cans down the road. It allows enough flexibility to make moves and continue to restructure year on year with different players. 

9 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Yeah I think that's the issue here, we've restructured and extended and shoved cap hits back a year or two in the expectation that the cap moves relentlessly upwards and now we've hit a year (and lets be honest it could be a couple of years) where ticket revenue is going to go through the floor and consequently the cap won't move to give us the anticipated room to absorb cap hits and also some of the big cap hits are on players of an age where you can't or wouldn't want to give them another couple of years back loaded extension.

There really isn't a magic to cap manipulation when the cap is going up all the time, it's just knowing what you've got to play with and kicking some cans down the road,  I worry we're about to find out the limits of Howie's cap 'skills', but then there will be a lot of teams in that situation.

They could be planning to absorb some hits this season in preparation for next season. Maybe that’s why they’re so reluctant to sign people right now? Don’t really know, just guessing, but the did acquire a lot of receivers and they’re paying a lot of money to some older injury prone guys at the position. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

They could be planning to absorb some hits this season in preparation for next season. Maybe that’s why they’re so reluctant to sign people right now? Don’t really know, just guessing, but the did acquire a lot of receivers and they’re paying a lot of money to some older injury prone guys at the position. 

I think Howie was counting on hitting on some draft picks to ease up down the road on the big spending on free agents and over paying some of our older vets  but that hasn't really worked out. If we hit on some more of those picks you can let some of those guys go like Graham and a few others

Former Eagle Julian Vandervelde on Jason Peters.  This is pretty much a main reason I think the Eagles would welcome JP back, every player we hear from says what a great teacher and mentor he is, even a veteran like Kelce says he always learns something from Peters.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/5/26/21269831/former-eagles-player-julian-vandervelde-chip-kelly-failings-value-jason-peters-philadelphia-podcast

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Vandervelde also played next to Jason Peters and was asked about whether or not the Eagles should bring him back.

"If he can’t walk, I’d still keep him on the team just to teach people and give people advice....I wasn’t even in his position and I learnt more about the NFL from him than anybody else or any experience ever taught me. Bring him back as long as he wants to.”

Vandervelde could not stop praising Peters as a mentor and a ‘coach’ type of figure. 

 

 

If the Eagles bring Peters back, this is part of why.  Squeeze out more mentoring and insights from a great player and help prepare Dillard and the other young lineman for the future.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

If the Eagles bring Peters back, this is part of why.  Squeeze out more mentoring and insights from a great player and help prepare Dillard and the other young lineman for the future.

Most people that oppose that thought feel that playing time is the best way to learn, prepare, and improve for the future. However, I think that is more true when circumstances dictate the move. If you are the better player but the team has a more experienced player they'd rather play, I think it slows down the development. In 1999, I feel like we wasted 9 weeks starting Doug Pederson over McNabb. McNabb had a lot to learn on a team that was at the bottom looking up. Pederson was an experienced veteran, but was not, IMO, the better player --- even on day 1. Reid was afraid to "throw McNabb to the wolves." 

 

If we were to bring back Peters, I still feel Peters is the better player. I'm not worried about Dillard's development while there is a better option on the team. We aren't bottom feeders trying to figure out the future. We know we're a playoff team right now and you have to do what's best for the team right now. If we choose not to bring back Peters, I'm all for throwing Dillard out there and letting him learn on the field since there won't be a better option on the team. 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Most people that oppose that thought feel that playing time is the best way to learn, prepare, and improve for the future. However, I think that is more true when circumstances dictate the move. If you are the better player but the team has a more experienced player they'd rather play, I think it slows down the development. In 1999, I feel like we wasted 9 weeks starting Doug Pederson over McNabb. McNabb had a lot to learn on a team that was at the bottom looking up. Pederson was an experienced veteran, but was not, IMO, the better player --- even on day 1. Reid was afraid to "throw McNabb to the wolves." 

 

If we were to bring back Peters, I still feel Peters is the better player. I'm not worried about Dillard's development while there is a better option on the team. We aren't bottom feeders trying to figure out the future. We know we're a playoff team right now and you have to do what's best for the team right now. If we choose not to bring back Peters, I'm all for throwing Dillard out there and letting him learn on the field since there won't be a better option on the team. 

I personally don't want Peters back, I thought Dillard should have remained starter last year to gain more experience.  It was clear the team wasn't going anywhere (they barely made the playoffs).

I'm discussing the TEAM's rationale.  I don't buy one bit that it means they don't have faith/trust in Dillard.  They love JP and they really like Dillard.  Dillard is the future, Doug made strong comments last week supporting Dillard.  Bringing JP back would just be them trying to get more out of him and the entire team loves him.  It's about JP not about Dillard.  

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I personally don't want Peters back, I thought Dillard should have remained starter last year to gain more experience.  It was clear the team wasn't going anywhere (they barely made the playoffs).

I'm discussing the TEAM's rationale.  I don't buy one bit that it means they don't have faith/trust in Dillard.  They love JP and they really like Dillard.  Dillard is the future, Doug made strong comments last week supporting Dillard.  Bringing JP back would just be them trying to get more out of him and the entire team loves him.  It's about JP not about Dillard.  

Barely making the playoffs is "making the playoffs." One can argue that the wildcard outcome could have been positive if Wentz didn't leave early with an injury. Even though that wasn't a hit that happened in the pocket, it does emphasize the importance of protecting the QB and thus playing the better players at each position on the O-line. I think we were all curious to see what would have happened in the divisional round had we won vs Seattle and activated DJax  who appeared ready to go. We only weren't "going anywhere" largely because of our season long struggles at WR. 

I'm with you on disagreeing with the narrative that the Eagles somehow feel Dillard won't pan out. Signing Peters would be an effort to put the best team possible out on the field. Obviously, my opinion of Peters rates him a little higher than yours and I don't think Dillard is ready to beat JP for the starting job. As a result, I'm not worried about Dillard's development in that situation.

 

15 hours ago, brkmsn said:

One can argue that the wildcard outcome could have been positive if Wentz didn't leave early with an injury.

Perhaps but I'm not sure why we say that with such confidence and assertion. He hadn't started that game on fire and we know Seattle has his number.